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So what exactly are 'we' going to do about our misogynist Prime Minister?

138 replies

beigebrownblue · 06/10/2021 21:15

Not that I expected anything different.
Howww.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/tottymeter-and-girly-swots-how-johnson-shows-women-respectwever this summary of his misogynist statements over the last couple of years is worth reading, I feel.

Why is he still in power? And which ones of your made the mistake of voting for him? (I didn't)

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BasiliskStare · 08/10/2021 19:06

@RhymesWithOrange Smile I am old and rarely in my life have I been so exercised about anything apart from now - self identification. Others can disagree with me - it is their right. But do not tell me having lived through decades of discrimination that I have to re - identify my self or take some chap's word for it he is a woman ( I precis - the argument is obviously more complex )
If someone can come up with a whole lot of policies which help women - great - but just at the moment - I think we are at a turning point and I am not voting for self identification . Just me and in the grand scheme of things it won't matter a button if no one agrees with me. But I have to vote as I feel.

I know there are other problems which others will feel more important, and obviously they must do that - but just one time - this is my opinion - I am only one vote so it probably won't matter any way - but it is my vote.

Iggly · 08/10/2021 19:09

At the end of the day I will never vote for the Tories. Ever.

They show themselves time and time again to be the party of the rich and they have little interest in creating a system which makes that wealth accessible to everyone, regardless of background.

They will pretend and lie and make people feel that they can too be conservative. But seriously, it’s more luck than actual real consistency in terms of doing well under the Tories.

Boris Johnson is just another Tory. It’s not the fact he’s Boris, it’s the fact he’s a Tory and this is how they behave.

LadyWithLapdog · 08/10/2021 19:12

@RhymesWithOrange I don’t slag off people, I just don’t understand how this single issue has become absolutely paramount when it’s a tiniest fraction of what happens in the real world. It’s just academically wanking IMO. Self indulgent navel gazing. Real issues are poverty, benefit cuts, cronyism, the total degradation of public discourse, racism, inequality and so on. I really don’t understand why this absolute dogma and obsession which I don’t come across in real life. (I have an anniversary and may not come back to this tonight, I’m not ignoring.)

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BasiliskStare · 08/10/2021 19:15

@Iggly - you see what I do not like is tribal politics - if you read what they are doing and make a choice - one thing - but to me saying I will never vote Tory or Labour or whatever is a bit closed mindedness . But your vote , your choice.

Furlough scheme ? - Did that not help people ? Look I have swung between the two - but I do at least try and understand what they are saying.

BasiliskStare · 08/10/2021 19:17

@LadyWithLapdog Happy Anniversary Flowers

Iggly · 08/10/2021 19:19

[quote BasiliskStare]@Iggly - you see what I do not like is tribal politics - if you read what they are doing and make a choice - one thing - but to me saying I will never vote Tory or Labour or whatever is a bit closed mindedness . But your vote , your choice.

Furlough scheme ? - Did that not help people ? Look I have swung between the two - but I do at least try and understand what they are saying.[/quote]
Because I’ve read the founding documents of the Conservative party and the works of those who’ve influenced the party.

I wanted to find out what they really stood for beyond the election manifestos!

I will also say I’d never vote for the BNP for the same reason.

LadyWithLapdog · 08/10/2021 19:21

@BasiliskStare thank you 😊 (PS but I’d never vote Tory, even if it makes me tribal, but I do appreciate your good wishes on a personal level :)

BasiliskStare · 08/10/2021 19:29

Ach to both @LadyWithLapdog & @Iggly - I have voted for many parties and in other elections ( so e.g. I voted Remain ) - it does not stop me being friendly to people who disagree with me . Best wishes to you both Flowers

BasiliskStare · 08/10/2021 19:31

@Iggly - you have me there - I know I could not vote for the BNP under any circumstances - I was talking about more normal parties.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/10/2021 00:36

Poor women and disabled women have the most to lose from self id. They are the most vulnerable and more likely to suffer the consequences of men identifying into women's spaces for nefarious intent.

Poor women and disabled women have the most to lose from a Tory government and their cheerleaders who punish, stigmatise and make life harder for them and their children right NOW. Most women in our prisons are there because of poverty, male violence and/or lack of mental health provision.Sad

I get that self ID is the most important issue to some feminists and I appreciate their awareness raising. But if they voted BJ's Tory party they should acknowledge that women are paying a hefty price.

If you left your sofa on a winter's evening to vote Tory you should own it and stop blaming others.

Blessex · 09/10/2021 03:20

@TooBigForMyBoots and that’s why it’s so depressing that Labour don’t get it. They are lacking critical thinking and intelligence They are following a very shallow and what they think is populist line. There is simply no debate that any sane person wants transgender people to live in peace, harmony and empathy. We are not anti transgender. The issue is when it become a readily available (self id) loophole to harm women when they are at their most vulnerable. The dinosaurs will roar. .

KeflavikAirport · 09/10/2021 08:16

They are the only major political party in the UK to never have a female leader

They have had two, Margaret Beckett and Harriet Harman. Interim, but leaders nonetheless.

KeflavikAirport · 09/10/2021 08:23

And no people are not viting Tory in huge drovrs. It's an optical illusion caused by fptp.

Iggly · 09/10/2021 08:24

[quote BasiliskStare]@Iggly - you have me there - I know I could not vote for the BNP under any circumstances - I was talking about more normal parties.[/quote]
I guess for me the same principle applies. Even “normal” parties have things which I cannot reconcile with. But I may change my mind with experience, who knows.

endofthelinefinally · 09/10/2021 08:51

Those poor women in prison are being locked up with convicted rapists. Under the current government.
There is nobody to vote for.

Piapiano · 09/10/2021 09:27

Labour think that a woman is just a feeling in a man's brain.

I can't vote for my own erasure, and I can't vote for a party that would massively increase the danger that all women would face in society.

LadyWithLapdog · 09/10/2021 09:29

I don’t understand the labour bashing on here. It just seems made up and exaggerated.

Iggly · 09/10/2021 09:29

@Piapiano

Labour think that a woman is just a feeling in a man's brain.

I can't vote for my own erasure, and I can't vote for a party that would massively increase the danger that all women would face in society.

The dangers are happening right now under our existing government.

That’s the worry. What the fuck do we do!?

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/10/2021 09:35

@LadyWithLapdog

I don’t understand the labour bashing on here. It just seems made up and exaggerated.
I think others feel that way about tory bashing

(Disclaimer……not intending to vote tory or labour)

LadyWithLapdog · 09/10/2021 09:42

Well the Tory bashing is justified. They’ve been in power for 10 while fucking years and they are responsible for the mess. But on threads like this, clearly about the current PM, it turns into what about Labour.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/10/2021 09:49

But on threads like this, clearly about the current PM, it turns into what about Labour

Oh yeah completely agree with this bit

Winds me right up…

MiladyBerserko · 09/10/2021 09:58

I also won't vote for a party that says a man can be a woman because he says so.

I have not voted Tory before but I wouldn't rule it out if they promised legislation to address this.

BubbleCoffee · 09/10/2021 10:46

I have voted for many parties and in other elections ( so e.g. I voted Remain ) - it does not stop me being friendly to people who disagree with me

Well said!

Lightisnotwhite · 09/10/2021 10:50

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

But on threads like this, clearly about the current PM, it turns into what about Labour

Oh yeah completely agree with this bit

Winds me right up…

The Op clearly asks why is Boris still PM and what are we going to do about it.

People are just stating that Labour are no better for women hence the Tory’s ( and BJ) still there. I guess members of the Tory party who voted him in couldn’t see a choice either?
Nothing lasts forever. He’ll be gone at some point.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/10/2021 11:26

The Op clearly asks why is Boris still PM and what are we going to do about it

Posters said ‘threads like this’

Thats pretty much all i was thinking about ….other threads 😀 (and id quite forgotten what thread i was on at the moment 😳)

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