Queen and Meghan and harry

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Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

I've always thought the 'don't explain, don't complain' ethos the RF take is a bit weak.

They should issue robust statements defending themselves and shut down any mud slinging and speculation.

@summercupcake

I've always thought the 'don't explain, don't complain' ethos the RF take is a bit weak.

They should issue robust statements defending themselves and shut down any mud slinging and speculation.

I disagree.

H&M have attempted to do the polar opposite with some statements from their legal representatives and some lawsuits. It just makes you think that anytime they don’t threaten legal action it’s because whatever has been said must have some truth in it.

“Vitriol” - c’mon, Roussette, you’re better than that!

All we are is interested and possibly annoyed with the pair of them, for the very reason you say they are not doing, ie going away! I would have waved them off if they had said they wanted to step back from royal duties and gone and lived…. wherever. No problem. But setting themselves up in California as if they want to be a rival court - no, that’s cheesy. And as for Harry whingeing about money - read the world, mate!

@summercupcake

I've always thought the 'don't explain, don't complain' ethos the RF take is a bit weak.

They should issue robust statements defending themselves and shut down any mud slinging and speculation.

Never complain, never explain has stood them in very good stead for decades, if not centuries. If it ain’t broke, why fix it? Participating in the mudslinging would just escalate the situation. They know silence works.

Lol Dotty maybe you didn't see all the hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past, since they got engaged actually, or some of the deleted ones, deleted for a reason.

I'm not the only one who thiks like this! Many many MNers feel the same as I do as can be seen from some of the threads.

It isn't a 'rival court' to have projects and charities they want to be involved in.
They're just leading their lives and doing well... good on them!

Never complain, never explain has stood them in very good stead for decades, if not centuries. If it ain’t broke, why fix it?

Because it's 2021 and not 1821 and some things need explaining.
I'm hoping things will change in the future.

More transparency

Participating in the mudslinging would just escalate the situation. They know silence works

I don't have to like the concept, but can't help agreeing; there's a time for speaking out and a time for judicious silence and the RF make heavy use of the latter (though in fairness it's no doubt to protect themselves)

When you're party to so many questionable arrangements keeping schtum can be the wiser thing to do, especially when anything they say will be rightly dissected and probably used to inflame things still further. The whole lot of them look pretty grim just on what we actually know ... imagine what might be said if we really knew the lot

There’s nothing special about 2021.

nottoday: if you're not talking about MN or people in general, then you're talking about the edges of online forums/Twitter and a minority of people who are super fans or super not-fans. They're not representative of the majority of people and I don't spend time wondering why they hate/love. I'm not sure anyone would.

In real life people generally do agree and see that H&M behave like hypocrites (ie: don't speak to the media/then speak to the media). Speak about privacy but invade other people's privacy. People either really don't care about them at all or find them laughable and entertaining.

Their expensive PR team do a sterling job of keeping them in the press (that's what they are paying for, not to be kept out of the press) - just it's endless own goals and legal threats are issued.

H&M can't control the narrative and that's why they're of interest as they still haven't accepted they can't. It's very weird behaviour.

So not quite same as most celebrities who accept they can't make everyone like them or want their product (H&M themselves is all the product amounts to currently). That's why they create more interest - their sheer determination to have the final say and close the book. They can't. It makes each new bizarre attempt funnier.

The Kardashians at least seem to be able to get on with their own families these are the lonliest looking "popular" people I've ever seen.

There’s nothing special about 2021

It's very different to hundreds of years ago. Times change and the RF should change with the times.

H&M can't control the narrative
Don't think they're trying to. They're just getting on with their lives, supporting themselves and happy over in the US.

It's a shame people can't accept that.

They're just getting on with their lives, supporting themselves and happy over in the US. It's a shame people can't accept that

I totally accept it. I just wish they’d stfu about it. I’d love to never hear anything from or about them ever again.

But Blossom are they allowed to encourage others to support World Central Kitchen in Haiti or Afghan Aid or any other charities they support?
Why aren't they allowed to speak?
Thousands and thousands of people in privileged positions speak out about what's going on in the world. Why can't they?

If you really didn't want to hear about them ever again, they are avoidable. There's a couple of v famous people I have no time for. I just avoid them everywhere.

I don't read articles on them. I dont go on threads on MN about them. I scroll past anything to do with them.
It's easily done.

People either really don't care about them at all or find them laughable and entertaining

This^^

Their misfortune was to play out the leaving saga against a background of lockdown which left millions casting around for anything to divert. It probably engaged many who would never normally have given royals dramatics more than a passing glance.

Covid scuppered their plans to fleece gullible bankers on the after dinner talks circuit which meant they either had to keep themselves out there any way they could or pass their sell-by date before they could say 'new life'.

It's been a masterpiece of mistiming.

@Blossomtoes

They're just getting on with their lives, supporting themselves and happy over in the US. It's a shame people can't accept that

I totally accept it. I just wish they’d stfu about it. I’d love to never hear anything from or about them ever again.

Then why are you on the Royal section of MN commenting on a thread on them?

If you genuinely don't want to engage with discussion about H&M, or read press about them, then don't. That's up to you. Not them

@KidneyBeans

This thread is in the Chat section. It's been trending for 2 days on MN to be fair.

I think unless you live under a rock, it's hard to avoid exposure to H&M. Possibly more so than other celebrities who divide opinion.

No one has to click on anything. I see stuff in 'trending' and think uh-oh...not for me, not interested

It's been a masterpiece of mistiming.

CathyorClaire - it truly is - it will continue and will be fascinating to see how many poor decisions continue to be made.

In the future there will be marketing BA students discussing the whole diastarous PR missteps as being a topic on how not to run a marketing/PR campaign. The MN threads would be a good resource

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@KidneyBeans

This thread is in the Chat section. It's been trending for 2 days on MN to be fair.

I think unless you live under a rock, it's hard to avoid exposure to H&M. Possibly more so than other celebrities who divide opinion.[/quote]
Thank you. That response is such classic MN, isn’t it? They annoy me enough to want to comment on them. 🤷‍♀️

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@KidneyBeans

This thread is in the Chat section. It's been trending for 2 days on MN to be fair.

I think unless you live under a rock, it's hard to avoid exposure to H&M. Possibly more so than other celebrities who divide opinion.[/quote]
Fine but that's not their fault is it?

They have no control over the royal Rota creating stories around the Queen taking legal action, someone starting this post or posters choosing to post on it.

No one on this thread has been able to say why they've been in the news or what it is they're supposed to have done recently. So what is it they should 'STFU' about?

So it seems a bit off to blame them when a lot of the 'news' around them seems to be a diversionary tactic based on nothing, and MN posters choose to spend their time discussing them.

You're all grownups. If you don't like them then don't engage, but it's pretty childish to blame them for the fact that you're choosing to spend your time on a MN thread discussing them

And yes it's perfectly possible to avoid news about them. One of the reasons I asked on this thread what it is they're supposed to have done is because I don't follow their activities. I've read nothing about them since the Oprah interview months ago. I find it weird to blame total strangers for the way you choose to spend your time

Thank you. That response is such classic MN, isn’t it? They annoy me enough to want to comment on them.

Then that's your choice.

What is it exactly that they've done to annoy you?

No one seems to be able to describe why they're in the news, what the legal action story was about etc. Why are you blaming total strangers for that, and for your own choices?

No one on this thread has been able to say why they've been in the news or what it is they're supposed to have done recently

^^This 100%
@KidneyBeans
There isn't anything!
Look at the thread about their words on Afghanistan and Haiti posted by them on their website last week, yet the thread rolls on and on with desperate looking for more to denigrate them for apart from the fact they showed empathy for a dire situation with links to some fantastic charities.

So now it's a generic whinging moaning, attention seeking insult that's lobbed at them for something to do, as a result of a nothing clickbait story dug up from the gutter press. At least it's moved on from the price of Meghan's engagement dress, or the way they moved a chair in the church.

Walk away from them folks if they're annoying to you!

I'm not sure what they've done either other than a statement on their own website, but that was last week and doubt the rubbish about the Queen supposedly suing her own grandson in the Sun was true. When and if her maj issues a personal statement regarding that I may believe it. I think there is too much 'a source'' or ''an insider'' concocted bollocks going on so I treat it all with the proverbial pinch of salt until things are proven

@Roussette

Lol Dotty maybe you didn't see all the hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past, since they got engaged actually, or some of the deleted ones, deleted for a reason.

I'm not the only one who thiks like this! Many many MNers feel the same as I do as can be seen from some of the threads.

It isn't a 'rival court' to have projects and charities they want to be involved in.
They're just leading their lives and doing well... good on them!

Was the OW interview just leading their lives? They were pretty horrible about his family. They couldn't even agree on a timeline for a comment about the colour of any children and that was a pretty nasty thing to leave hanging over the RF. I remember that night and the next day people on MN saying "It was definitely Philip, he's the racist." Of course that got kicked out when OW confirmed it was not the Queen or Philip so then the speculation went on with people knowing it was William/Andrew/Anne old uncle tom cobley and all.

I think one of the things that raises eyebrows is that she is estranged from her own family with the exception of her mother, now he seems pretty well estranged from his. It does seem a pattern. She talks about MH issues and I suppose someone who always sees themselves as the victim, always sees others as enemies might very well be experiencing some MH issues which is sad and very hard for them but it is also sad for others who get the blame and quite possibly have done nothing to warrant it.

I hope they do get on with leading their own lives and respect the privacy of others as they wish their own privacy to be respected. They seem to have a lovely house, children, friends. Maybe a focus on the positive would help with MH issues.

I feel the best advice for any family with infighting and "issues" is draw a line under it, try to have some sort of contact because it is usually better for people but if it isn't possible remember some of the good times and move on.

But you don’t, Roussette! As you say, there are people or topics one has no interest in. If you are genuinely not interested in M&H and really think they’re doing terribly well, scroll on by!

Incidentally, various reports are that Meghan fancies a career in politics. Very good, but she and H had better develop thicker skins if this is idea is to have legs. The “hate” on MN will be nothing compared with what a US candidate (even for a very modest public post) has to endure.

Wise words, @ancientgran . Furthermore, I think some of their Important Friends are retreating a bit. No doubt they think that if Harry is up for spilling the beans on his family, the spotlight might turn on them next. A-listers are hysterical about their privacy.