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Prince Andrew sued by Virginia Roberts ll

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Blossomtoes · 18/08/2021 14:01

Continued from previous thread

OP posts:
nottodaybatman · 20/08/2021 23:10

@myheartskippedabeat
PA's lawyers that your taxes have been paying for are stonewalling the FBI and ignoring Virginia's lawyers for years
Cressida Dick OBE and the Met decided not to investigate because reasons, but now it is getting a bit embarrassing for them, they are going to look into it again
And the queen is hiding PA in balmoral where he cannot be served legal papers

OverByYer · 20/08/2021 23:31

[quote Roussette]In case anyone is interested, here are the official court papers served on PA,or about to be served

storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.1.0.pdf[/quote]
Thanks for sharing.
It’s even more shocking, written down like
that.
I look forward to GMs trial ‘in the fall’. I wonder if she will throw PA under the bus? He must be bricking it.

DuncinToffee · 20/08/2021 23:51

You can find other cases Virginia has filed on courtlistener too. Just search her name.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

TheReluctantPhoenix · 21/08/2021 06:54

PA may be laying low but Dershowitz, who also claims not to have met Giuffre, is countersuing her for defamation and has filed a motion of discovery to open up various documents relating to what happened.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2019/11/08/alan-dershowitz-countersues-accuser-jeffrey-epstein-case-then-is-sued-by-david-boies/%3foutputType=amp

Roussette · 21/08/2021 07:04

What I don't understand tho is if there is all these accusations why hasn't Pa been brought in for questioning and why is this whole thing being dragged out for such a long time

That's what the world wants to know. He is in the UK. This is filed in the US.
He and his legal team are, up until now, ignoring it. But a civil lawsuit has now been filed.

Reluctant I know that about Dershowitz. Let's see how far his lawsuit goes.

In case anyone doesn't know who he is...
"Dershowitz, who became a household name when he defended OJ Simpson in his murder trial, had been friends with Epstein in the late 1990s and early 200s. He was also part of Epstein's legal team that brokered the lenient plea deal in 2008 that allowed the convicted sex offender to spend just 13 months in county jail while working from home for days"

Roussette · 21/08/2021 07:09

I wonder if she will throw PA under the bus? He must be bricking it

'Friends' says she won't. But the charges are hefty. She has spent quite some time jailed and has tried multiple times for bail, and has complained about the conditions.
The thought of being there for years might just mean that the decades long friendship she has with PA means nothing when it comes to saving her skin

chaosrabbitland · 21/08/2021 07:23

@Roussette

so has this guy been arrested and tried in court , i find it odd that shes made these accusations then about all these men ,, surely some of them should have been arrested and tried in court for raping her no ?

God alive, give me strength. You do know don't you that Epstein hung himself?

How easy would it be then?

Answer me.

so epsteins dead , but if the police had hard evidence on prince andrew and the rest of the men shes alleging raped her i would have thought they would have made arrests by now , but they havent ,so its just down to what she says happened , but no evidence at all really , because whatever happened it was years ago , its only going to be if theres anything relating to the maxwell trial ,
TheReluctantPhoenix · 21/08/2021 07:34

The thing is Giuffre has also accused the owner of Hilton hotels (whose name she forgets, although she called him ‘Dick’ which is the correct first name)), a U.S senator (George Mitchell) and a Nobel prize winning scientist, alongside Prince Andrew and Dershowitz.

Of course, the whole story is remarkable and it could be true. On the other hand, it is traditional to have to prove allegations. We know where the Met got to with ‘it is highly credible and true’ without actually testing the evidence.

Like you I am curious as to where the civil cases go, but I apply the same standards to Giuffre as to Dershowitz.

Giuffre was, certainly, a victim. What her status is now, however, is more in question. She is no longer a child, knows the value of her claims, and has access to top US lawyers.

Being a victim does not buy you infinite credibility, especially after admitting ‘misremembering’ facts several times. Who would remember themselves being 15 when they were actually 17? Don’t you remember how old you were when you got your first job or had important first experiences (good or bad)?

Why has PA not been charged with a criminal offence in the US? I don’t believe the royal family has any influence or power to stop this.

I am very open minded about the whole PA thing. He is certainly scuzzy, but was that really a surprise to anyone? Whether he is a criminal, however, is a matter for the courts and I am quaintly old fashioned in that I actually believe that we should consider someone innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

Roussette · 21/08/2021 07:41

So... you think that the FBI have the power to storm over here, arrest PA, and drag him from Balmoral in handcuffs?

Your post is naive at best,but more likely you are goading and victim blaming.

I will repeat... Epstein was up on charges of sex trafficking, sex with minors... he faced 45 years in prison. He killed himself. Which meant that all his victims had their chance of seeing him jailed was taken away.

Here is what one victim said, she was recruited outside high school, she was 15 at the time.

“I am angry Jeffrey Epstein won’t have to face his survivors of his abuse in court," she said in a statement. "We have to live with the scars of his actions for the rest of our lives, while he will never face the consequences of the crimes he committed, the pain and trauma he caused so many people. Epstein is gone, but justice must still be served. I hope the authorities will pursue and prosecute his accomplices and enablers, and ensure redress for his victims.”

Your 'whatever happened it was years ago' is disgusting.

People live with sexual abuse for the rest of their lives.

You need to think about what you are posting.

SpindleWhorl · 21/08/2021 07:42

Don’t you remember how old you were when you got your first job or had important first experiences (good or bad)?

No, I don't recall when I got first job(s). I'd have to take a guess at how old I was when I did babysitting, worked in a particular shop, etc, when I was a pre-teen and teenager. I recall details of the jobs e.g. I once served Clement Freud, and even a book I was reading, but not my age.

Roussette · 21/08/2021 07:48

I am quaintly old fashioned in that I actually believe that we should consider someone innocent until proved guilty in a court of law

This is a civil case. Not a court of law.

I never remember my age at the time of events, despite remembering the events very clearly.

I was assaulted (groped and kissed) by a medical professional when I was young. I was between the age of 17 and 21, I don't know how old I was at the time given I'm ancient now. I remember the event like it was yesterday though.

KillingMeDeftly · 21/08/2021 07:48

Going back to Camilla Tominey for a moment - is it her who's written numerous derisive articles about Meghan and Kate and recently accused Harry and Meghan fans of threatening her? Yet she wrote an article in defence of Andrew, whose antics are far worse than anything the two duchesses have ever done? There really is something rotten in the state of the relationship between the royals and the press.

Roussette · 21/08/2021 07:51

CT is appalling. Yes she accused H&M 'fans' of threatening her, yet when the threat was investigated, where it came from was very dubious and she dropped the whole thing. I'll say no more.

Harry was so so right when he talked about the r/ship between the RF and the press in the OW interview.

Yes, rotten.

Sportysporty · 21/08/2021 08:34

@myheartskippedabeat

What I don't understand tho is if there is all these accusations why hasn't Pa been brought in for questioning and why is this whole thing being dragged out for such a long time
This is the whole point of the thread 😂 How money and privilege has been used to suppress thease allegations for decades. An American judge years ago disallowed loads of evidance againt PA given by V on the presmiss of essentially that he was royal and she was only after his money
Sportysporty · 21/08/2021 08:37

'' Judge orders Prince Andrew sex allegations struck from court record'' Guardian article 2015

nottodaybatman · 21/08/2021 08:48

Camilla Tominey is interesting insofar in that she is not unique. There are photos of her meeting and greeting PA. But we know all the royal rota reporters are chummy with the RF.

The British media moved as a unit against Harry and Meghan and they then moved as a unit to defend PA. They also moved as a unit to ignore the cousin selling access to the Russians. They also moved as a unit to not discuss the Q and households being exempt from discrimination legislation. This cannot be an organic editorial stance - someone is directing it. It is obvious now because of the panicked way the media are trying to spin and redirect all these stories in the space of a few months.
They are gaslighting us.

nottodaybatman · 21/08/2021 08:59

Also I recommend that people read the royal rota articles. The tone is really off compared to the rest of the articles in the newspaper.
Even if you think the editorial stances are perfectly acceptable the underpinning assumptions for the various stories and spin are
Racism
Victim Blaming
Down playing and aggressively giving the benefit of the doubt
Ignoring all together

Which other celebrity / government official is consistently treated like this in a normal democratic country by the BBC, the spectator, the Times, sky news, the Telegraph etc for years.

KidneyBeans · 21/08/2021 09:00

@chaosrabbitland
so epsteins dead , but if the police had hard evidence on prince andrew and the rest of the men shes alleging raped her i would have thought they would have made arrests by now , but they havent ,so its just down to what she says happened , but no evidence at all really , because whatever happened it was years ago , its only going to be if theres anything relating to the maxwell trial ,

You are aware the FBI want to question him and he's refusing to cooperate?

It's not just the specifics of this case you're ignorant of but the legal system more generally, if you think it's common for law enforcement to arrest suspects before they've been interviewed Confused

KidneyBeans · 21/08/2021 09:03

@Sportysporty

'' Judge orders Prince Andrew sex allegations struck from court record'' Guardian article 2015
Yes they were struck from a case to join a lawsuit against Epstein as immaterial because the factual details of who she had sec with weren't relevant to that particular argument. What is your point @Sportysporty ?
Oldbutstillgotit · 21/08/2021 09:10

@ Roussette

The Court papers make interesting reading .
Question- do they have to be served on PA himself ? If so there is zero chance whilst he is staying at Balmoral .

SpindleWhorl · 21/08/2021 09:12

Today's Guardian:

Prince Andrew’s reputation damaged for ever by Giuffre claims, experts say

Lawyers say Duke of York has lost in court of public opinion and is unlikely to engage with civil case in US

I was up early at 5am and it was a prominent piece. Not any more, last time I looked.

Anyway, it's an interesting analysis of his potential strategies and how he's likely to stay silent forever.

nottodaybatman · 21/08/2021 09:26

The last time a BBC article was written about Prince Andrew was on the 12 August.

Piers morgan has written precisely 1 article about PA since the court case was revealed, and I believe 6 in total about PA.

Both the BBC and Piers Morgan wrote and discussed more the name of meghan and Harry's daughter than they have about a cross border child sex trafficking ring in which PA is accused and has been stonewalling for YEARS.

Why would Piers Morgan, Camilla Tominey etc and the BBC take the same approach to such a big international story?

There is and was public interest in PA yet only the guardian is looking at this. The Guardian and Independent are the only broadsheets I believe that do not have royal rota writer on payroll - ie no direct reciprocal relationship with the RF.
Coincidentally they are the only major outlets to not tow the party line on:
Meghan
Russian access cousin
William meeting gordon brown in Scotland
Q negotiating exemptions from environmental and discrimination laws
PA and his protection by mummy

nottodaybatman · 21/08/2021 09:33

More importantly why do Piers Morgan, Camilla Tominey and the BBC consistently take the exact same approach on all royal stories.

We can all agree Piers has an unhealthy and negative fixation on Meghan but in general he follows in own path for politics etc, Camilla works for a right wing publication but the BBC is neutral. Yet they all move in lock step... the same talking points, the same focus on the same narratives, ignoring the same stories for years re the RF.

OverByYer · 21/08/2021 09:41

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Roussette

The Court papers make interesting reading .
Question- do they have to be served on PA himself ? If so there is zero chance whilst he is staying at Balmoral .

They tried to serve papers on him at Windsor apparently. There were agents waiting to catch him out riding in Windsor Park. However Andrew appeared to have left ‘early’ to go to Balmoral. Tipped off I guess. It’s all very murky indeed.
Roussette · 21/08/2021 09:56

Papers cannot be served if he is in the company of the Queen, according to some law or other.
He might be at Balmoral for a while...