Central Park Karen

[CanIPleaseHaveOne]

Did anyone come across this? It is really worth listening to.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

It’s what it represents @FTMF30. It’s sexist and possibly ageist. It’s said to dismiss a woman from having a point of view. I’ve been called a Karen (when the person saying it thought I was out of earshot) for complaining to a shop at leaving an elderly man waiting outside in the rain instead of letting him inside the doorway. Perfectly valid complaint I’d hope any decent person would make. But because I’m in my 50’s and a woman I’m automatically a bad tempered person looking to have an unjustified moan. Interestingly, when a passing man also spoke up, they let the waiting man in. A Karen is a moaner, ignore her. That’s the message the younger generation have got.

I’m not suggesting it’s comparable to racism, I’d take your word for it that it’s not, but it’s what’s in my sphere of experience.

I posted on the last thread , and I will repeat what I said:

This woman was threatened by a man, (he said himself he deliberately acted and said threatening things) is it ok for men to act like this around lone women in secluded places because she has reactions which we don’t like ?

Wow, this thread is eye-opening and really quite depressing

Hi Amy
Thanks for your post. Could you summarise the podcast because let's face it who is going to listen to a 1 hr 20 podcast about this? It's very American and dramatic.

I find it hard to believe that there is a perfectly innocent explanation to your behaviour on that day, which was the same day George Floyd died, but you have sat on it for a year and instead went into hiding.

I'm guessing you've employed a PR team to try and get you out of this fix? I'm guessing your interviewer was black too to make it seem more plausible?

Anyway, please do summarise and I will let you know my thoughts.

PS I think the Karen thing has complicated matters and you will get people on here focussing on that instead, which is a bad move. Or maybe the PR people did that on purpose because they're hoping you'll get the feminists on board.

I wonder how many posts on this thread will address the issue of racism and how many will focus on the use of the name Karen. (I can guess, if previous MN threads are anything to go by.)

I wish so called feminists would consider the effects racism has on black women's lives to the same level they consider the effect a silly name has on a white woman’s feelings.

@Makhiaman

I wish so called feminists would consider the effects racism has on black women's lives to the same level they consider the effect a silly name has on a white woman’s feelings.

This!!! In spades.

@Eorks

Ahem. Correction.

…hoping you'll get the (certain type of) white feminists on board.

@Makhiaman

I wish so called feminists would consider the effects racism has on black women's lives to the same level they consider the effect a silly name has on a white woman’s feelings.

Nah. Apparently they can't focus on things that don't affect them. A PP literally said that, bold as anything

[quote JingsMahBucket]@Eorks

Ahem. Correction.

…hoping you'll get the (certain type of) white feminists on board.[/quote]
True, Jings. I apologise for my oversight

@aerosocks

I'm sick and tired of people using a pefectly nice name as an offensive sexist insult.

Just don't do it.

Yep this 👆 To be honest I assume people that do it are dim witted and ignorant. It wouldn’t matter what else they had to say, once they use “Karen” I switch off as they can’t have anything intelligent to say.

We each consider what we experience @Makhiaman. I realise that may be disappointing but I’m being honest. A close work colleague experienced racism. She felt she couldn’t speak out, so I did in her stead and the racist manager left. I will call out any unacceptable behaviour when I’m confronted with it. But the truth is I won’t go looking for it.

OP why have you posted about this AGAIN?

I’m being honest @Eorks. I think the majority of people fight causes that directly affect them. I can’t fight for everything

@FeatheredHope

OP why have you posted about this AGAIN?

Because she's Amy Copper and she is in hiding and is probably a bit fed up

FGS, Christian Cooper did not threaten Amy Cooper. And he has been quite gracious toward her, more so than I would have been in his shoes.

And now she pretends that she had no alternative but to call the police. What a lowlife she is. What a racist coward.

To be honest I assume people that do it are dim witted and ignorant. It wouldn’t matter what else they had to say, once they use “Karen” I switch off as they can’t have anything intelligent to say.

Even if they can't help using it because it is the title of the podcast being discussed in the thread @MissyB1?

I’m finding out that Mumsnet is apparently a hotbed for this and Mumsnet does nothing to address this exclusionary and problematic behaviour but will actively intervene and shut down other minor stuff.

She's trying to creat a new narrative of the story because she doesn't like the negative backlash that came towards her.
The simple truth is she displayed racist behaviour towards a man based on the colour of his skin and the size of her ego.
People who later regret their actions so they try to change the gravity of the situation to gain sympathy and hope people will now after some time has passed say maybe it wasn't so bad when in actuality it really was.
A man asked her to put her dog on a leash in an area dogs should be leashed & she proceeded to scream and shout a black man is threatening me, no amount of her wallowing on a podcast will change that.

For what it’s worth, my view is the woman in Central Park is an abject racist. As racist as the poster on the previous thread who gave her credit for being a polite racist.

@Hivis

I’m being honest *@Eorks*. I think the majority of people fight causes that directly affect them. I can’t fight for everything

Cool. That's why so many black women have distanced themselves from 'feminism'. You care so much about just your rights that you're willing to overlook racism and go with whoever helps your cause.

I understand and don’t blame them @Eorks. But I don’t overlook racism. I tackle it when personally confronted with it. But I’m not an activist

I'm not singling you out Hivis. It's a collective 'you'.

@Hivis

I understand and don’t blame them *@Eorks*. But I don’t overlook racism. I tackle it when personally confronted with it. But I’m not an activist

Cross posted with you. That's great if you do