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Queen and Meghan and harry

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Pixxie7 · 23/08/2021 04:47

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

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SpindleWhorl · 28/08/2021 12:34

The Queen promoted Andrew to Vice Admiral after all the Epstein stuff broke. She rewarded him for his boorish behaviour. Appalling

I think this goes to the nub of it for me, and explains why my respect for her has withered. She didn't just support him, like Cameron did, she actively honoured him.

These are not the actions of a clear-headed Head of State and it's worrying.

And who pressured Cameron, the then Prime Minister, to issue words of support ten years ago?

How much kompromat is there?? Who's using who?

Polkadots2021 · 28/08/2021 12:36

@Pixxie7

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.
Anything to defend Price Andrew by the looks of it.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 12:42

The Queen promoted Andrew to Vice Admiral after all the Epstein stuff broke. She rewarded him for his boorish behaviour
Appalling

Glad you noticed that too, and yes, appalling indeed
As with the infamous horse ride, a classic example of the two fingered salute, with a hefty dose of "How dare the common oiks presume to criticise us"

I'm reminded of the Annus Horribilis speech ("No institution - City, Monarchy, whatever - should expect to be free from the scrutiny ..."). Forget the alleged "tear choked voice" which was later said to be smoke inhaltion plus a cold - every bit of body language suggested to me that she'd realised she had to say something but didn't mean a word of it

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CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 12:44

A trivial example really, but speaking of Edward the ghastly Royal Knockout's another thing that could have been reined in with a single phone call, and yet another opportunity which was lost

The only reference I can find in relation to why that mammoth misjudgement was made is Penny Junor claiming HMQ 'disliked confrontation' Confused

Very strange to allow it when everyone but Edward could see it was a PR disaster in the making and when you consider she had a documentary she disliked permanently pulled for the same reason.

Interestingly a lot of commentators link 'It's A Royal Knockout' to the start of the modern crumbling of the 'magic' of monarchy.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 12:45

Yes Spindle she did actively honour him. That's the whole thing. Talk about reading the room wrong.
No different to when she actively took Andrew to church with her just a matter of days after the Maitlis interview. If that's not rubberstamping his behaviour, I don't know what is.

And actually... when I saw the pictures of him and her driving to church at that point in time... that was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I have been quite the royalist in the past, but little by little stuff has happened and I became more wary and cynical about them... and that church visit was it for me.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 12:52

But Cathy you have to admit that Edward's strop out of a press briefing was absolutely hilarious, worth it just for that!

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 12:53

It was the best bit Grin

SpindleWhorl · 28/08/2021 12:56

Edward had a tantrum after It's A Royal Knockout, didn't he? Stormed out of the presser? Stormed out at the lack of interest and deference?

Maybe he and Andrew are simply what we used to call 'spoiled', and their mother doesn't like confronting them because they'll have or threaten tantrums. I can quite picture it in Andrew. Very unedifying.

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 12:59

Edward's tantrum for any who may not have seen it before:

Never grows old.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 13:02

Hahaha... indeed!

The one thing we do know about the RF. They cant crack a good joke. Polite laughter just doesn't wash!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 13:03

Funny, isn't it, that we all have something that tips the scales too far? It doesn't even have to be anything catastrophic - just one little thing added to existing doubts can be enough to swing it

Then there's Charles, who could fill a forum on his own
Anyone else remember (Now we're going back!!) the visit to broken down Scottish crofts with Selina Scott, where he whined that the prior residents - now enjoying cosy bungalows - had forsaken the benefits of living on the land?

Easy to say, though, when you live in insensate splendour and your idea of roughing it is camping in the Kalahari with a pervert ... another pervert, that is, though unlike Peter Ball at least he didn't provide that one with a house

SpindleWhorl · 28/08/2021 13:08

Charles certainly likes his 'eccentric' mentors.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 13:17

Puzzled I'm going to look that one up!

It is almost like having your eyes opened after many years of being brainwashed or in a cult. We've all grown up with this daily diet of royalty, we know no different. But then a few things happen and you think "hang on... is this fair, is this right?" and the incidents build up and you start to look into it a bit more, but you still have this idea that it's all harmless and we only pay 67p a year of them, and all these people love them etc etc..

But then something else happens and you actually think "my god, this really really is not right" so you look into it and question it.

Then along comes endless reports about Andrew, his ex wife, his selling of the house for £4M more than what was asked for it,, to some dodgy kaziksthan oligarch, and then we get Epstein and all of that...
And the voices within the RF are not loud enough condemning events... in fact the Queen thinks bad behaviour is all OK and makes favourite son a Vice Admiral

That's it really...
Sorry, that was a ramble.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 13:19

Charles certainly likes his 'eccentric' mentors

He certainly does. Apparently the Q doesn't like the word 'pregnancy', she prefers 'in the family way'

I imagine the RF don't like the word 'paedophile' either. They'd prefer 'in the Mountbatten way'

Grin
CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 13:22

Charles certainly likes his 'eccentric' mentors.

Yep.

Marriage counselling and cosy dinners from Jimmy Savile whose antics were an open secret even then?

Why not?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 15:33

I imagine the RF don't like the word 'paedophile' either. They'd prefer 'in the Mountbatten way'

I know that thing about "spitting your tea out" is silly, but I just came damned close to it!! Grin

And yes, IME it's the reading into things that does the damage. The RF just about get away with it when things stay at the level of waving silly little flags and cooing "Ooooo isn't she lovely" , but beyond that lie shoal waters

ancientgran · 28/08/2021 15:36

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I imagine the RF don't like the word 'paedophile' either. They'd prefer 'in the Mountbatten way'

I know that thing about "spitting your tea out" is silly, but I just came damned close to it!! Grin

And yes, IME it's the reading into things that does the damage. The RF just about get away with it when things stay at the level of waving silly little flags and cooing "Ooooo isn't she lovely" , but beyond that lie shoal waters

They probably don't like it but they probably do know what it means.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 15:57

They probably don't like (the word paedophile) but they probably do know what it means

Well, they do now, given their two eldest sons' taste for associating with them ... unless of course they've chosen to stick their heads in the sand over that too Hmm

Roussette · 28/08/2021 16:52

They probably don't like it but they probably do know what it means

I should bloody well hope they do! My comment was meant as a joke!

I don't understand the 'they probably don't like it' bit at all. I presume you mean they find it all a bit unsavoury (said in cut glass accent)

ancientgran · 28/08/2021 18:41

@Puzzledandpissedoff

They probably don't like (the word paedophile) but they probably do know what it means

Well, they do now, given their two eldest sons' taste for associating with them ... unless of course they've chosen to stick their heads in the sand over that too Hmm

It's used on here all the time about PA and a 17 year old. Trafficking/raping etc is very bad but if the victim is 17 it isn't paedophilia.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 18:50

Very true, ancientgran; however my post wasn't referencing Charles and Andrew's own activities, but who they choose to associate with

ancientgran · 28/08/2021 19:02

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Very true, ancientgran; however my post wasn't referencing Charles and Andrew's own activities, but who they choose to associate with
And my post was about the RF knowing what the word means when many on here don't.
KidneyBeans · 30/08/2021 09:07

@Blossomtoes

It's a shame it doesn't mean raising her sons to not consort with sex offenders and to cooperate with the justice system. Priorities eh?

I really wish you’d stop this. Since when do we blame mothers for their kids’ crimes? Are you going to tell the mother of a mass murderer or a serial rapist or a drug dealer it’s her fault? I’m pretty sure we all know families where one of the kids has turned out to be a wrong ‘un while the others haven’t.

Fair it's not her fault they've chosen to consort with sex offenders

It is her fault that she's allowed them to host sex offenders in royal residences, engage with a sex offender whilst the UK's trade envoy and assists her son accused of sex offences to avoid cooperating with the justice system and insist he keeps his military titles despite his behaviour.

Those are her personal choices and seem to be in direct conflict with her duties as head of state

Blossomtoes · 30/08/2021 09:15

None of which has anything to do with how she’s raised them @KidneyBeans. You could have an argument in an empty room.

KidneyBeans · 30/08/2021 09:19

@Blossomtoes

None of which has anything to do with how she’s raised them *@KidneyBeans*. You could have an argument in an empty room.
So you're saying she has nothing to do with who is invited to royal residences, how her sons behave in their roles as serving royals, in promoting Andrew after knowing he was pals with a sex offender or in insisting Andrew retains his military titles despite an investigation for sex offences?

Do you really believe the Queen and head of state is so powerless? And that the media reporting about her choices is so inaccurate? What's your basis for that?

Please do educate me