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Queen and Meghan and harry

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Pixxie7 · 23/08/2021 04:47

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

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MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 10:51

But it’s not a normal job and not a normal family business is it? The Queen is our head of state, she is the mother of our country. Asking her to abdicate would be like asking someone to stop being a mother. Some ageist comments on here, I am proud to have her as our Queen.
I do really wish she’d do something about PA though…..!!

Roussette · 28/08/2021 10:54

Absolutely Mummy not normal at all. Not sure she is the mother of our country though, and bear in mind other European Heads of State have abdicated when older in favour of the next in line.

I don't think this discussion is ageist. I am old and pick up on ageism very swiftly as I hate it

Blossomtoes · 28/08/2021 11:00

It's a shame it doesn't mean raising her sons to not consort with sex offenders and to cooperate with the justice system. Priorities eh?

I really wish you’d stop this. Since when do we blame mothers for their kids’ crimes? Are you going to tell the mother of a mass murderer or a serial rapist or a drug dealer it’s her fault? I’m pretty sure we all know families where one of the kids has turned out to be a wrong ‘un while the others haven’t.

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CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 11:13

It's a shame it doesn't mean raising her sons to not consort with sex offenders and to cooperate with the justice system

I think they managed that all by themselves.

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 11:17

But it’s not a normal job and not a normal family business is it?

No. It's a racket.

she is the mother of our country

It's really too early to be overdosing on the saccharine.

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:22

It’s how I see it and a genuine view @CathyorClaire so keep it friendly and respectful. No need for nasty and unnecessary comments, I don’t deserve it.

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 11:32

I meant for me but can I ask what makes you see the over- privileged head of an over- privileged unelected family that way?

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:40

She is great ambassador for this country and has given most of her life to serving it. She has sacrificed a huge amount and has mainly just tried to do the right thing for us.
She has given this country stability in the most turbulent times and she deserves more respect than she gets from some. So you might only be concerned about privilege but I wouldn’t and couldn’t do what she has done and continues to do for this country. Every day. Regards of the privilege.

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 11:50

How do you reconcile all this with the lobbying in her own interests, the ducking and diving to minimise her tax liabilities, the secrecy around finances and the exemption of the royal household from FOI requests?

Roussette · 28/08/2021 11:54

I don't doubt she's well respected Mummy. She is feted and adored by many including the majority of the media.
I'm just not sure what she is doing on a daily basis, given she's a 95 year old woman.
And I do have criticism of how she has handled PA in the past. He's abused his position for decades, and all I've seen is for instance 20 years ago...'the Queen is concerned' ... that was with his r/ship with Epstein and his position as Trade envoy.

He needed reining in back then and she didn't do it.

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:56

Your views and opinions are yours. I respect them but I don’t think we are ever going to agree. I could spend a lot of time on here but I have things to do today! I think I would be wasting time to persuade you from your entrenched opinions on things. With all due respect.

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:56

That was not to you Roussette Smile

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:57

Although I hugely respect your opinions

Roussette · 28/08/2021 11:57

I do think on these threads, sometimes we have to agree to disagree Smile

MummyJ12 · 28/08/2021 11:57

I certainly agree with you both on PA!

Blossomtoes · 28/08/2021 11:59

He needed reining in back then and she didn't do it

How many of us “rein in” our 40 year old kids? Seriously? I don’t know about yours but mine would tell me to mind my own business if I attempted it.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 12:04

Since when do we blame mothers for their kids’ crimes?

We don't - at least, not for the crimes themselves as they're the offender's doing - but we certainly blame those who enable criminality

It's not an easy comparison to make since most mothers aren't in a position to meddle with our legal system, but one way and another the Queen's kids get away with a lot and always they pop back up with a smile on their faces, often a new "decoration" from mummy and their expectation of deference intact

Roussette · 28/08/2021 12:08

How many of us “rein in” our 40 year old kids? Seriously? I don’t know about yours but mine would tell me to mind my own business if I attempted it

I take issue with this. Of course she could! As has been pointed out here continually, she is the Head of State, she can do what she wants! Just saying she was a bit concerned is not enough. How come then... if Andrew would just tell her to mind her own business... how come he stepped down from royal duties?
That won't have been his decision. It will have been hers.
This is a unique family business. She's in charge. She could have told him that the adverse publicity he was continually getting in his role as Trade envoy meant he should step down.
She can remove titles, give titles, she can decide what is said to the great british public, and what isn't.
Of course she could rein him in.

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 12:11

He needed reining in back then and she didn't do it.

The problem might have been what to do with him if he was sacked. Demotion wouldn't have been an option and he wasn't brought up to earn his own living anyway. Basically the eternal royal heirs and spares conundrum.

It's definitely come back to bite her on the arse now though.

Roussette · 28/08/2021 12:14

often a new "decoration" from mummy and their expectation of deference intact

This with knobs on.

The Queen promoted Andrew to Vice Admiral after all the Epstein stuff broke. She rewarded him for his boorish behaviour.
Appalling

Why2why · 28/08/2021 12:16

@MummyJ12

She is great ambassador for this country and has given most of her life to serving it. She has sacrificed a huge amount and has mainly just tried to do the right thing for us. She has given this country stability in the most turbulent times and she deserves more respect than she gets from some. So you might only be concerned about privilege but I wouldn’t and couldn’t do what she has done and continues to do for this country. Every day. Regards of the privilege.
I genuinely do not know what the Queen actually does that can be classed as great service to the country or the Commonwealth.

Even if she is serving, she is remunerated handsomely for it. When I go to work and do my job, no one sees my efforts as service worthy of being honoured. After all, I get paid for it.

Given the taxpayers monies that fund the service, can we truly believe the vast sums given to the Queen reflects this service she gives?

CathyorClaire · 28/08/2021 12:21

The Queen promoted Andrew to Vice Admiral after all the Epstein stuff broke.

And who could forget the reports of the 'demands' to wear the Admiral gongs and baubles he was due to be presented with for his 60th at Philip's funeral?

Why2why · 28/08/2021 12:21

@stairway

The Queen’s position is more similar to the Popes though, in that she believes it is God given and she is duty bound to full fill it to her dying day.
She believes that, does she? I’m very concerned if that’s the case. I’d question her mental capabilities to lead if she genuinely believes such a nonsensical fairytale.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2021 12:22

The problem might have been what to do with him if he was sacked

Same as with the largely useless Edward; stick him in a mansion, line up a few more titles (including "honorary" military ones) and some really good PR to lend undeserved credibility and hope to god he doesn't do any more to scare the horses

A trivial example really, but speaking of Edward the ghastly Royal Knockout's another thing that could have been reined in with a single phone call, and yet another opportunity which was lost

Roussette · 28/08/2021 12:32

And who could forget the reports of the 'demands' to wear the Admiral gongs and baubles he was due to be presented with for his 60th at Philip's funeral?

Absolutely. He will have been really pissed off to only be Vice Admiral, as opposed to Admiral. He got the Vice bit for his 55th birthday, and was due to be made Admiral on his 60th. At least the Queen had the sense not to do that one, bad enough the Vice Admiral nonsense when he was a disgrace even then.

I think Andrew typifies the very very worst of the RF. Far far worse than anything Harry has done, as far as I'm concerned.

Andrew takes and never gives, and his sense of entitlement and his arrogance is breathtaking.
Harry's a bit of a twerp at times but Andrew is in another league. And Ive said it before (klaxon warning... unpopular view coming up lol) ..
I think the Andrew effect is far more damaging than anything H&M have done or are doing.

Phew...

Disclaimer. just my opinion!