Previously undecided voters would you vote for Starmer's Labour now?

[VinylQueen]

Are there any previously Tory voters or undecided voters who would now consider voting Labour in a GE based on Kier Starmer's speech and him taking on the far left of the party?

I vote Labour anyway but I'm interested if any of his speech "cut through" as they say. To my eyes the main heckler just came across like a complete loony and made Kier Starmer's stance look even more sensible.

Not a chance.

Not since I realised that antisemitism was ingrained in the party (I'm not Jewish, but will never vote for that). I hoped Starmer would rid Labour of antisemitism - and I think he tried - but unfortunately I don't think he can.

Then they threw women under the bus. I do have a cervix, and suddenly that same contempt and bigotry within the Labour Party are aimed at me.

The party will need to change fundamentally before it will ever get my vote again.

I think he's done a great job with rooting out antisemitism. The moment they welcomed back Dame Louise Ellmam at the conference was really moving, and no way would she have rejoined if she didn't think Starmer was the real deal.

Don't respect my sex? You don't get my X.

I’ve just read the link to the SDP website, and I will be taking my vote there.
They know what a woman is and aren’t afraid to put it into their manifesto. They believe in protecting sex based rights.

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham

I'm not voting for a party whose MPs are on record saying that men can gain a cervix with certain procedures and hormones, that babies are born without a sex, that women are not entitled to single sex spaces, or that male rapists should go to a women's prison if they want to.

The women's rights issue is important to me but it has uncovered something far wider - that these people will come out with the most stupid, ridiculous insulting horseshit in order to keep a specific ideology going, even when that ideology itself is clearly built on sand. These MPs are clever people, of course they don't believe any of what they are saying, but they will keep saying it, lest the dogma be undermined.

It's quite scary really, and not what I want from people who reckon they can lead the country.

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The women's rights issue is important to me but it has uncovered something far wider - that these people will come out with the most stupid, ridiculous insulting horseshit in order to keep a specific ideology going

Agreed. People will do far worse things in the name of an ideology than they would for mere selfishness. History has shown us that.

We don't have one. Maybe I will become one!

SDP that is!

No.

I'm not a member of any political party and have never been. I've voted Green, Labour, and SNP in the past. I'm less likely to vote Labour now than I was a week ago, and I'm really sorry to say that because the UK relies on a robust opposition to the party of government and Labour is still best placed to be/lead that opposition. However, we haven't had that from Labour in 5+ years. Starmer, or another leader, needs to actually LEAD - not just his party, but combined opposition forces. And Labour MUST get a handle on their out of control misogyny and homophobia.

For those who think women's rights are safe with the Conservatives. The Justice Secretary who has previously complained about "what a raw deal men are getting" now thinks misogyny can "apply to abuse against either women or men"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/dominic-raab-confuses-meaning-of-misogyny-in-bbc-interview.

[quote elodie77]For those who think women's rights are safe with the Conservatives. The Justice Secretary who has previously complained about "what a raw deal men are getting" now thinks misogyny can "apply to abuse against either women or men"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/dominic-raab-confuses-meaning-of-misogyny-in-bbc-interview.[/quote]
And Carrie Johnson is very pally with Stonewall.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/carrie-johnson-urges-tories-to-back-transgender-rights

[quote elodie77]For those who think women's rights are safe with the Conservatives. The Justice Secretary who has previously complained about "what a raw deal men are getting" now thinks misogyny can "apply to abuse against either women or men"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/dominic-raab-confuses-meaning-of-misogyny-in-bbc-interview.[/quote]
I don't think they are safe with the tories but that at present women's rights are under more threat from labour.

Also not voting Labour doesn't = voting tory

I don't think they are safe with the tories but that at present women's rights are under more threat from labour. Simply not true. Inform yourself of Con/Labour policies.

Also not voting Labour doesn't = voting tory

Your vote will be wasted essentially as only one or the other can win.

Simply not true. Inform yourself of Con/Labour policies.

What makes you think I haven't already done this and come to the view that Labour policy is currently more harmful to women.

Your vote will be wasted essentially as only one or the other can win.

That is on Labour, not me. I won't be guilt tripped.

Carrie Johnson is the prime minister's wife. She can't make policy. As far as I know, the conservatives are not championing self I'd, which is the biggest threat to women's spaces, sports etc.

To be honest I probably will vote conservative to keep labour out because I can't trust a party that comes out with such claptrap to represent me.

Also it will piss off all the 'you are stupid if you don't vote as I say' crowd on here.

I'll probably vote conservative for that reason alone.

No.

I'm in a safe tory seat so it wont make a difference anyhow.

What makes you think I haven't already done this and come to the view that Labour policy is currently more harmful to women.

Because if you had you would know that Conservatives policies are detrimental to the everyday lives of women, from (anti-feminist) Dominic Raab rejecting the idea that misogyny is a hate crime; failure to make progress on closing the gender pay gap; "underfunding of 'free’ childcare and minimum wage rises which will push nursery prices up and potentially cause closures, according to an independent analysis"; "Boris Johnson was one of the 305 MPs who voted against cutting the tampon tax in 2015, causing the the Financial Bill amendment to be rejected"; to Boris Johnson on women in university: "Women go to university 'to find men to marry'".

Carrie Johnson is the prime minister's wife. She can't make policy

Don’t be naïve; she already decides who works
in number 10.

And yet, they are still better than labour.

What does that tell you?

Labour need people not voting for them if they fail to represent 51% of the population. That's kind of how voting works. Tribal voting for virtue signalling provides absolutely no motivation for parties to make life better for their constituents.

And yet, they are still better than labour.

How?

I'm not saying she doesn't have influence.
But the difference between labour and conservatives is that she might influence policy.

Whereas the non cervix labour crowd definitely will.
Stop polishing your turd. It doesn't make it more appetising. It does make you look desperate though.
If you are that desperate for me to change my mind, write to labour about how their policies are losing votes yourself. It's their job to have policies and visions in place that make me feel they are up to the job. It's not my job to vote for them just because I'm lower middle class.

No one is owed a vote. They earn it.

@BelleOfTheProvince

I'm not saying she doesn't have influence. But the difference between labour and conservatives is that she might influence policy.

Whereas the non cervix labour crowd definitely will.
Stop polishing your turd. It doesn't make it more appetising. It does make you look desperate though.
If you are that desperate for me to change my mind, write to labour about how their policies are losing votes yourself. It's their job to have policies and visions in place that make me feel they are up to the job. It's not my job to vote for them just because I'm lower middle class.

No one is owed a vote. They earn it.

I don’t give a flying fuck who you vote for. I’m just telling you some facts.

Because labour are actively dismantling women's safeguarding, giving away women's roles within their party to men and bullying a woman who knows women have a cervix.

I'm not voting for them. You can imply I'm thick as much as you like, but I know that women are vulnerable based on their biology and the importance to maintain safeguarding.
I also know that you can't grow a fucking cervix so that makes me more intelligent than most of the clowns you are defending.

I've got to admit, I used to be a tribal voter. Now I'm a floater I can see how sneering and sanctimonious labour tribal voters come across. I hope I was never as bad, but I suspect I might have been.

No sale. It's my line in the sand. I repeat, don't like it, alert the party and get them to change course. Good luck with that.

Hell would have to freeze over before I handed my vote to a party that denies the existence of women and girls as a sex class

Nero and his fiddle.

A Daily Mail reader on Boris's speech

Dominic Raab rejecting the idea that misogyny is a hate crime
Hate crime and in particular hate incidents should be abolished, and replaced. it doesn't work, and is being abused ironically by people trying to silence women who speak about women's rights.

failure to make progress on closing the gender pay gap
How do you continue to measure that if people like pip bunce are included in the female data.

Boris Johnson was one of the 305 MPs who voted against cutting the tampon tax in 2015 it wasn't a vote on removing the tax it was a vote on whether to set out a plan to negotiate this with other EU states as at the time it needed agreement from every EU state. The tax was abolished under a tory government on 1st January.

Boris Johnson on women in university: "Women go to university 'to find men to marry'".
every party has its idiots Lisa Nandy thinks rapists should be housed in prison according to there gender identity. I think that is more harmful to women