So he got the dogs out and left the people behind?!

[Sillysuzie]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/30/britain-dogs-afghan-people-pen-farthing

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Oh yes because another celebrity putting their pennies worth is just what we need.

Give me fucking strength.

If the temperature is too warm/cold for humans in the hold, how is it humane for animals?

@RedToothBrush - Jan Leeming is an ambassador for animal charities so why shouldn’t she want to support this one.

Yes, who needs experts when we have animal rights supporting celebs to listen to?

@KeflavikAirport

If the temperature is too warm/cold for humans in the hold, how is it humane for animals?

Im still trying to work this one out...

quarantine has confirmed that the cats and dogs already have homes waiting for them

Dare I suggest... That makes them... pets?

@KeflavikAirport

Yes, who needs experts when we have animal rights supporting celebs to listen to?

The vets supporting nowzad could perhaps respond to your questions, if you ask them. Dr Iain McGill is one of them. Here's his twitter page. I'm sure he won't mind if you ask .

twitter.com/IainTime/status/1433059969339953157

It's not really. Which is why some dogs/cats come off long haul flights in a pretty bad way, dehydrated and too hot.

Cold I suppose isn't too much of a bother as they have fur coats and can withstand colder temperatures. But again not ideal.

I'm not saying the hold is great for animals, I'm just saying it's not safe for humans. One could argue it's not safe for animals equally and I wouldn't disagree.

An expert in international crisis management, humanitarian aid and military rescue missions is he? A true renaissance man.

Completely agree with @RedToothBrush and this insane desire to categorise people as good or bad with no grey areas in between. Mr Farthing has undoubtedly improved the lot of animals in Afghanistan and has created jobs for people in his shelters.

But despite doing those good deeds, he is still a person who can make bloody awful decisions and make poor judgement calls. This time he got it wrong. He delayed leaving in the hope he could leave with ALL of his staff and ALL of his animals. As the situation deteriorated and it became increasingly unlikely that was going to happen, he didn't stop, reassess and make new plans - he ploughed on with his original objective. Got increasingly ranty and shouty, blamed everyone else.

He can be both a caring individual who wants to make the world a better place, and a poor decision maker who made the wrong call.

@KeflavikAirport

quarantine has confirmed that the cats and dogs already have homes waiting for them

Dare I suggest... That makes them... pets?

Don't say the P word, it infuriates folk but..yes

'The vets supporting nowzad could perhaps respond to your questions, if you ask them. Dr Iain McGill is one of them. Here's his twitter page. I'm sure he won't mind if you ask .'

Iain McGill tweeted he was 'partying' i believe last week as they had got the go ahead to leave. As always, totally tone deaf considering the dire straits they were leaving other people in. Thought you'd 'left the thread' Doodle due to alleged lies aka other people's views and opinions?

@KeflavikAirport

An expert in international crisis management, humanitarian aid and military rescue missions is he? A true renaissance man.

You asked this: If the temperature is too warm/cold for humans in the hold, how is it humane for animals?

I simply suggested you ask one of the vets who supports nowzad . I've supplied a link to his twitter account. If you're not really interested in the answer to your question, that is, of course, your prerogative.

Also, McGill talks about the 'execution' of geronimo. A staggeringly insensitive word to use to describe an animal being euthanised in view of reported executions in Afghanistan. Have these people no self awareness at all?!

@Janiiejones

Bye now.

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Oh are you going again?

@PwySyddYma

It's not really. Which is why some dogs/cats come off long haul flights in a pretty bad way, dehydrated and too hot.

Cold I suppose isn't too much of a bother as they have fur coats and can withstand colder temperatures. But again not ideal.

I'm not saying the hold is great for animals, I'm just saying it's not safe for humans. One could argue it's not safe for animals equally and I wouldn't disagree.

You know that Ben Wallace authorised the MoD to throw the rule book out the window and transported over 400 people on military aircraft and were technically 'over capacity' and 'unsafe' at any other time.

My point being that 'unsafe' is not necessarily unsafe in a situation which jas reached crisis point.

The MoD will always try and function within certain parameters because of duty of care to service personnel. At this point the duty of care issue had shifted to civilians in dire need who it was felt took precidence over stricter h&s rules under the circumstances.

Having a margin of comfort for normal operations gives a degree which could be used in this situation.

It is far from ideal but shows where things ended up in those final transports out.

'Of course your life has stopped has it?'

Nope but their whole high profile Twitter campaign has been excruciatingly insensitive, the abuse and blame its all been staggering to witness. You don't tweet you're 'partying', you recognise the serious of the situation and just stfu until people get out.

Meanwhile thousands without voices queued up in sewerage filled ditches.

Sorry @Doodlebug71 we were talking at cross purposes, my comment on experts was about Jan Leeming.

'Bullying behaviour isn’t nice JJ.'

I'm sorry if saying 'are you leaving again' is bullying. Please report and if will be deleted.

But weren't those people on a Atlas or a Globemaster for transport out? The MOD transport planes are different the entire fuselage of the plane is multifunctional and doesn't have the same issues of the cargo hold of a civilian aircraft. So overloading it or putting people in the "hold" isn't quite the same, so whilst unsafe compared to civilian aviation there's more leeway. You'll often see pictures of personnel crammed on to the floor of a military aircraft for evacuation. Again not ideal but doable.

I agree with you though, dire times call for dire measures and changes to operational standards.