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Queen and Meghan and harry

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Pixxie7 · 23/08/2021 04:47

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

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DottyHarmer · 25/08/2021 18:34

Just returning to the Harry giving 5% to charity…. really reminded me of mil who so ce said, “Every week I make a donation to charity.” I was, “Eh?” knowing mil to be just about the most parsimonious person on the planet. “Yes,” she replies, “Every Friday I put a green token in the Waitrose boxes.” Aaaaaggghh !!

Seems like the same as M&H raising some funds and then claiming to be generously donating to whatever cause, when actually it’s, say, Roussette who put her hand in her pocket.

Marmaladeagain · 25/08/2021 18:56

sorry it's so challenging Grin. H&M do not get special dispensation. No-one trusts them, why would you trust someone that sells their family out like that?

It may have blown your mind to realise that you wouldn't respect that behaviour in anyone else (the idea of Chelsea employing Scobie and sharing regular updates on her thoughts) Sorry, but that's how daft H&M look to most people.

Roussette · 25/08/2021 19:09

Yes exceedingly challenging talking about Presidents children and all of that... but no worries, I won't lose sleep over it, I just can't waste head space on daft comparisons!

Mind hasn't blown, don't fret! And I don't consider they sold their family out. Your mind might be blown by that fact! Lots on MN and elsewhere feel the same as me shock horror!

You calling them names and writing massive rants about them in every which way possible will really not change my mind. As your mind won't be changed by me, so probably best left. Because you and I won't get anywhere on this.
Smile

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

KidneyBeans · 25/08/2021 21:39

@Marmaladeagain

would you support a serving Presiden'ts child making a career out of badmouthing their family and thinking they should make grand statements on political events etc. Grandfather dying etc - not sure what's so difficult to understand - would you think they're a great person. I think I know the answer. You wouldn't, who would Grin
It's odd because you clearly do. You've listed in a previous post all of the activities Harry and Meghan have been involved in in the last 7 days. I had no idea about any of that because I'm not that bothered about them, but you clearly do follow their activities, click on news articles, check social media or whatever it might be.

All those clicks generate revenue for H&M and increase the likelihood of them being in the news. You're literally supporting them and their presence in the media

It's odd considering you dislike them so much

Marmaladeagain · 25/08/2021 22:01

that's right kidney they're funny and the thread contains all the info. I'm a consumer of the product they sell (themselves) some find them funny (me) and some actually take them seriously.

Most don't care either way - apparently you're one of those that don't care, but popping over to ask me ask why I post about a couple that endlessly make PR disasters and the hypocricy amuses me - that's much more odd IMO. Not sure why you'd care what I post.

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 06:42

@Marmaladeagain

that's right kidney they're funny and the thread contains all the info. I'm a consumer of the product they sell (themselves) some find them funny (me) and some actually take them seriously.

Most don't care either way - apparently you're one of those that don't care, but popping over to ask me ask why I post about a couple that endlessly make PR disasters and the hypocricy amuses me - that's much more odd IMO. Not sure why you'd care what I post.

Because I'm interested in human behaviour and I find the online criticism of strangers you don't know odd

I also find the hypocrisy of complaining about H&M in the media, when much of that media interest is actually driven by folk like you who dislike them, puzzling

Most of this 'problem' is created by the people who dislike H&M - they are in the media precisely because you support the media that features them.

I find it interesting that they are blamed for a situation that is driven by a large part by the public who dislikes them enough to read about them, talk about them, start threads about them etc. It's a classic 'love to hate' scenario.

It's not something I've ever experienced, so I find it interesting that people complain about this situation when in reality it's perfectly possible to live your life without constant exposure to them.

So why choose to support celebrities that you don't like?

BringBackThinEyebrows · 26/08/2021 09:45

@KidneyBeans

So by your logic, your online criticism of Prince Andrew is 'odd' because you don't know him.

The media interest surrounding Harry is driven by the connection to the Royal Family more than anything. It's quite a unique situation where someone who has grown up in the Royal Family, probably never had to sign a NDA, is willing to share private information about his own family. Marmaladeagain didn't make Prince Harry famous.

People have complained about overexposure, e.g. Piers Morgan featuring on several TV shows, paid to write articles, frequently trending online. But if they wanted to analyse and criticise something Piers said, they're welcome to do that too while saying they're sick of him. That's not "supporting a celebrity you don't like", that's "discussing the news".

I don't believe for a moment you've never been aware of public figures being discussed and criticised online.

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 10:10

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@KidneyBeans

So by your logic, your online criticism of Prince Andrew is 'odd' because you don't know him.

The media interest surrounding Harry is driven by the connection to the Royal Family more than anything. It's quite a unique situation where someone who has grown up in the Royal Family, probably never had to sign a NDA, is willing to share private information about his own family. Marmaladeagain didn't make Prince Harry famous.

People have complained about overexposure, e.g. Piers Morgan featuring on several TV shows, paid to write articles, frequently trending online. But if they wanted to analyse and criticise something Piers said, they're welcome to do that too while saying they're sick of him. That's not "supporting a celebrity you don't like", that's "discussing the news".

I don't believe for a moment you've never been aware of public figures being discussed and criticised online.[/quote]
So by your logic, your online criticism of Prince Andrew is 'odd' because you don't know him.

Not at all, because a preponderance of evidence exists in the case of PA that doesn't exist with M&H. I haven't said that knowing someone directly is the only way of forming a judgement about someone. However I do think forming a judgement based only on insubstantial news reporting by the Royal Rota is an inherently flawed approach, and that continued engagement with that reporting sustains the problem of 'overexposure' that seems to upset the very people that create it.

There is clear evidence that PA has been long term friends with a convicted sex abuser and fraternised with trafficked women. I don't need to know him to interpret that evidence and form a judgement.

I don't put H&M's media overexposure (largely driven by the people who criticise them) in the same category. I see no clear evidence of them making similar poor choices or consorting with criminals in the same way. So to me those situations are very different.

Fascinating that you'd think they are equivalent though!

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 10:13

I don't believe for a moment you've never been aware of public figures being discussed and criticised online.

I don't understand this? Confused

Of course I'm aware of it.
We're on a thread discussing it

What I said was that I'm wasn't aware of H&M's specific activities as detailed by Marmalade. It is perfectly possible to avoid them if they annoy you, and if you choose to engage in their overexposure then you are essentially supporting that overexposure.

CathyorClaire · 26/08/2021 10:14

I can understand clicking on stories about them pushes them up the news agenda but I can't see how it generates revenue directly for them. Anyone explain?

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 10:17

@CathyorClaire

I can understand clicking on stories about them pushes them up the news agenda but I can't see how it generates revenue directly for them. Anyone explain?
Because the more publicity they get the more people will buy books/merchandise (even if it's just to criticise them), the more likely they'll be offered tv/podcast/interview slots, and advertising/endorsement deals.

If no one was interested in them there would be zero market for them to generate revenue.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 26/08/2021 10:30

@KidneyBeans

Because I'm interested in human behaviour and I find the online criticism of strangers you don't know odd

That was your quote that I responded to. I used the example of Prince Andrew because I know you have been critical about him online. I assumed Prince Andrew is a stranger to you, though my statement is incorrect if you do know Prince Andrew personally.

CathyorClaire · 26/08/2021 10:39

Because the more publicity they get the more people will buy books/merchandise (even if it's just to criticise them), the more likely they'll be offered tv/podcast/interview slots, and advertising/endorsement deals.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

For a minute there I thought they were on commission which wouldn't surprise me Grin

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 10:39

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@KidneyBeans

Because I'm interested in human behaviour and I find the online criticism of strangers you don't know odd

That was your quote that I responded to. I used the example of Prince Andrew because I know you have been critical about him online. I assumed Prince Andrew is a stranger to you, though my statement is incorrect if you do know Prince Andrew personally.[/quote]
Ok well now that I've expanded my point more fully I hope that my position is clearer.

I find the online criticism of M&H odd when there's no clear evidence of wrongdoing and the criticism mostly serves to fuel the problem (overexposure) that people criticise them for.

I don't think the same applies to PA.

Marmaladeagain · 26/08/2021 11:02

Kidney: if you’re still struggling - Basil Fawlty - you realise people didn’t like the character, but they found him very funny? So I assume you are being disingenuous.

Basil was a very unpleasant character but he foolishly thought it was everyone else at fault. To those that spot hypocrisy they’ll understand that sentence but I appreciate you will say can’t understand etc

There are the constituent parts for a great new comedy in fact. We even have Basil’s sidekick Manuel the front of house/waiter character in the form of Scobie. Looks ever so surprised to always be getting in trouble although doing exactly what was asked.Grin

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 11:22

@Marmaladeagain

Kidney: if you’re still struggling - Basil Fawlty - you realise people didn’t like the character, but they found him very funny? So I assume you are being disingenuous.

Basil was a very unpleasant character but he foolishly thought it was everyone else at fault. To those that spot hypocrisy they’ll understand that sentence but I appreciate you will say can’t understand etc

There are the constituent parts for a great new comedy in fact. We even have Basil’s sidekick Manuel the front of house/waiter character in the form of Scobie. Looks ever so surprised to always be getting in trouble although doing exactly what was asked.Grin

Right so you're criticising them because you think H&M are a comedy duo?

Takes all sorts I guess 🤷‍♀️

AnnunciataZ · 26/08/2021 11:29

Scobie is a bit ridiculous but I don't think he's any better or worse than most royal reporters. Who were the ones who gave damning verdicts on the Oprah interview without even watching it first?

He seems to be H&M's go-to reporter but that's nothing new - the royals have always had their pet reporters. Diana had Richard Kay (or is it Key?), Charles has Penny Junor.

DottyHarmer · 26/08/2021 11:30

Well, what was that video of them then with Harry juggling outside the window if it wasn’t meant to be comedy?!

Marmaladeagain · 26/08/2021 11:45

@DottyHarmer

Well, what was that video of them then with Harry juggling outside the window if it wasn’t meant to be comedy?!
true, but as with all good comedy, unintended consequences are much finnier than the attempts at intended comedy.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/08/2021 11:49

Scobie is a bit ridiculous ...

A BIT ridiculous?? I agree he's one of a crowd, but even so he conspires to stand out (and I'd be more comfortable if anyone actually knew who he is beyond "a reporter for Harpurs and Queen")

Check out his Instagram if you can stand it; it's short on detail, but crammed with poses showcasing his phone, his trainers, his watch, his designer bag and his hideous designer dog - all of which he seems to believe enhance what passes for his credibility

MummyJ12 · 26/08/2021 11:50

I tend not to post on threads like this anymore because there are such entrenched opinions on MN and I often don’t feel like I can contribute constructively. However! Apparently the story has stemmed from Harry writing and releasing this book.
It’s just all very sad. I’m not sure what his intentions are with it. No one does and I think that is the issue. He has people worried that there is more mud slinging ahead. It’s taking the spotlight from a more pressing issue which is dealing with PA that’s for sure.
Harry needs to start focusing on the future and look more positively ahead. He has so much to be thankful for rather than complaining and being angry. Whether or not he means to feed the press frenzy and poke the beast doesn’t matter, he seems to and it’s a shame.

KidneyBeans · 26/08/2021 11:58

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Scobie is a bit ridiculous ...

A BIT ridiculous?? I agree he's one of a crowd, but even so he conspires to stand out (and I'd be more comfortable if anyone actually knew who he is beyond "a reporter for Harpurs and Queen")

Check out his Instagram if you can stand it; it's short on detail, but crammed with poses showcasing his phone, his trainers, his watch, his designer bag and his hideous designer dog - all of which he seems to believe enhance what passes for his credibility

And that's my point. Whilst ever critics 'feed' the activity by promoting the social media of the people they criticise. Those people will continue with the activity that draws the attention.

It's self-fulfilling

Roussette · 26/08/2021 12:10

For those that need 'comedy' in their lives and are insisting that H&M are... I have lots of recommendations!

Who were the ones who gave damning verdicts on the Oprah interview without even watching it first?

Yep.
Dickie Arbiter
Ingrid Seward
CNN's Victoria Arbiter
and Richard Fitzwilliams.

Deceitful liars who heavily criticised H&M interview without having seen it, totally judgemental.

They talked about Meghan's involvement in Balham donkey sanctuary FFS!

They made themselves look like the fools they are.

AnnunciataZ · 26/08/2021 12:17

Crikey @Roussette, I don't know who the last two are but Arbiter and Seward have been around for decades and should've known better!

Roussette · 26/08/2021 12:20

I would've wished it to be Nicholas Witchell instead of one of the more unknown ones... even the RF can't stand him!