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Queen and Meghan and harry

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Pixxie7 · 23/08/2021 04:47

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

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Roussette · 25/08/2021 11:54

Exactly!

Anyone who doesn't dislike H&M are called fangirls, stans, bots, shills, and then insulted in all sorts of ways. On another thread we were called 'poor old dears'. I did laugh at that one!

BringBackThinEyebrows · 25/08/2021 11:54

@Samcro

What does PA's (Prince Andrew?) and "the other side" mean?

I think a rule about not accusing people of hate/being a hater would be very clear.

Samcro · 25/08/2021 11:56

PA'S = PERSONAL ATTACKS

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Roussette · 25/08/2021 11:57

Are you saying she isn't estranged from most of her family and now he is estranged from most of his? I think that is a bit of a pattern

Personally I don't like to diagnose people having 'a bit of a pattern' over the internet, having read parts of Stately Homes. Families are complex.

On the career in politics, at the time it was brought up, there was nothing on it. I think a poster threw that in as a way of having a go at her.

Roussette · 25/08/2021 11:59

I think a rule about not accusing people of hate/being a hater would be very clear.

Could we also apply this to those that don't dislike H&M? I've been called all sorts of names a lot.

Marmaladeagain · 25/08/2021 11:59

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@Samcro

What does PA's (Prince Andrew?) and "the other side" mean?

I think a rule about not accusing people of hate/being a hater would be very clear.[/quote]
indeed well said it is all some contributions consist of too. "hate" is not the same as being called a "bot" etc that's dismissing someone's contribution and receiving that accusation a lot myself.

However, the "hate" tag is way beyond boring and no-one even responds and the posters saying it are just left there looking daft in the midle of the room. All well and good, except shall we move on from the word "hate". It's a ridiculous word to continually use on a grown-up forum Grin

Roussette · 25/08/2021 12:01

The attacks against other posters are entirely one way

Oh purleeeease. A few days ago, there was any number of deleted posts on an H&M thread after horrible insults to me, that the poster kept repeating.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 25/08/2021 12:06

@Samcro

PA'S = PERSONAL ATTACKS
Thanks. I assume 'other side' means people who hold a different opinion (correct me if I'm wrong).

Seems like people need to agree to a clean slate, stick within agreed rules, and keep threads relevant and respectful. Discussion about Prince Harry isn't going to stop.

Marmaladeagain · 25/08/2021 12:10

It is one way: the posts deleted above are people asking why Rousette posts so much. However, there are then several posters saying others should stop posting on H&M threads if H&M's actions annoy them.

They're not deleted so not a personal attack when it comes the other way.

Anyway enough derailing as that's the objective. I'll report my post to MN and ask this question.

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to agree to an end to the playground accusations of saying people hate and they should stop posting on H&M threads.

Roussette · 25/08/2021 12:16

Marmalade I am talking about the other H&M thread, not this one. It was endless. I haven't been on there for days and days because of it. The posts were repeated and deleted a number of times.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/08/2021 12:19

I think that Prince Harry makes loads of money for the press and many headlines about him are designed as clickbait to get people rolling their eyes

Ain't that the truth, and nearly always with some rubbish about "a senior source" Hmm
It's also why some of us try to stick with what they've actually said or done themselves, rather than what some rag claims - or at least present an opinion as just that, rather than a fact

Not sure what the "What have they done's? " are about though, with "recently" now tagged on for good luck. I'd have thought the Oprah and South Africa interviews quite enough on their own, and had anyone on here posted similar about a family member, I really don't imagine folk would say "It was x weeks/months ago, but have they done anything recently?"

Blossomtoes · 25/08/2021 12:20

@Roussette

The attacks against other posters are entirely one way

Oh purleeeease. A few days ago, there was any number of deleted posts on an H&M thread after horrible insults to me, that the poster kept repeating.

Too true. It’s an absolutely ludicrous contention.
KidneyBeans · 25/08/2021 12:38

@Marmaladeagain

Sorry, I'm a little confused isn't accusing others of "hate" a personal attack? It goes on and on but is the elephant in the room on these threads. The attacks against other posters are entirely one way perhaps MN could explain why continually saying other posters are "haters" and turning up on threads to say the same thing to those posters isn't considered personal attack? It's tiresom and designed to derail threads - being asked why we discuss people that want to only receive positive PR is perfectly valid when it's at the expense of using the UK as the backdrop to their "Finding Freedom" etc.
I specifically used the term 'the H&M hate-club' as it is non-personal and doesn't signify a specific poster so no it's a casual descriptor rather than a personal attack. Hate probably is too strong a word but the I don't think suggesting they should STFU, carry the blame for being reported in the press when they haven't actually said anything etc is very nice either.

I apologise if my 'shorthand' personally offended anyone who identified with the term I used.

KidneyBeans · 25/08/2021 12:39

@Samcro

PA'S = PERSONAL ATTACKS
That's confusing
ancientgran · 25/08/2021 12:39

@Roussette

Are you saying she isn't estranged from most of her family and now he is estranged from most of his? I think that is a bit of a pattern

Personally I don't like to diagnose people having 'a bit of a pattern' over the internet, having read parts of Stately Homes. Families are complex.

On the career in politics, at the time it was brought up, there was nothing on it. I think a poster threw that in as a way of having a go at her.

It isn't an illness so I don't think it is a diagnosis it is an observation on something happening more than once. Families are complex but you still haven't said if you agree she is estranged from most of her family and since marrying her Harry is now appears to be estranged from most of his? When you read the Stately Homes threads does anyone ever think if someone seems to have an issue with various groups then maybe they have the problem and not the other groups? Might be true in this case but it might not, the thing is it is possible.

You seem quite willing to make judgements about her family but very reluctant to accept anything H&M do might be an issue and want to criticise others for making judgements.

Why would saying someone has ambitions to be a politician be having a go at someone? There's nothing wrong with having political amibitions, it isn't a negative. We need politicians and more than that we need politicians with various views so that one challenges the other so although I have no idea what political view Meghan has I think if she wants to go into politics then that is laudable, it is a tough business. They're not saying she has ambitions to be a bank robber or terrorist.

KidneyBeans · 25/08/2021 12:41

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think that Prince Harry makes loads of money for the press and many headlines about him are designed as clickbait to get people rolling their eyes

Ain't that the truth, and nearly always with some rubbish about "a senior source" Hmm
It's also why some of us try to stick with what they've actually said or done themselves, rather than what some rag claims - or at least present an opinion as just that, rather than a fact

Not sure what the "What have they done's? " are about though, with "recently" now tagged on for good luck. I'd have thought the Oprah and South Africa interviews quite enough on their own, and had anyone on here posted similar about a family member, I really don't imagine folk would say "It was x weeks/months ago, but have they done anything recently?"

Just wondering why new threads are being created about old news then? Not saying they shouldn't be, it's just unusual
Roussette · 25/08/2021 12:45

She's estranged from her family. Don't blame her. I would be too.

We have no idea how 'estranged' Harry is from his. Not all of them that's for sure. Not his GM, not Eugenie. We don't know do we?

Yes, I'll make judgements on her family given her stepbrother is selling stories in Australia in Big Brother, her Dad sold a personal letter written by her, and her stepsister writes books saying how awful she is.
Not a family I'd want.

Why would saying someone has ambitions to be a politician be having a go at someone?

You tell me! It spawned huge threads about how awful it was she was contemplating this (when that is not true) how dare she even think of it, how delusions of grandeur she has, how dare she...

So you tell me. The criticism on MN that she even might be thinking of it (when we don't know) was horrendous.

Roussette · 25/08/2021 12:47

p.s. I don't care if she has political ambitions by the way. Good on her for trying if that's what she wants but nowhere has she said this. And if she isn't suitable she won't be elected!
BUt the idea of it sent shockwaves through the minds of those who ummm are not keen on her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/08/2021 12:52

Just wondering why new threads are being created about old news then?

God knows - you'd have to ask those who start them, though often one will be created about something genuinely new and then all the old news gets rehashed, which perhaps explains some of it?

KidneyBeans · 25/08/2021 12:59

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Just wondering why new threads are being created about old news then?

God knows - you'd have to ask those who start them, though often one will be created about something genuinely new and then all the old news gets rehashed, which perhaps explains some of it?

It just seems odd to me. H&M have done nothing newsworthy yet the royal rota has created a story about them. That story generates a MN discussion thread. That thread generates lots of vitriol and criticism of H&M, including that they're everywhere

Yet in this instance then being everywhere seems pretty outside of their control. And no one can point to anything they've actually said or done.

It does make you wonder if part of the public irritation with them is actually if the public's own making and not actually anything to do with H&M - they're simply convenient targets.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/08/2021 13:15

H&M have done nothing newsworthy yet the royal rota has created a story about them

Well, the oldest thing I can find about Harry's memoir publishing deal is only a week ago, but of course we can't know what'll be in it yet

I don't think there's been anything of note since then (?), and yes it's certainly true the rags invent things even if there isn't, but then that's clickbait for you

BringBackThinEyebrows · 25/08/2021 13:17

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yes, I think it's so important to use a reliable source or make it clear when something is alleged.

IMO Harry has done plenty in the last year or so to build a picture of what he wants to portray and what he is willing to discuss. The recent news(!) that he's going to release a memoir was always going to generate more articles.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/08/2021 13:20

Ignore me about "a week ago" for the publishing deal ... it actually hit the news a month ago

Duuuhhh!!! Blush

Marmaladeagain · 25/08/2021 14:09

puzzled -how have you missed over last 7 days we've had endless product placement from H&M. It isn't old news at all.

The perfectly sensible statement about Afghanistan from Harry via Invictus, no criticism.

We then had the self-indulgent, cringeworthy "scared" "layers of pain" "being conditioned to accept" baloney about the world and how terrible H&M feel etc.

Then Finding Freedom publicity and their PR man Scobie all over the place. Then H&M issue legal letters to Daily Mail threatening clarification is required as they hadn't "publicly" said they were disappointed with the Queen. "Publicly" was an important word to H&M and legal letters were required to make sure we all understood.

H popping off for Polo and announcing he was giving some future money from his future memoir (tawdry tales) to that charity and what a kind soul he is (just forgetting to mention it's actually required as part of various rules of Foundation to give 5% to charity each year). So tax planning rather than kindness. Flying by private jet, always funny when H&M do that.

That's quite a busy week. Oh and then the announement of the era of visibility. That provides enough laughs itself for about a year I'd say. Era of visibility. They need to get on with earning some money is what they mean Grin They are endlessly hilarious.

They've made themselves figues of ridicule and that's how it is. Some buy into the product of "kind" H&M others have a good laugh at them - all ultimately consumers in the H&M journey of materialistic quest for greater wealth. Mostly though people don't care about them at all. (That's very bad from the PR point of view.)

Oldbutstillgotit · 25/08/2021 14:14

More “revelations “ from FF . I am going to have to rethink my understanding of an epilogue !!