Prince Andrew sued by Virginia Roberts ll

[Blossomtoes]

Continued from previous thread

He can never leave Mummy’s side

@nottodaybatman

Some great posts from you,I so agree on 'the British media moved as a unit'

The RF must hate the Guardian and Independent

I don’t imagine the RF gives a stuff about the Independent or the Guardian. If the DM and the Telegraph were joining in they might be a bit concerned. Look at the united front the entire media corps formed in 1997 to reflect overwhelming public opinion, that’s what it takes for them to be influenced by the media, not a couple of stories in papers with a republican readership.

If they can’t get him at Windsor , there is no chance at Balmoral !
I live quite near and the estate is massive and well protected .

@Roussette
To some extent the teflon coating of the RF would bother me less if the modus operandi of the media was just to ignore bad behaviour like with Russia cousin and PA. However with Meghan it was 4 years going on the offensive and dripping "acceptable racism" daily into public discourse. And to be honest it worked, racists loved it and nostalgic royalist wouldn't see it because it was from everywhere.
They have taken the same proactive approach with PA: throw mud at the victims and focus on how sad mummy must be and whether he can play dress up on the balcony at the parade. Unfortunately no one is buying the editorial line apart from ardent misogynists.

I repeat the other stories about Russia cousin and william interfering in Scottish politics with Gordon brown and the exemptions from the 2010 Equalities Act because I know this will likely be the first time people are hearing about this. All these stories were reported in the last 6 months and aggressively covered up by the rota.
Why have you never heard of these stories?
Why were they deemed unimportant?
Why are we being directed to be constantly outraged by Meghan but forgiving of PA and Russian cousin?
Why can Mark Phillips hawk milk in China?
Why can Fergie write endless books?
Why can she live for free in the royal lodge?
Why can the Q facilitate PA dodging US justice?

I will keep banging on about this because the manipulation and propaganda is more obvious now. If you accept the official line on meghan you need to accept it all. If you want the queen you get tampon charlie and his mistress. This is the bargain.

Yes, if you want a monarchy, you do have to take the bad with the good. The Cornwalls have been married for 13 years @nottodaybatman, referring to her as a mistress is completely out of order. And it’s completely unnecessary to keep repeating your list.

We get it - you’re a rabid republican - you’re making this about far more than PA’s dubious morals. How is that of any use to the victims of Epstein’s vile enterprise?

It's relevant to understand why PA was protected and how it was done.
It is relevant to the victims to state that the victim blaming narratives are coordinated and part of standard rota behaviour.

Rabid republican because I am concerned with sponsored victim blaming and racism - ok I will own it. I do not think it is a price worth paying. I think this precisely because we are talking about children and real victims.

I bring up the other stories because it demonstrates a pattern of behaviour. If we cannot point out the patterns it is easy to gaslight and write people like me off as rabid republicans because I point out that the media facilitated and excused the cover up and stonewalling.

More like 16 years @Blossomtoes - longer than he was married to Diana!

But I digress. I can see the point @nottodaybatman is making. The issue is not just the allegations about Andrew but the way the RF control the narrative and manipulate the media. And when they aren't doing this, they hire spin doctors. Just look at how Camilla has gone from the most reviled woman in Britain (I exaggerate but still!) to a valued member of the RF. That wasn't down to her personal qualities - it was an expensive PR campaign!

KillingMeDeftly
“Just look at how Camilla has gone from the most reviled woman in Britain (I exaggerate but still!) to a valued member of the RF. That wasn't down to her personal qualities - it was an expensive PR campaign!”
I don’t totally agree with that . Yes, there was a lot of PR stuff done in the early days but Camilla has carved out a role for herself which she carries out without much fanfare . Her work with DA organisations has been widely praised as has her work with veterans’ families .

@CathyorClaire

Indeed, and Laurens Van Der Post
(Allegedly) Fathered a child with a 14 year old girl and is Prince Williams ‘God father’
What an unsavoury shower

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Roussette

The Court papers make interesting reading .
Question- do they have to be served on PA himself ? If so there is zero chance whilst he is staying at Balmoral .

They have to be served on him in person by December 7th. If it doesn't happen there's a chance the case could collapse.

As I said on the other thread I'm calling a skulk at Balmoral until Christmas.

What an unsavoury shower

Absolutely.

I look forward to GMs trial ‘in the fall’. I wonder if she will throw PA under the bus? He must be bricking it.

She's supposed to have said she will do all in her power to protect him. Personally I've always thought she will sing like a flock of canaries if it means avoiding even a second on her time.

I imagine his sweating problem is well and truly cured.

I agree @nottodaybatman and I have heard about all those facts, widely unreported, because I am always perplexed, puzzled and cross at how much shit is flung at H&M while the rest of it goes unnoticed and not talked about.
And believe me, there are very many people out there who feel the same. The tone is... yeah got you, they've put out a statement on something... but what about what is going on under your noses UK??

It's relevant to understand why PA was protected and how it was done
It is relevant to the victims to state that the victim blaming narratives are coordinated and part of standard rota behaviour

^^ This.

And it's not 'rabid republicanism'. I was honestly quite the royalist years ago, I really was. I once wrote a long post on another forum that talked about how great they were.

My view slowly but surely changed. Not any one single event, but a slow drip drip of me thinking.. 'hang on a minute, this is really not right or fair' on very many things and my view changed.

I know they're not going anywhere because the majority of the public love them too much, and I don't care whether they are there or not as long as they are fair and more transparent. I want a sea change when the queen goes and less opacity. faint hope

Camilla has carved out a role for herself which she carries out without much fanfare . Her work with DA organisations has been widely praised as has her work with veterans’ families

I entirely agree. It’s a thousand pities he didn’t marry her in the first place. It would have saved a world of pain. The media is pretty quiet about all the work she does and the same goes for the Wessexes, he’s among the hardest working of the lot of them and there’s rarely as much of a hint in the media that he even exists.

@CathyorClaire

I look forward to GMs trial ‘in the fall’. I wonder if she will throw PA under the bus? He must be bricking it.

She's supposed to have said she will do all in her power to protect him. Personally I've always thought she will sing like a flock of canaries if it means avoiding even a second on her time.

I imagine his sweating problem is well and truly cured.

ROFL at the sweating

The problem for PA is that, even if he were 100% innocent, what would he gain from going to a court in NY?

His case (given that it a he said/she said type trial) would have to be, in large part, based on undermining the veracity of VG’s testimony which, in turn, would be about her ‘character’.

And, of course, her lawyers will, in turn, put PA’s ‘character’ on trial, which would also not be pretty.

So, suppose he wins. Will the whole thing disappear? Will most posters on here welcome him back to the UK as an innocent man? Or will the narrative switch to him using his power and influence to bully an ‘innocent victim’ via powerful lawyers?

And that leaves aside an ambitious DA arresting him on criminal charges, for which he would only get limited bail (ankle bracelet plus having to stay in NY, probably).

@nottodaybatman ma’am, you are on fire. And of course, @Roussette you are putting in the hard work as usual along with other posters. Thank you to all for your articulate efforts 👏👏👏

@Blossomtoes
The reason the wessexes etc are not talked about is because the royal rota exists to protect the RF and big up the direct heirs to the throne. Therefore everyone else must be downplayed and ignored to allow Charles and William to be seen to be the biggest and the best.

Again this is a hereditary monarchy. The fact that Anne is a real work horse and Sophie is out there doing the work cannot and will not be highlighted. The others are only wheeled out because they need to cover up another less positive story or to put a spin on something.

This is the opposite of a meritocracy. PA is the worst case scenario in this system but this is not an aberration, this is the system working as intended.

The Maxwell trial will be fascinating, the Epstein web spreads far and wide. Agree PA and a number of individuals will be sweating.

The reason the wessexes etc are not talked about is because the royal rota exists to protect the RF and big up the direct heirs to the throne. Therefore everyone else must be downplayed and ignored to allow Charles and William to be seen to be the biggest and the best

Then the same applies to PA. You can’t have it both ways. 🤷‍♀️

@Blossomtoes

I agree with you here. PA was ignored and downplayed for years.

Then the 2019 newsnight interview and Epstein's suicide brought PA to attention. Nonetheless the same play book of ignoring him as much as possible was implemented.

For some reason the rota and RF changed tack at the end of 2020. Articles discrediting Virginia appeared. Then after the civil suit all rota affiliated media framed the story as heartache for the Q and explaining why PA would likely avoid civil case etc.

I know we do not agree on all things but the change in approach to PA is so noticeable and bonkers. People do not like him. He is 9th in line to the throne and ignoring his activities has largely worked. Why is the RF aggressively protecting him and putting the rota to work? It is such a valid question and I so agree with you in wondering why.

Camilla Tominey has said courtiers etc contact her with ideas for stories. When she wrote that Virginia was a prostitute on the game for years in December 2020 that must have been instigated from somewhere. It was a very aggressive stance to take.

PA might well have been ignored (given his past behaviour, he's been very lucky on that, and that's why he has got away with so so much) but the Newsnight interview was a different ballgame.

It was so extremely awful that it just could not be ignored at the time. There had to be media on that. he hoped he was putting a lid on it by doing that interview, no doubt the queen and the rest of them hopd that too.
So ridiculous for Andrew to be so out of touch and so arrogant to imagine that would put the whole thing to bed. Incredible.

@Blossomtoes @Roussette
The interview was awful and the RF could have put him out to pasture, stripped his patronage like with Harry and let the rota etc rip him to shreds but they didn't.

Given what we know about the Windsors it is all about protecting the institution and positive PR for the direct heirs. I do not know how PA fits into that dynamic but the RF are spending a lot of goodwill to protect him so he must be sitting on something important.

Absolutely @Roussette, that interview was his downfall without a shadow of a doubt. What a fool he was to agree to it and to under estimate the magnificent Emily Maitlis.