Queen and Meghan and harry

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Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

The A listers have already deserted the sinking H&M ship, the last thing they want is their brand being sullied by mud slinging and tell all interviews. The real talent take their privacy very seriously, and I am surprised Meghan would make such a rooky error, given how important it is to her to be one of the billionaire crowd.
I imagine they will move on soon, once they become LA outcasts. I know the Obamas party was a sore point for them, and I expect the invitations, or lack of, to become a real sticking point soon, no one likes to feel snubbed.

The legal fall out, the wrangling and poor behaviour towards the Queen will be ruin their reputations overnight.

Had they taken the road of staying silent with dignity, started their own lives with a degree of real compassion and fortitude rather than burning every bridge going, they may well have achieved their dreams and ambitions in time. All I can see is debt, ugly court cases and recriminations ahead for them.

@KidneyBeans

I haven't said 'they should STFU'. My post was just correcting what you said about another poster.

You're all grownups. If you don't like them then don't engage, but it's pretty childish to blame them for the fact that you're choosing to spend your time on a MN thread discussing them

Funnily enough, this is how I feel about people who don't want Prince Harry to be discussed. People can discuss public figures and the news on chat forums. As long as it's respectful, there's no issue.

If you wade through the many attempts to derail this into a Prince Andrew thread, a lot of posters are simply saying 'that's fair enough if true'. It's not offensive. No one owes you an explanation for why they're posting or why they hold certain views. People are already fully aware they don't need to click on threads. If someone said the same to you ("if you don't like him, ignore the press and never talk about him") about Prince Andrew, I doubt you would take their advice.

From what I can see, there's been no further press around the article this thread is about so it probably would have fizzled out, it's only been kept going by reactionary posts.

I haven't said 'they should STFU'. My post was just correcting what you said about another poster.
@BringBackThinEyebrows
I know you didn't but as you 'corrected' my response to the poster that did, you clearly agree with them otherwise why 'correct' me ?

Funnily enough, this is how I feel about people who don't want Prince Harry to be discussed. People can discuss public figures and the news on chat forums. As long as it's respectful, there's no issue.
I never said there was. My point was that posters who are holding H&M directly responsible for them feeling compelled to spend their leisure time typing about them in the internet should probably take some personal responsibility

If you wade through the many attempts to derail this into a Prince Andrew thread, a lot of posters are simply saying 'that's fair enough if true'. It's not offensive. No one owes you an explanation for why they're posting or why they hold certain views. People are already fully aware they don't need to click on threads. If someone said the same to you ("if you don't like him, ignore the press and never talk about him") about Prince Andrew, I doubt you would take their advice.
But I haven't tried to hold PA or anyone else responsible for my own behaviour, said he should STFU or suggested that he's driving me to seek out threads and post on them like @Blossomtoes has. I have no intention of holding him accountable for my choices. If I didn't want to hear about him I simply wouldn't engage. It's not difficult.

From what I can see, there's been no further press around the article this thread is about so it probably would have fizzled out, it's only been kept going by reactionary posts.
Exactly. Which is why I don't understand what H&M need to 'STFU' about or why they are responsible for other posters engaging in this thread. As you felt the need to 'correct me' when I pointed this out, perhaps you could explain?

I know the Obamas party was a sore point for them

You might want to consult a dictionary for the definition of "know" @stepupandbecounted...

@KidneyBeans

This bit that I corrected was to say that this thread is in the 'Chat' section, not Royal chat as you said.

As you ask my opinion, I think that Prince Harry makes loads of money for the press and many headlines about him are designed as clickbait to get people rolling their eyes. I was surprised that he disclosed such personal information about the breakdown in relationship with his dad, but he just has different advisers now. I don't consider him an expert in topics that interest me, so I don't follow what he says.

I never really think public figures should 'stfu', everyone has different views and I prefer honesty over sitting on a fence. I extend that view to online forums- everyone can discuss what they want (respectfully and within reason).

My post was not about famous people being accountable for people talking about them. It was in reference to your point about not engaging if you don't like the discussion topic. Similarly, if you don't like that Prince Harry is discussed, you could choose not to engage rather than question people who may have a negative view about something he has allegedly said or done. No one owes you an explanation. Plus when you say that me clarifying which section of MN this is means that I think Prince Harry should 'stfu', it shows how easy it is to get confused.

I think one of the things that raises eyebrows is that she is estranged from her own family with the exception of her mother, now he seems pretty well estranged from his. It does seem a pattern

I'd be estranged from her family if they were anything to do with me too. You cannot diagnose her with 'a pattern' you don't know her, only what is fed to you by the press.

But you don’t, Roussette! As you say, there are people or topics one has no interest in. If you are genuinely not interested in M&H and really think they’re doing terribly well, scroll on by

Dotty, no I don't but I'm not posting endless horrible posts about them am I? I hate bullying too. I think they have been maligned and bullied both on here, in the press (awful) and elsewhere.

Incidentally, various reports are that Meghan fancies a career in politics
That comes up regularly on these threads and has done since they've been in US. If you've got a recent substantiated link on that I'd be interested in reading more!

The A listers have already deserted the sinking H&M ship

Who's that then?
If you mean the Obamas, it would be mighty strange to go and celebrate your birthday with someone else like Barack, given his birthday is the same day as MM. Imagine the 'attention seeking' threads on here! MN would implode!

All I can see is debt, ugly court cases and recriminations ahead for them

Surely you mean Andrew on that?!
They're happy living their lives and it's nothing like the picture you paint, that you know nothing about!

No one owes you an explanation for why they're posting or why they hold certain views

Tell that to the anti H&M posters who continually follow me around asking me why I am posting on these threads. It's non stop

But I haven't tried to hold PA or anyone else responsible for my own behaviour, said he should STFU or suggested that he's driving me to seek out threads and post on them like @Blossomtoes has

She hasn’t and if you think she has, you might wish to brush up your reading and comprehension skills. Nobody’s responsible for my behaviour but me. I owned my annoyance. Now can we stop using personal attacks to derail the thread?

Rather ironic Blossom that you are asking for the personal attacks to stop, all whilst telling someone to 'brush up on reading and comprehension skills' which is really quite rude.

@Roussette

Rather ironic Blossom that you are asking for the personal attacks to stop, all whilst telling someone to 'brush up on reading and comprehension skills' which is really quite rude.

I know. That did occur to me after I posted. 🙄

Blossom no probs... it's the sort of thing I do and then curse MN for not having an edit button 😂

Perhaps we could have a sticky with a few rules, namely No Throwing the “Hate” Accusation Around, and (for everyone) No Telling People to Not Post and Not Asking People Why they are Interested. (Sorry, random capitalisation.)

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@KidneyBeans

This bit that I corrected was to say that this thread is in the 'Chat' section, not Royal chat as you said.

As you ask my opinion, I think that Prince Harry makes loads of money for the press and many headlines about him are designed as clickbait to get people rolling their eyes. I was surprised that he disclosed such personal information about the breakdown in relationship with his dad, but he just has different advisers now. I don't consider him an expert in topics that interest me, so I don't follow what he says.

I never really think public figures should 'stfu', everyone has different views and I prefer honesty over sitting on a fence. I extend that view to online forums- everyone can discuss what they want (respectfully and within reason).

My post was not about famous people being accountable for people talking about them. It was in reference to your point about not engaging if you don't like the discussion topic. Similarly, if you don't like that Prince Harry is discussed, you could choose not to engage rather than question people who may have a negative view about something he has allegedly said or done. No one owes you an explanation. Plus when you say that me clarifying which section of MN this is means that I think Prince Harry should 'stfu', it shows how easy it is to get confused.[/quote]
Ok so your point was literally to correct me that this thread is in chat rather than royalty?
Thanks but what material difference does that actually make to my point that no one is compelled to engage with it?

Similarly, if you don't like that Prince Harry is discussed, you could choose not to engage rather than question people who may have a negative view about something he has allegedly said or done. No one owes you an explanation.

Why are you creating scenarios that haven't happened so that you can tell me things that that are blindingly obvious?

@Blossomtoes

But I haven't tried to hold PA or anyone else responsible for my own behaviour, said he should STFU or suggested that he's driving me to seek out threads and post on them like @Blossomtoes has

She hasn’t and if you think she has, you might wish to brush up your reading and comprehension skills. Nobody’s responsible for my behaviour but me. I owned my annoyance. Now can we stop using personal attacks to derail the thread?

I just wish they’d stfu about it. I’d love to never hear anything from or about them ever again.

What do you want them to STFU about then? What have they actually said?
Why are you choosing to activate a discussion thread about them if you don't want to hear about them?

Also where exactly was the personal attack? @Blossomtoes
I literally reposted what you'd said.

@DottyHarmer

Perhaps we could have a sticky with a few rules, namely No Throwing the “Hate” Accusation Around, and (for everyone) No Telling People to Not Post and Not Asking People Why they are Interested. (Sorry, random capitalisation.)

I think that's a fab idea.

kidney: it's a figure of speech - do you take everything so literally, I hope not it would be exhausting.

@Marmaladeagain

kidney: it's a figure of speech - do you take everything so literally, I hope not it would be exhausting.

What is?

@DottyHarmer

Perhaps we could have a sticky with a few rules, namely No Throwing the “Hate” Accusation Around, and (for everyone) No Telling People to Not Post and Not Asking People Why they are Interested. (Sorry, random capitalisation.)

Yes Dotty - good suggestion - some areas have stickys don't they?

don't worry

@Marmaladeagain

don't worry

I wasn't

I do however find it fascinating that the H&M hate-club choose to spend their time on MN discussing H&M whilst simultaneously complaining about their ubiquity

And then blaming H&M (who seem to have done absolutely nothing to trigger recent media or the creation of this thread) for the fact that they are participating in discussion threads about them on MN

It seems a rather circular complaint

@DottyHarmer

Perhaps we could have a sticky with a few rules, namely No Throwing the “Hate” Accusation Around, and (for everyone) No Telling People to Not Post and Not Asking People Why they are Interested. (Sorry, random capitalisation.)

posters seem obsessed with the "hater" accusation, even going so far as to say posters should be banned!! if you want to shut that down, you need to look at the name calling/stalking and PA's from "the other side"

@Roussette

I think one of the things that raises eyebrows is that she is estranged from her own family with the exception of her mother, now he seems pretty well estranged from his. It does seem a pattern

I'd be estranged from her family if they were anything to do with me too. You cannot diagnose her with 'a pattern' you don't know her, only what is fed to you by the press.

But you don’t, Roussette! As you say, there are people or topics one has no interest in. If you are genuinely not interested in M&H and really think they’re doing terribly well, scroll on by

Dotty, no I don't but I'm not posting endless horrible posts about them am I? I hate bullying too. I think they have been maligned and bullied both on here, in the press (awful) and elsewhere.

Incidentally, various reports are that Meghan fancies a career in politics
That comes up regularly on these threads and has done since they've been in US. If you've got a recent substantiated link on that I'd be interested in reading more!

Are you saying she isn't estranged from most of her family and now he is estranged from most of his? I think that is a bit of a pattern.

I don't know her family but her dad doesn't seem awful from the bits I've seen. He's an old bloke, he got something wrong about press photos before the wedding, not exactly a hanging offence. We've all made mistakes, Prince Harry has been guilty of racist remarks in the past and dressing up as an SS officer (some sort of nazi anyway) so maybe accept the fact he apologised and let him meet his GC. For people who are so compassionate that doesn't seem a big ask to me.

Not sure what is wrong with saying she fancies a career in politics. I know some people don't like politicians but it is a legitimate aspiration so I don't see that is matters if she has mentioned it recently.

Sorry, I'm a little confused isn't accusing others of "hate" a personal attack? It goes on and on but is the elephant in the room on these threads. The attacks against other posters are entirely one way perhaps MN could explain why continually saying other posters are "haters" and turning up on threads to say the same thing to those posters isn't considered personal attack? It's tiresom and designed to derail threads - being asked why we discuss people that want to only receive positive PR is perfectly valid when it's at the expense of using the UK as the backdrop to their "Finding Freedom" etc.