Prince Andrew sued by Virginia Roberts ll

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Continued from previous thread

Well I imagine when the holidays are over and the rota need to be fed good stories it will start to get awkward.

H&M hate stories are tenuous now they have left and people know that they are published to distract from the tax payer funded RF. The coordinated PA editorial line isn't working and the refusal to strip patronages after the speed they were removed from Harry looks very odd indeed.

The rota will need something bigger to stop them discussing PA. I sense the Cambridges, Wessexes (plus all kids) et al will suddenly be photographed everywhere with breathless enthusiasm from September. But there will need to be another whipping boy from within the fold aided and abetted by those selectively chatty royal sources.

This is quite cheering from The Sunday Telegraph today though.

Prince Andrew memorabilia 'unsellable at any price' due to Epstein scandal

Collectors and auctioneers describe a noticeable downturn in the market for items related to the Prince of York

I hope the 'senior palace aides' have a lovely November, because even people like me - who originally thought H&M behaved badly - are having the scales fall from their eyes.

I still don't like H&M's style of verbiage and I think they've been very misguided at times, but I'm starting to understand a lot more about why they fucked off like they did.

And I'll not be manipulated by 'senior palace aides' in cahoots with shameless journalists.

It's interesting isn't it, and creates a bigger question of the role of the queen in the monarchy.

I would suggest that generally over her reign she has been very good at putting duty first and making difficult decisions but she clearly has a real blind spot when it comes to Andrew. It seems as if she is absolutely willing to risk the reputation and credibility of the Royal family to protect her son, and is absolutely putting her personal feelings before her royal duties.

Her obvious and public support of him is so tasteless, she clearly has no understanding of how he is perceived. For someone so duty-focussed to spend the end of her reign sheltering an alleged sex offender because of family favouritism is really sad and demonstrates why the monarchy just doesn't work

Just because we haven’t seen photos of members of the RF doesn’t mean they aren’t, or haven’t been, at Balmoral . The Press tend to leave them alone plus it is such a huge estate included vast swathes of moorland that is perfectly possible to remain out of sight . Also, as I have said before the locals are fiercely protective of HM.
Usually the RF would attend the local church but I read that HM isn’t doing that this year so we may see even less of them .

That was in reply to KillingMeDeftly

@Oldbutstillgotit We usually see at least one grainy photo of the Wessexes or the Cambridges or the Tindalls arriving or heading out for a shoot but not this year.

Do we ? Anyway , there are very few grouse this year so hardly any shoots.

[quote KillingMeDeftly]@Oldbutstillgotit We usually see at least one grainy photo of the Wessexes or the Cambridges or the Tindalls arriving or heading out for a shoot but not this year. [/quote]
That does ring a bell actually. Lots of rangerovers.

All very murky. I guess HMQ is thinking of she does strip PA of his titles then it looks like they think he’s guilty?
If she doesn’t then as is shown she faces the wrath of the majority who do think he has something to hide. And he is literally hiding behind her skirt.
HMQ has backed herself into a very awkward corner here.
If PA had any respect for his mother and the institution he’d get himself to court and front it out. He’s a big coward.

If it was just a mother shielding her son, while not my choice it would be understandable. However the mother has used her position as Q to leverage the rota to launch aggressive victim blaming narratives in the press.

The problem with the monarchy is its need for good PR and the lengths that they will go to with the rota to secure it. The RF need to prop up the Q and direct heirs.
This is done with fluff pieces (boring and harmless), ignoring bad behaviour (hypocritical) and the cutting down to size of those further down the queue (nasty and more recently distinctly racist)

Slimming down the monarchy will not actually help because those on the tax payer payroll don't really have proper jobs. The ribbon cutting and photo ops are artificial. Their true job is to maintain the popularity of the institution and the heirs. Unfortunately Anne or Sophie don't sell papers - even though they are taxpayer funded and holding up their end of the bargain. I cannot see the rota being satisfied reporting on the middle aged cambridges, the wessexes etc and occasionally their kids.

While the Q is burning through goodwill, I imagine when she passes there will be collective amnesia. Charles isn't as well liked and his slimmed down monarchy plans will put huge pressure on those still getting the funding. Also those thrown off the tax payer teat will struggle, they are not employable and most of the wealth (opaque as it is, is concentrated around the Q and those with private incomes)

Agree. I’m ambivalent towards Charles but I don’t think he will tolerate PA’s nonsense so that may be one good thing when Charles succeeds ( as I doubt it will be sorted by then even)

@OverByYer
I think Charles will continue to protect PA
Both Charles and William moved with speed to strip Harry of all patronages.
This publicly blew up in 2019 and none of them found the time to circle the wagons and strip a few perks. I call BS.

PA is sitting on something that could hurt the broader institution.

I predict yet another MN thread about the evils of the Sussexes before the day is out! Those fill up far quicker than the Andrew ones too

Yes to this. M&H only have to open their mouths and MN goes wild with disgust.

I still don't like H&M's style of verbiage and I think they've been very misguided at times, but I'm starting to understand a lot more about why they fucked off like they did

And this I agree with. H&M really don't help themselves at times but hooray and well done to them for getting out of it. It makes it quite telling when MM said about the RF .... I came to under-stand that not only was I not being protected, but they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband

Says it all to me. I imagine that refers to Andrew. However I really really don't want to divert the thread onto H&M and away from PA.

PA is sitting on something that could hurt the broader institution

I agree with this. No idea what it could be. But the Queen whilst protecting the institution with her last breath, is not stupid, surely she is being advised that public opinion on PA is in the gutter.

It makes it quite telling when MM said about the RF .... ^"I came to understand that not only was I not being protected, but they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband"

They have got to have some beans to spill on PA, surely?!

@SpindleWhorl
Are you able to paste that Times article please

I'm so sorry, @BeaucoupFish, I can't post links on this device. Could you try googling it? Might be the quickest way.

Spindle course they have. Betcha. And that sentence to me confirms that.
Because what other member of the RF did they protect? Has to be PA

I wouldn't be surprised if M feels like she's rescued H from a cult.

@SpindleWhorl

I'm so sorry, *@BeaucoupFish*, I can't post links on this device. Could you try googling it? Might be the quickest way.

Thank you I just did that and found an Express article about it Who would want a slice of their wedding cake anyway ? Totally baffling !😂

@BeaucoupFish I posted the full text of the Times article last night so if you scroll up you can read it.

One of the little ironies is that protection of the heirs and sacrificing of the others to the rota for their shortcomings real and perceived has created a very amusing dynamic.

The protected heirs are boring, their images are too curated and as they age it is impossible to sustain interest. Their wives when young and beautiful help sustain interest but the cambridges are moving into middle age now.

But back on topic I don't think the younger royals - cambridge or sussex know anything in particular about Andrew. The Epstein antics happened when they were either in university or in Afghanistan. I think the broader PA issues are linked to royal finance or the Q or Charles as individuals. Whatever happened in 2020 that caused the family and rota to change tactics, I cannot imagine there being a family gathering to discuss PA and definitely not with the Sussexes who were out the door at that point.

Ironically by going so hard and fast at harry and meghan they look like hypocrites when dragging their feet over Andrew.

[quote KillingMeDeftly]@BeaucoupFish I posted the full text of the Times article last night so if you scroll up you can read it.[/quote]
Thank you very much !

The only person I genuinely believe knows anything outside Q and Charles is Fergie. She lives rent free and gets up to all sorts of oddness, yet she is never truly cutoff despite being divorced in the 90s.

[quote KillingMeDeftly]@BeaucoupFish I posted the full text of the Times article last night so if you scroll up you can read it.[/quote]
Sorry I forgot you'd done that! Too sleepy ...