Queen and Meghan and harry

[Pixxie7]

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

What if Meghan is the wicked witch?
She has gone and we no longer pay for her.
Hurrah!

If archewell is a terrible nefarious organisation the IRS will come for them and no one will want anything to do with them. Just wait patiently for the impending collapse.
If she puts out mawkish statements that annoy you, ignore them. Creating threads to dissect them is going to be upsetting for you.

This constant complaining and engagement with these stories is counter productive. The RF we have and pay for that we are told is superior to wicked M&H is constantly overshadowed by them. M&H only issue statements through archewell and their spokesperson. They do not engage with the rota ergo the rota are seeking out information about them.

I am not being facetious. If M&H were a pop band you didn't like that was plastered all over the radio etc. You would ignore them. You would not devote all your energy telling strangers how shit they were or seeking out other strangers to agree with you that they were shit.

@Samcro

PA is relevant to all the threads about H&M also as I have often been told........who made you thread police lol

This thread is about the news story that Harry is writing a memoir and the Queen is allegedly consulting lawyers. What is the link to Andrew? I find the constant attempts to lump them together a bit grim personally, given the nature of the allegations around Andrew.

Regarding policing a thread, if you were on a thread about Sons of Anarchy, and some posters kept commenting about Eastenders in that thread, would you be confused? Especially if those posters were already active on at least two other threads about Eastenders? Imagine they posted so many comments about Eastenders on the Sons of Anarchy thread that it trended on MN for 2 days in a row, like this thread has been. Do you think they'd be better off posting in the Eastenders thread(s)? I assume you're a SoA fan from your username

They were the golden couple, with the fairytale wedding. Like so many others, I thought it was all lovely and that Meghan was great for Harry - and super-attractive, elegant and confident to boot. And then - splat. What a story. And one that keeps on giving, with M&H themselves seeking publicity

See Dotty I just don't get it!

They live far across the Atlantic, they're doing their own thing, they have left the RF... no duties, no nothing, and yet the obsession by some is extraordinary. It never ceases to leave me gobsmacked! I could understand it if they hadn't left, but they have! They are catering to the american market now, not us.

I just don't care. I hope they're happy, I hope they can draw attention to some much needed charities and highlight good causes. Yes, they put out some flowery statements but they are in America now, and the americans love that!
Apart from that I honestly have no interest in them and don't get the obsession apart from knowing much of it is fuelled by our crap press with made up nonsense.

This thread is about the news story that Harry is writing a memoir and the Queen is allegedly consulting lawyers. What is the link to Andrew?

Because that aspect is barely mentioned on here. The thread has meandered all over the place as threads do!

I'm not sure why people are surprised that the Queen protects Andrew.

There was a thread here a few months ago asking if you, as a parent, would ever report your child to the police. The thread was full of people saying they absolutely would not for almost any crime, including rape, murder, looking at child sexual abuse images, etc. I can't see why the Queen would be any different, to be honest.

And before anyone says it, I don't agree that she should protect him, just the same as I didn't agree with people on the thread I mention.

Honestly OP, if you don't like that Andrew is mentioned here, you need to contact MNHQ.
Given there isn't a thread about other members of the RF that doesn't descend into stuff about M&H, fair's fair.
Sons of Anarchy and Eastenders aren't connected.
M&H and PA are. Greatly

@IAmNotAClownfish

I am shocked at that
I would or at least I would like to think I would.
So that they could get the help they needed and the punishment they deserve.

[quote Roussette]@IAmNotAClownfish

I am shocked at that
I would or at least I would like to think I would.
So that they could get the help they needed and the punishment they deserve.[/quote]
It doesn’t shock me. It’s so easy to say that of course you’d do it. A lot bloody harder if you’re actually in that situation. And equally difficult not to suffer from maternal delusion. As I said on another thread, look at Violet Kray.

But those saying or presenting this as an argument of two sides of RF versus M&H are largely missing the point.
M&H ARE presenting their personas as members of the RF. they're using that unique point to build their brand. Not totally unreasonable given the unique circumstances.
But by them doing their thing based on the fact of their connection to the RF negates the argument that RF is bad and H&M are good.
They are the same entity.
I wish nothing but wellness and fortune to H&M but to think you can derise the RF to defend them is bonkers and unjoined up thinking.

It's as if normally reasonably rational people are feeling pushed to leap one side or the other.
Perfectly possible to think both sides are imperfect yet perfect.
I don't see many posters finding the good in either without the need to stamp on the other.
Pretty unique in most debates.

Blossom yes I know that, of course I do. Saying and doing are two different things.

driveinmecrazy how though?

Apart from the titles (which the likes of SF uses all the time)... how?

FWIW I do think they are imperfect and flawed at times. And stupid too. But not enough to warrant the vitriol they receive.

But they would be nothing if it weren't for being part of the RF.
what sits slightly uneasy with me is that Harry hadn't expressed any of these feelings before her met Meghan.
And I'm not putting the fault at her door, quite the contrary. I personally think she was the catalyst so shouldn't bear the shoulder of blame.
But he was happy to accept the perks of the job while,seemingly, harbouring great anger.
It speaks more of him as a character than it does RF who have never pretended to be otherwise.

My overwhelming feeling of this whole ongoing soap opera is of sadness on all sides.

But to accept Harry's version of events equally seems greatly unbalanced. After all even he has said it's his truth so hasn't said it is The truth.

He understandably is using his profile to sound off and work through it all, but to do it all so publicly? That's where I will criticise him and wonder, like many others, wether it's a lack of advice or a determination to ignore advice given.

I've recently completed a lengthy period of therapy to deal with my dysfunctional up bringing and recognise much in his actions. Also recognise the need he has to tell his truth but when is he going to get it out of his system and will it be too late to rebuild healthier bridges with his loved ones?
Surely that's the end goal of most going through these enlightenment journeys, or is he in fact saying 'stuff you all' in which case it would be altogether healthier to wish both sides well and truly diverge your lives.

By that logic anything that H&M do is because of their link to the RF

The only solution is changing their names and facial reconstructive surgery, dying their hair and going into hiding.

Do you see how high and impossible that bar is? If they fall short, we have to have endless struggle sessions to discuss their wickedness past, present and future....

Let it go they are gone. Treat them like Fergie, giggle if its ridiculous and sigh & ignore is it isn't. If it is criminal the law will catch up to them.

@BringBackThinEyebrows I don't think Sons of Anarchy and Eastenders is a good comparison(but nice you got my user name) they are totally different.
PH and PW are both princes. both members of the RF.

But they would be nothing if it weren't for being part of the RF.

Well... Harry can't help the family he was born in to. So I don't get that. He's always been a square peg in a round hole in the RF. There's articles and footage out there, where he's said he doesn't enjoy his role. It wasn't new.

Interesting post though drivein

I just don't think he can be blamed for his birthright and upbringing. Yes he could be less public with it, I agree with that, but it's like saying Andrew can't help being the character he is, because he was born royal and entitled, so he bears no responsibility for his appalling decisions. (even when he will have had aides advising him continually)

Harry is always going to be either the grandson, son or brother of an english Monarch. That can't be helped. He's always going to be well known. That can't be helped either.

It is not about bashing the royal family or H&M

It is about the fact that people are complaining because they quit a job and haven't disappeared (and I mean disappeared).

The complaints about
hurtful things said (no quotes provided),
wicked smirking,
Choosing victimhood (I think this is linked to the hurt feelings thing),
dreadful lies (about vows and things), general uppity behaviour (they want a state banquet),
they are celebrity obsessed (because our own media is obsessed with them and apparently they are on speed dial with Camilla Tominey)
It's too public (they continue to be related to the RF and refuse to change their names and disappear)

It's silly. And this need to scrub people from existence is disturbing

@Roussette for someone who doesn't care you spend an extraordinary amount of time on threads which mention M&H. Your actions suggest you care very much.
They are all on a continuum from pointless (hazza) to hideous (andrew) but I'd still rather have the queen than Biden or Trump or Clinton.
If the Obamas or JK Rowling want the job though let the revolution commence!

@Roussette

I got the impression that she was talking about checking in to some sort of residential facility which, as far as I know, is unprecedented when it comes to the royals

Yes, I got that impression too.

Yes, ditto.

I got the feeling she meant, I needed a break from this shit and I wanted to check in at the Priory and I needed my mom, not a palace doctor waving the SSRIs at me.

And that she was told, That's quite enough of that, young lady, you'll get on with it like all the other royal wives do. So buckle up and buckle down.

And she just wasn't ready for it.

And that's on Harry, really.

Yes, absolutely.

And I'm still getting over the State Banquet thing. We all know it's a load of old bollocks but the fact someone can come on here and say it like it's true is gobsmacking to me.

How far people have fallen in their belief of the nonsense press. Incredible.
And... I never saw a smirk!

@Tuscancat
for someone who doesn't care you spend an extraordinary amount of time on threads which mention M&H. Your actions suggest you care very much

Sigh...

OK... as I have said a zillion times before, I hate bullying. I think they are bullied on here, in the press, and elsewhere.

Now... if you want to question my presence here because of that, I find that odd.

There are other threads on M&H that I am not on. There are regular posters who are. They NC continually so you won't recognise them. I never NC, and that actually is a brave move considering the insults and questioning of my presence that I get continually.

I hope that explains it a little for you...

I just think getting worked up into a state about people who quit a job and moved away but haven't committed a crime is a bit weird. I just keep thinking but what is the answer.

And the answer seems to be a variation on disappearing and ceasing to exist which is disturbing. I don't think I have ever seen that about a celebrity for years on ahead with full on media support. And this constant thirst for punishment.

Even prince Andrew people largely want him to face justice / lose his perks and funding.

Celeb gossip is supposed to be fun or a diversion, I am not so pious and silly to say we should be interested. But threads and thousands of comment sections and twitter accounts dedicated to wanting someone to disappear/be cut down to size/punished is scary.

Let's also not pretend that the criticism only started after H&M stepped down. Even before that Meghan couldn't sneeze without the tabloids and Mumsnet erupting. Off the top of my head - not and English rose, divorced and American, an actress, not giving Kate enough time to lose the baby weight before the wedding, not dressing like a royal, spending too much on clothes, wearing dark nail polish, touching her bump too much, not holding Archie properly, the list went on!

Harry is always going to be either the grandson, son or brother of an english Monarch The monarchy is no longer solely English. That ended centuries ago. There's no such thing as the Queen of England.

Yes, they've been German for ages!