Wayne Couzens experience in prison?

[faithfulbird20]

Obviously I don't care how he gets treated but do you think other prisoners are going to give him a tough time especially since he's ex police and especially since what he did?

I can defend Human rights where I like.

Sterling work you’re doing, your country needs you. Slow clap.

Night everyone.

Because I'm challenging the idea that removing human rights is OK??

I don’t think people want to hear it.

That isn't a reason to not tell them that they're wrong.
I can go for an easy life and pretend it doesn't matter or I can believe in human rights even for monstruous humans.

Enthusiasm for the baying mob is disgusting. Whether you want to hear it or not.

@MyPatronusIsACat

I am not defending his actions. He deserves his life long imprisonment.

However, i do not agree his human rights should be removed.

Because, where does it end?

When is it acceptable to remove human rights, and what is the line?

Tell me.

Why is it Okay, to remove his human rights as a rapist and murderer, but not the paedophile next door? Or is it ok to remove their rights too?
Ok, remove human rights from murderers, rapists and paedophiles. Now what? Where's the line??

[quote lolawasashowgirl]@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow what an utterly despicable thing to say. You really have shown yourself in your true light. What kind of person would imply I take pleasure from people's distress about the Sarah Everard case to defend their position? You know it is nothing to do with that whatsoever. I have simply defended my right to express my opinion and disagree with you. You really are the lowest of the low. For you to treat another woman on a discussion thread in such a way is an utter disgrace. [/quote]
I'm sorry you are misunderstanding my post, I said that I knew you weren't getting any pleasure from this. Perhaps my post was unclear, and you would be right that would be a despicable to say to someone you disagree with, no matter how strongly. But it is not what I said.

It was aimed at @00100001 who I do suspect of posting in very bad faith. And I don't think I'm the only person getting bad vibes from them.

00100001 You are quite right and thanks for saying this.

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

I am not posting in and faith.

I am saying that human rights should apply to all humans. Otherwise how is it a human right?

Honestly, some people are wilfully misinterpreting what I'm saying. I am not defending his actions, not once have I done that.

I am saying that removal of human rights is disgraceful and an abomination.

@faithfulbird20

Obviously I don't care how he gets treated but do you think other prisoners are going to give him a tough time especially since he's ex police and especially since what he did?

They will put him in solitary wing like they did with Ian Huntley

He will never see the world again. He will have no purpose

I know this is a bit of an aside, but how does the human brain process the fact that you will have no freedom again for the rest of your life? Never go outside, walk along the beach, lie on the grass in the sunshine?

How does the human brain deal with that? I think I would lose my sanity almost immediately faced with a whole life in prison. But then my sanity must be in question anyway if I had done these things.

I dont have sympathy for him, losing his liberty is absolutely the punishment he deserves for what he has done.

I'm just curious in an abstract sort of way by how people deal with this, how people deal with such extremes. He's still got 30, 40 years left, is he just left to go slowly insane through loss of freedom or are you helped in some way to come to terms with it and find some sort of purpose in life? I have no idea.

I’ve read through the thread. Many people have stopped responding and certain posters are becoming desperate to keep the conversation going seeming to enjoy peoples upset. Don’t bite.

@SuperstarDog

I really think everyone is better not engaging with this thread, at least with certain posters. I’m not going to anymore. I hope everyone is ok, especially cricketmum84.

Thank you ❤️

I can’t comprehend why Couzens did what he did. But surely as a serving police officer he knew he’d get caught at some point?
Sorry, going off topic.

But he’ll stay in a Cat A prison and in a high security unit. He’ll be classed as high risk.

Teaandakitkat

I’m more concerned with how Sarah parents, siblings, other family and friends process the fact that Sarah will never do those things again.

I watched a documentary that I think Ross Kemp did at Belmarsh where there is a prison within a prison. I wondered if he’d be put in there.

He’s on remand in belmarsh

Couzens is category A he can be sent to one of the 7 category A prisons

Hopefully some posters have been deleted or at least gone to bed dreaming of human rights. 🙄

I imagine he will have a fairly good idea of how Sarah felt soon. Incarcerated, unable to escape and full of paralysing fear at the certain knowledge of her fate.

@EspressoDoubleShot

He’s on remand in belmarsh

I wasn’t aware of that but could have googled. I remember they said in the documentary that it was the worst convicted offenders that were housed in there. From memory Ian Huntley is or was in there.

He’ll probably get moved around every few years. There are as another poster said, 7 category A prisons in the country.
Full Sutton, Long Lartin, Wakefield

I think that when a person commits such heinous crimes, which are premeditated and involve brutal violence and murder, they forfeit any entitlement to human rights. It's a pity we don't have the death penalty for crimes like this, because a) they don't deserve to live and b) it costs a fortune to keep such people in prison for years, and the money could be better spent on other things.

Years ago, some innocent people were hanged/executed due to confessions given under duress and/or mistakes with investigations and/or false evidence, so I understand why people say they don't want the death penalty returned, because innocent people could end up being executed. However, with modern detection methods such as DNA testing and CCTV everywhere, it's possible to get evidence so that nobody is left in doubt that the conviction is sound. So, if the death penalty were to be applied in cases like this one, the historical concerns about sentencing innocent people to death are no longer relevant.

LizzieSiddal: He’s not mentally ill otherwise this would have come out at his sentencing.

00100001: Well, what motivated a perfectly sane person to do this??

In the context of patriarchy, Couzens's actions seem sane in the same way that the actions of a honey bee seem sane when it stings an invading hornet to protect the hive even though using its sting will kill it. Couzen's actions had the effect of protecting and reinforcing patriarchy, the evidence is all the renewed bullshit advice for women on how to avoid rape and murder by further restricting our actions. That he ended up in prison himself was collateral. Of course, he didn't consciously murder Sarah "for the patriarchy" any more than a bee thinks consciously of the hive, he acted according to his conditioned misogyny (literally, the hatred of women), a desire for power over a woman as a proxy for women as a class, and the feeling of entitlement sufficient to take it. Under patriarchy, men like Couzens are a feature not a bug: a small number of men (Lisak and Miller (2002) suggest ~6%) have to be conditioned to hate us enough to rape us, and a smaller number to murder us, to perpetuate patriarchy.

Men like Couzens are the kamikaze pilots of patriarchy, they "take one for the team" to keep women in line for men as a class. Elliot Rodgers and similar MRA/incel murderers can be thought of in the same way. You may remember that within days of Rodgers's Isla Vista attack, MRAs were saying publicly that more men would kill women unless women started having sex with submitting to rape by incels.

The actions of Couzens serve to keep women as a class subservient to men as a class, by reminding us of what happens if we try to exist in public or try to say "no" to men's demands.

• When we are too scared to walk home from work and quit our jobs, that job vacancy is freed up for men.
• It's easier for men to abuse us in the home if we are too scared to leave in case we end up like Sarah, "better the devil you know".
• All this "don't walk alone", "don't drink", etc serves to restrict women's movements and so makes more space in bars, workplaces, education, everywhere for men.
• If we are scared that "no" to sex will prompt beating or murder, we say "yes" and open our legs even when we don't want to.

You might have a look at some second-wave feminist literature. Dworkin and Morgan both explain this stuff.

I'm right with anyone supporting human rights, when it comes to innocent everyday people having a safe warm home, clean air to breathe, fresh water to drink, and a safe haven from harm and peril

The whole point about human rights is that apply to ALL humans, as lovely or as horrible as they are.

I bet you would not be so keen to defend this vile cunt if the lass that he killed had been your sister/daughter/mother

The logic of of this means you would change your tune if you were related to Couzens.