Why is no-one mentioning violent pornography and Wayne Couzans?

[deadleaves]

I've been listening to the 'how did this happen' coverage and no-one is offering up as part of the explanation that he was a big fan of 'brutal pornography.'

If men wank off to women being brutalised that is inevitably going to lead to some of those men going to act out the violent fantasies which porn has now hardwired into their neural pathways as arousing.

If blatantly violent racist films were mainstream no-one would be surprised that racism increased, and I am sure all commentators would feel comfortable making this point.

But when sexualised violence against women in mainstream why are we pretending this isn't one of the contributory factors to brutal crimes like this?

@dreamingbohemian

I think it normalises certain acts, but it's very difficult to create a desire that does not exist in the first place.

Porn is a commodity, and like any other commodity in a capitalist society, of course you can create desires that did not previously exist. Especially when you can put huge amounts of product on the internet for people to access instantly.

There would not be any trends in any part of society fashion, makeup, hair, food if it wasn't possible to create new desires in people.

My question still stands. If you can CONSCIOUSLY and arbitrarily create desires within a population, why leave yourself open for backlash by choosing to create "abusive" pornography, especially in our current social climate?

Because there is no real backlash?

The people who create and share violent porn have no consequences

The online sites who post it get at most a slap on the wrist

The government doesn't care

There is an audience for violent porn and no real disincentive for providing them with content

Exactly, there is no real backlash.

I doubt there has been a deliberate strategy 40 year strategy in the porn industry to achieve the goal of the hideous state of porn today.
But there has been a move to create ' more extreme' porn as people got used to what was already on offer. And if your starting base is prioritising male pleasure and dominance over women, what direction do you go in? More dominance.
And nothing really stands in the way, because the only people complaining are feminists and the only people suffering the effects of violent porn are women and girls. And no-one is really caring much about that. Not when men's hard-ons are at stake.

As we grow, we learn from the people and influences around us, we see other people doing things, we observe their reactions and we internalise what we see. The fashion example is a great one, in the victorian era, those that had money, wore elaborate uncomfortable dresses and others copied it, people who in another era would have worn flowery shirts, platforms and flares in the 1960's, power suits in the 1980's and crop tops and ridiculously high waisted jeans these days. They would all have scoffed at the other's choices but are influenced by what they see around them.

We are moulded from what we see and when we see and hear messages around us that don't make us comfortable, we try to work out what is wrong with us, rather than what is wrong with the things we are seeing. Much of adolescence is about working out what our feelings are and there is a lot of time spent feeling 'wrong'. Teenage curiosity used to be fed by porn magazines and exploring sexual boundaries with other similarly inexperienced teenagers, now they can see so much on the internet and they become conditioned to think this is normal. This also happens to adults. I think of the fact that people send pictures of their dicks to other people that they don't know intimately. This is so far from the experiences I had growing up in my teens and 20's.

Advertising and marketing is all about creating a need for something that people do not currently have a need for. We didn't need to be constantly connected to hundreds of other people, all day, every day but look what social media has done to the world.

It is a short step from there to, we didn't need to have violence in a sexual relationship for it to be satisfying, but now this is much more part of the sexual experience of many young people.

We live in a time where we have actual Influencers.
It's nothing covert, they openly do their job which is INFLUENCING PEOPLE.
Still people are insisting that porn doesn't influence?
Naive or wilfully blind.

[quote ChateauMargaux]@Antinerak You said "Many people watch violent porn or have questionable kinks but they don't act upon their interests."

There is ample evidence that this is not the case and in fact that many women experience unwanted violence during, what began as consensual sex.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-50546184

This is not the kind of sex that I experienced when I was sexually active with numerous partners in my late teens and early twenties and it was not the experience of my friends.[/quote]
Kink is very different to sexual assault and rape. That's why I said 'don't act upon their interests' i.e. they don't rape someone because they're kinky. People can be kinky and not rapists.

But violent sex is violent.. normalisation of violent sex leads to women dying and men getting off on the defence of 'sex game gone wrong' and other men thinking violent sex where women are harmed is fair game, boys thinking violent sex is normal and girls being coerced into it.

Baffling me, too. Weren’t Ian Huntley and Mark Bridger also into extreme pornography? They were paedophiles, but such extreme experiences are normalised.

There isn't any violent porn on pornhubs homepage for example. The biggest site. Claims that there are really isn't helpful, it's just barking up the wrong tree. It's a misinformed opinion from people who have a blanket dislike of all sexual content

I've been thinking of this claim from PP compared to what I found by googling Porn hub violent pornography and getting this as the first hit.

ABUSEME - Excellent Collection of Aggressive Pornographywww.pornhub.com › view_video
24 Jun 2021 — Watch ABUSEME - Excellent Collection Of Aggressive Pornography on Pornhub.com

This just goes to show that people who want to pretend that the international porn industry is just harmless adult fun will cling to any thin disguise the porn industry comes up with, in this case (apparently) pornhub not having links to rape on their home page. But its easy as piss to find this stuff. Took me literally seconds.
I remember an interview where a spokesperson from porn hub was challenged about selling rape porn and their response was just that it is a very popular genre. But porn hub is not only facilitating rape/violent porn, they are clearly marketing it. I got that first google hit because they are marketing it; they even have create d a 'catchy' marketing title for the genre ' AbuseMe', a title with the clear message - 'its okay men - she's asking for it!'

So yes, PP that is porn hub, world's biggest porn provider, openly marketing aggressive, abusive porn to the world's men.

Sites providing such content are doing so because it's what men seem to want to view. It's all related to the hours now spent online and the easy access to anything and everything. The porn they start with stops working. They search something slightly more extreme, the algorithm recognises that men are searching for this stuff, so it's created for them and then it escalates.

Maybe men have always had an interest in such violence towards women, but content like that just wasn't available. Now it is available and has permeated normal society.

People in consenting relationships trying different things is completely different to watching two strangers doing it. There are no boundaries. I imagine men feel zero emotions towards the women on screen, they cease to be real and are simply a vehicle to be used.

Regarding the point that this would be impossible to stop. They already ban gambling sites in certain countries. If people wanted it, those websites could be banned.

Blue - absolutely. Although they can’t fully 100% stop access, they have made an effort to crack down on child pornography - which is much less common than violent porn. Basically - they can do it if society wants it and provides funding.

Sites providing such content are doing so because it's what men seem to want to view

I just don't agree that it is multi-national porn companies are merely reflecting demand. If so, they would be the only multi-national company that merely reflects demand rather than creating demand to maximise profits.

@deadleaves So who is creating the demand then?

@deadleaves Sorry, that was poorly worded. What I meant was, why is there such a demand for violent content?

Human behaviour is malleable. It can be influenced in many directions.
The international porn industry is influencing boys/men's sexual behaviour towards violence towards women. Look at all the reports from young women of experiences of young men acting in aggressive ways that women my generation never/ rarely experienced (unless someone was actually trying to rape/ assault you). That's the influence of porn.

Of course there are other cultural influences on men's behaviour but there does seem to be a change in sexual expectations and that has come directly from porn and we wouldn't have seen without aggressive internet porn. Its a major influencer.

Sorry, haven't rttwt but I can't believe anyone would deny this link.

Ted bundy in his last interview stated that it was his love of violent pornography that was a major factor in his depraved acts.

It's not rocket science to see the link really is it.