Queen and Meghan and harry

[Pixxie7]

Apparently the queen is considering taking legal action to stop the verbal attacks on the royal family.

@QueenHofScotland

To the posters who talk about us paying for the royals - genuine question here - are their allowances and costs etc more than what we earn from them?

Because regardless of your views of the specific family members - they do work. And our country benefits?!

The source for the claim the royals make more for us than they cost seems to be the Brand Finance Monarchy report 2017, Brand Finance being a firm that specialises in valuing brands and 'strategy consultancy.'

It hit the headlines but there's no indication of who commissioned it or why or even whether it's just a clever piece of marketing on the firm's own behalf.

Maybe have a thread about PA with no references to H&M and another thread doing the opposite

With all due respect, that is completely impossible.

Whilst there is talk of private jets, PA hanging on to his titles courtesy of the Q, whilst H's are stripped, whilst there is reports of the Q consulting lawyers about H&M whilst no comment on PA and his behaviour... it really wont work to keep it to seperate threads.

PA is relevant to all the threads about H&M
also as I have often been told........who made you thread police lol

@CathyorClaire

If that's you're concern you might want to focus your ire on the Prince using the public purse to fund his lifestyle with trafficked victims of sexual abuse and any legal fall out that may arise from those poor choices

It depends on what's important to you, of course

And if that's you're [sic] concern maybe you'd like to follow the links I posted upthread to the two current threads on precisely that matter one of which I started.

You may want to check your own grammar before mocking my autocorrected post. It makes you look both foolish and unpleasant.

But I think if you're focussing on typos and Royal weddings whilst I look at public funding of an alleged sex offender, we likely have different priorities 🤷‍♀️

[quote nottodaybatman]@ancientgran

In this thread we have a Sun article suggesting legal action against M&H for un specified criminal / mean statements that they have made or might make in the future. We have no idea.

The thread has evolved to state that not only have they / will they make criminal / mean statements about the Q (Camilla has hurt feelings too now), but we now have to focus on the cost of the wedding. It is not unreasonable to state that we the public have funded weddings for individuals who have subsequently divorced or committed adultery. We are also funding the legal defence of individual accused of child rape. It is entirely on topic to state that we have lots of bonkers costs associated with the royal family.

We have also had it stated that M&H have demanded a state banquet and they told their special friend Camilla Tominey all about it. People have then speculated that presumably she will want a tiara for the occasion. That is not unreasobale.

We have now been told that Meghan wants to come back to the UK - not sure which special friend in the british media she told. Will there be another state banquet? Who knows? I expect there will be tiaras.[/quote]
I still don't see what that has got to do with the palace being able to get newspapers to make up evil stories about M&H (the Queens grandson who she seemed close to) to distract attention from PA when if the palace has that sort of influence why not get the press to stop printing stuff about PA and then having to distract us by printing stuff about M&H.

I just can't see the logic, I'm sure she doesn't want stories about PA or Harry so it just seems logical to me (I'm also a mother and a grandmother) to not have any stories.

The newspapers speculate about stuff, Royal "experts" give their opinion. Some of them will end up being right and some will be wrong but I still don't see why the Queen or the palace would engage in the sort of conspiracy they are being accused of.

Well it was 'senior palace aides' who spoke the Mail about the Queen supposedly considering legal letters to M&H. It's in the story, bare-faced!

That's how it happens.

@Roussette

Maybe have a thread about PA with no references to H&M and another thread doing the opposite

With all due respect, that is completely impossible.

Whilst there is talk of private jets, PA hanging on to his titles courtesy of the Q, whilst H's are stripped, whilst there is reports of the Q consulting lawyers about H&M whilst no comment on PA and his behaviour... it really wont work to keep it to seperate threads.

The thing is that for me, and maybe others, everytime someone seeks to justify H&M on things they've said, and we've heard it from their own mouths, by saying PA PA PA it just makes me think they don't actually have an argument. Of course it is hard to justify things like the wedding being 3 days before the wedding because they said it and the Archbishop said they were wrong, the law says they were wrong. The trouble with telling whoppers is it's the boy who cried wolf scenario. I'm sure there is truth in there but I have no faith in them telling me what it is.

I couldn't care less where H&M choose to live, it didn't worry me for a nanosecond when they said they were leaving. Young couple choosing their own way in life is absolutely normal in my book.New mother wanting to move back home again is totally normal and not unexmpedted. I do get sick of the lies or twisting the truth.

when if the palace has that sort of influence why not get the press to stop printing stuff about PA and then having to distract us by printing stuff about M&H

There is so little in the papers on PA. I know posters will disagree but it's miniscule compared to H&M

And the Queen did get lawyers to direct the MSM not to take photos of the family in Balmoral.
I know this is normal to do (i.e. leave us alone on our holidays) but she didn't do it when she arrived, but only on the day Andrew did.

I did a link somewhere on one of these threads about this.

@SpindleWhorl

Well it was 'senior palace aides' who spoke the Mail about the Queen supposedly considering legal letters to M&H. It's in the story, bare-faced!

That's how it happens.

How do you know that? Is that what the Mail said? How do they define a senior palace aide? If it is true can H&M complain, they have set the example with legal action. Speaking as a granny you can't blame us if we learn from the young.

The thing is that for me, and maybe others, everytime someone seeks to justify H&M on things they've said, and we've heard it from their own mouths, by saying PA PA PA it just makes me think they don't actually have an argument

I bring up PA in direct contrast to how H&M have been treated and will continue to do so. Like being stripped of patronages for instance.

I don't care a fig on the married 3 day before thing... it just means nothing, they said some private words to each other, so what.

@Roussette

when if the palace has that sort of influence why not get the press to stop printing stuff about PA and then having to distract us by printing stuff about M&H

There is so little in the papers on PA. I know posters will disagree but it's miniscule compared to H&M

And the Queen did get lawyers to direct the MSM not to take photos of the family in Balmoral.
I know this is normal to do (i.e. leave us alone on our holidays) but she didn't do it when she arrived, but only on the day Andrew did.

I did a link somewhere on one of these threads about this.

I think there might be legal issues because of the court case or possible court cases. You have to be careful or you can muck things up well and truly.

The other point is alot of what is in the media about H&M comes from them or their friends allegedly. So as an example if they issue a statement about something, say global warming, and then they go on a private plane people are entitled to comment if they want to. Again I couldn't be bothered to monitor what they say and do but people have a right to do it.

@Roussette

The thing is that for me, and maybe others, everytime someone seeks to justify H&M on things they've said, and we've heard it from their own mouths, by saying PA PA PA it just makes me think they don't actually have an argument

I bring up PA in direct contrast to how H&M have been treated and will continue to do so. Like being stripped of patronages for instance.

I don't care a fig on the married 3 day before thing... it just means nothing, they said some private words to each other, so what.

So they weren't actually telling the truth, same with they couldn't get help for MH issues when Harry knew perfectly well how to get help and come to that he was getting counselling, I remember him saying William encouraged him and then suddenly it only happened when Meghan persuaded him or Meghan was virtually a prisoner when she was out and about travelling and meeting friends.

I don't blame her wanting to go home but why the song and dance.

I don't understand a lot about H&M either, @ancientgran. Well, most of it if I'm honest.

But I can see the game 'the palace' is playing and the Sussexes conveniently stepped right onto the chessboard.

What have they said? What are these terrible lies and wicked hurtful things?

I have not justified anything for M&H but if you want me to get hot and bothered I need to know what precisely about. I just do not care if they exchanged personal vows between themselves before the wedding, if she ate an avocado. In the same way I dont care if kate has botox, hair extensions or only drinks green tea.

As for why royal reporters write stories that are tenuous and hype them up, well there is lots written across the PA thread. But to summarise

The rota reporters are paid by their employers (a newspaper or tv network). They get preferential access to the RF and courtiers for interviews, photos ops and insider news. If they piss off the palace and are removed from the rota, it puts their employment as a royal correspondent in jeopardy.
It has been noted that rota reporters tend to follow the same editorial stance on royal stories - meghan, the cousin selling access to the Russians, mark Phillip's selling milk in china, fergie, prince andrew. Some stories are hyped up and some are downplayed.
Camilla Tominey has confirmed on TV that courtiers contact her to provide guidance about stories.

Does the queen herself call the Times up and tell them what to write - no. But it is known that if you write a random story about meghan wanting a state banquet it will generate thousands of tweets, comments and likely drown out other royal news about child rape and trafficking perhaps.

Does meghan really want a state banquet? No one knows. If you want to be outraged about whatever meghan is allegedly doing or not doing on the basis of rota reports that is your choice but the rota has an editorial stance and they have get rewarded for clicks and engagement - even it is 20,000 people bellowing what a wicked witch about something that isnt even true

people are entitled to comment if they want to. Again I couldn't be bothered to monitor what they say and do but people have a right to do it

Course they can.
But it's when it's only commented on with H&M and not other members of the RF ... that gets my goat.

Only recently, Charles flew miles in a helicopter to give a talk on climate change. No outrage on that. If it had been Harry doing that over here, it would've filled a thread in 24 hours!

So they weren't actually telling the truth, same with they couldn't get help for MH issues when Harry knew perfectly well how to get help and come to that he was getting counselling

NO.

I object. You don't know how she was turned down, how it wasn't the right help. How she couldn't get the help she needed and wanted.

I have experience of this and I feel strongly about minimisation of what someone is feeling

H&M are celebrities wanting to make themselves very, very wealthy but have chosen the wrong vehicle (victimhood) as it jars with reality. They’re also not people that bring sunshine to a situation. Writing some books on how to alienate family and lose friends might be where to start as their USP.

So yes everyone is able to comment on people that continue to use product placement of themselves in our culture to make themselves very rich.

Harry resigned from the job. Andrew doesn’t want to resign and the legal advice will be his family removing titles may prejudice outcome. I expect it is entirely due to legal advice that the RF are not throwing him out just yet. Andrew will be saying bad judgment of friends etc and nothing untoward happened (not saying that is truth at all). So no it doesn’t make any sense at all to keep comparing but we know some will continue to be unable to understand the differing situations.

I have to say that when I watched the interview I didn't think Meghan was referring to seeing a therapist. The RF probably wouldn't have had an issue with that. I got the impression that she was talking about checking in to some sort of residential facility which, as far as I know, is unprecedented when it comes to the royals.

I can quite understand the differing situations.

And I can also totally understand how much damage PA has done and is doing to the Monarchy.
H&M leaving pales into insignificance compared to what is going on with the favourite son.

I do think posters forget... they have left. They don't live in the UK anymore, they are carving their own lives in the US, and very successfully too.

They made a very sensible decision and I know this post will generate the inevitable 'give up the titles then'... well yeah... I think there's someone else in the queue for that first, given the damage he is doing.

It makes you look both foolish and unpleasant

I'll just point out that it wasn't me who made an unprovoked dig.

Anyway. CBA with a nonsensical spat that adds nothing to the discussion so I'm out. Have a good day

I got the impression that she was talking about checking in to some sort of residential facility which, as far as I know, is unprecedented when it comes to the royals

Yes, I got that impression too.

The thing is that PA is boring. The Emily Maitlis interview was very funny, but after that 99% of people are in agreement that he is boorish, entitled, greedy and by very many accounts not a particularly great person. There’s nothing to see except a podgy 60-year-old who once thought he was hot and important enough to be devastatingly attractive to young girls laid on by a dodgy friend.

M&H otoh: They were the golden couple, with the fairytale wedding. Like so many others, I thought it was all lovely and that Meghan was great for Harry - and super-attractive, elegant and confident to boot. And then - splat. What a story. And one that keeps on giving, with M&H themselves seeking publicity.

So - there’s no argument to be had about PA. if people don’t mention him, it’s because the jury of public opinion has already judged him to be a seedy prat.

Only recently, Charles flew miles in a helicopter to give a talk on climate change. No outrage on that. If it had been Harry doing that over here, it would've filled a thread in 24 hours!

TBF Harry has just taken a private jet back home from a polo match and I haven't seen one post pointing it out let alone a full thread.

What they said was that they repeated their vows to each other privately, before the wedding

Sorry, but no; if you remember accurately - or failing that read the transcript - that's not correct at all

It might have been presented as some sort of mealy-mouthed explanation once they were caught out, but it's certainly not what was said

All we have from the RF is the drip drip drip via the Rota all from anonymous palace sources.

We do not know what is true and what isn't. We do know that RF is strongly incentivised to protect the reputation of the direct heirs and Q herself.

We do know the more outrageous the claim the more engagement they get about any celebrity particularly for M&H. Hence why I give no shits about any of it about any of them because unless they sue for every bit of BS anything can be written.

This is a website ostensibly for women and mothers. I am not going to shit on the mental health needs of a woman because of the rota.
Play that game by yourself.
We have only just got to the stage where mental health is because discussed with empathy, especially for women.

Well said @Roussette