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I want to kick DS out TODAY? Totally devastated by what he’s been saying about us.

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FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:01

Sorry this is really long but I feel so betrayed and devastated and furious!

This lunchtime as I was sitting on the sofa I noticed a phone on the other arm of it, assumed it was DH’s as he’s off today but noticed the screen was open on what looked like a long message rather than being black and locked. I thought was odd so picked it up out of curiosity.

It was actually DS’s (19) phone, they both have Samsung phones. His phone obviously had been set not to time out.

He had been in a convo with his best friend about moving out, as he’s going to University in September, which apparently he’s desperate to do as we are very abusive to him and exploiting him for money (this was his friend saying this!).

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

We also never support him and make him feel like shit about himself apparently.

We had have major issues with DS for many years due to extreme laziness and screen addiction. He is also very arrogant and argumentative, knows everything and is always right and other the last few years has become very aggressive and shouty when asked to do anything/called out on his behaviour, even with his younger brother.

We used to get constant calls from school about him not doing homework (even about falling asleep in class) and during his GCSE’s about him not completing coursework. He did much worse than expected but managed to get enough to do his A levels which he wanted to do. I actually tried to dissuade him from doing them as I knew it would be a nightmare to keep him focused after the stress of his GCSE’s but he insisted he wanted to do them and promised he would work hard.

We found out mid way through the course that he was flunking them and his tutor didn’t think it worth him continuing as he was constantly on his phone in class and not doing the work. So a whole year wasted.

Then he decided he wanted to do a BTEC about something he was passionate about so we supported him in that but again I constantly had to get him up in the morning, he was slow to finish his work and wasn’t handing stuff in on time. I had calls just before he was due to finish with concerns he was forecast for a Pass when he needed a Merit to get into Uni and that he hadn’t bothered to attend his English GCSE resit as he’d overslept! Lots of stress at home about this and constantly being on his back about doing the work. Still there were many times he didn’t even bother to go in and I’m amazed he got the Merit!

He also lost his part time job, which was a condition of him doing his BTEC for us as there was extra course fees and materials needed and I told him he had to pay them himself as it was his choice to do the course and be at college for an extra year. He lost that job within 6 months as he couldn’t get up to go to it and wasted all the cash on online gaming anyway!

When I say couldn’t get up, this was an evening job so he started at around 6pm! As he’d be up all night gaming, he’d stumble into college and then go to bed as soon as he got home in the afternoon! On weekends he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. I’d have to go to get up him and drive him there but gave up in the end as he was just taking the piss!

He hasn’t been able to get another job since last March despite me telling him from last year that if he wanted to go to Uni, he needed to get a part time job to save for the accommodation as we have no spare cash to subsidise him (and I didn’t want to with his track record).

There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone (which we still pay for) or get his headphones off his head as he’s woken us up during the night shouting and swearing while gaming. Many times he has woken DH up at 3/4am and DH has a job where he can’t go into work tired!

Since he finished college, he literally sleeps all day and stays up all night. I have offered to pay for gym membership for him (have paid in the past but he ended up not going), given him cash to go out with his mates, tried to get him up and encourage him to do something but he will often sneak back to bed. I’ve looked up jobs for him to apply for for the summer, driven him to interviews, had to drag him out of bed to get ready. He’s even missed interviews by being asleep.

We’ve taken the WiFi but he just plays downloaded games.

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles. His mates have also heard us shouting at him to shut up while he’s been online gaming with them as he’s so loud and also to get off the game for dinner or to do a chore he’s been asked to do. He often leaves his dinner on the side for hours after we’ve cooked for him and the other night we got him down to eat it but he left it on the table untouched and went back to bed! We come down in the morning to dirty glasses and plates left lying about. He rarely showers or brushes his teeth. He does nothing around the house.

We are at our wits end but had no choice but to support him to go to Uni as what else is he going to do? He can’t even get a part time job in a cafe!

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

I recently paid over £200 for contact lenses which he can’t be bothered to put in, despite saying he wanted them. He has also lost two bikes over the last year by not bothering to chain them up. One was his Dad’s and he had to buy a new one, so we’ve said he can pay us back for that. He also got into an accident due to not looking where he was going and we had to pay for the damage to the car so he owes us for that. I gave him £100 a few weeks ago to buy clothes. So including all the £20 here and there, it’s probably over £1000 he’s had off us which I want back from his first maintenance loan and I think is reasonable. He’ll get around £2800.

He will only have train fare to Uni to pay so will have plenty for going out but apparently we are ‘exploiting’ him for money!

We are not well off as I have had to be a SAHM due to his brother being disabled so we have really struggled financially but always made sure he had everything he needed but apparently he’s embarrassed at us as we are ‘poor’ and all his mates parents are paying for their Uni accommodation and paid for their cars etc!

We have tried so hard to support him while coping with his brother and 2 other DC whilst he has been making himself out to be a victim to his mates and behaving disgracefully at home.

I have told him to pack his stuff and ask his mate if he can crash with him and I wash my hands of him. He’s in bed asleep right now!

I just cannot believe he actually thinks we are abusive to him Angry. I can’t stop crying.

OP posts:
alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:22

Panickingpavlova

bitter? I am horrified by some of the comments, why do you need to be goady and call me "bitter"?

The OP is clearly worried about the kids future and trying to help him do something. Why turning that into an "investment"?

The only one who will end up suffering in the long term is the 19 year old. Patting him on the back pretending his behaviour is remotely acceptable is not helping.

Deathsquito · 12/08/2021 17:24

Of course, we are all perfect parents that never ever lose our shit and should make her feel like an abuser for daring to come on here to ask for help.

I just don’t understand this attitude.

Of course I’ve ‘lost my patience’ as a parent. So has every parent.

But ‘losing patience’ has never resulted in me physically assaulting my dc, ripping anything off their head or throwing water at them to wake them up and quite frankly NOT assaulting my dc hardly makes me or anyone bloody Mother Teresa.

This thread is a little depressing, I thought not having violence at home was a basic standard, not a ‘holier than thou’ one.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:24

[quote Kanaloa]@alltheemptyfields

I disagree. I think it is abusive. There is no justification for this type of behaviour in my opinion, and I think it reflects very badly on op.[/quote]
I get you disagree

but you are not coming up with a lot of alternative suggestions?

Let him sleep and bring him breakfast in bed maybe?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

wewereliars · 12/08/2021 17:25

longwayoff I feel sorry for any kids you have...That behaviour would be completely unforgiveable

Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 17:26

Because all the empty fields I find the way your write sounds bitter like you have an axe to grind

thelegohooverer · 12/08/2021 17:26

ADHD came to mind reading your OP, there’s a pretty good symptom checker here.

I think you’re approaching the money in the wrong way. Essentially you’re demanding a refund for what you perceive as money wasted on him. Honestly that would make me dig my heels in too. It would be more reasonable to charge rent or keep, or even divert money into a savings account for him.

Darklane · 12/08/2021 17:27

I think the best thing for him would be for him to attend a university away from home so that he learns to stand on his own two feet.
If he does live at home then you could support him in not charging him for board or food but nothing else. His grant is to pay for his maintenance, he’d already be at an advantage over paying out rent or hall fees, so he needs to pay for everything else he needs or wants, phone, clothes, travel etc. Then I wouldn’t bother if he chooses to stay in bed, stay up all night. Don’t give yourself the headache. He’ll soon get short shrift from the university if he isn’t attending or keeping up with course work.

Kanaloa · 12/08/2021 17:28

@alltheemptyfields

The alternative to assaulting your child? Speak to them. If they don’t come to dinner leave them to sort their own dinner. If they don’t wake up tell them ‘you will be late’ then when they’re late they learn from that. Allow them their privacy when talking to friends, explain that there are rules (no noise late at night from gaming etc) and if these aren’t adhered to then wifi will be withdrawn.

But reacting aggressively and violently? Absolutely unacceptable in my life. Would never allow or condone it.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:28

@Panickingpavlova

Because all the empty fields I find the way your write sounds bitter like you have an axe to grind
if you cannot even tolerate someone having a different point of view, put an interesting light on your comments to the OP
Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 17:28

She's not helping him at all I bet he feels like hopeless and miserable and doesn't know what to to or how tk do it.
When a child does badly at school we don't get bad tempered we find out why, we encourage and praise the small things, build them up.. Ignore what we can ignore and keep being positive.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:29

If they don’t wake up tell them ‘you will be late’ then when they’re late they learn from that.

doesn't seem that the kid who has failed exam, lost jobs etc.. is learning a lot from being "late".

Very helpful. Hmm

FleasInMyKnees · 12/08/2021 17:30

I would check the uni website to see if he would qualify for any financial help and encourage him to live in Halls, he sounds very unhappy and is also digging his heels in the mire you argue. Leaving home and moving to a safe environment might be good for all of you, maybe he would like to join the military, what interests does he have, what course is he doing.

SixesAndEights · 12/08/2021 17:30

With regarding pouring water over him, can anyone suggest other ways in which to get an adult out of bed without violence?

He's an adult. He can get himself out of bed.

I guess I should have just left him there, so I got done by the truancy officer and he got kicked out of college then?

Yes. Then he'll start to realise actions have consequences.

He's never had to face up to anything because you've done it all for him. Leave him to it now.

Summerbreeze4 · 12/08/2021 17:30

He sounds very difficult and you have done a huge amount for him.

That said I don’t think you can ask him for money from his student loan to pay for past ‘gifts’. His student loan is a loan and not free money.

However, moving forward I think he needs to go away to uni, it will absolutely not work him living at home and you need to make this clear.
If he can’t change unis now then he needs to rent and get a job to pay for it. Students drink at a lot, party was lot and sleep in the day and this is not conducive with family life.

You need to sit him down and show him your post and then explain that whilst you love him and will continue to support him emotionally you cammot finance him through uni.

There will be bursaries he can apply for which are not repayable if you are slow income family. This will help his living costs.

wewereliars · 12/08/2021 17:30

He has got into university, more than a lot manage, and even that seems to irritate the OP

Kanaloa · 12/08/2021 17:30

@alltheemptyfields

And what has he learned from the tussles and the water? You continue to twist yourself in knots trying to justify abuse but it’s not for me.

Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 17:31

There are many posters with a different point of view but your comments about "mummy/bringing him breakfast in bed " etc sound a little bitter to me.
Just an observation

It's easy to jump on threads like this and declare lazy insolent child, what a wastrel.. How awful but actually he sounds like he's in a massive rut, a hole and is depressed.

Do you think a normal teen would choose this life??

Viviennemary · 12/08/2021 17:31

Pouring water over him is abusive.

forrestgreen · 12/08/2021 17:31

Is it a gaming degree?

IMO he doesn't owe you any back money but starting from now he's on he's own feet and needs to be aware of that.

Look on the calculator to see why he can't move into accommodation if you're a one income family the amount he receives will alter.

Turn the internet off when you go to bed, if he's playing online games he'll be quieter.

Try and support him into moving to accommodation. See if he can house share with friends etc

Stop shouting him more than once for a meal. Send him a text to say it's on the table for x o'clock. If he doesn't turn up, freeze it for another day or lunch tomorrow.

He's growing up and needs to be treated properly.

YanTanTethera123 · 12/08/2021 17:31

Pour cold water on them whilst they are asleep? Which can cause heart attacks by the way due to the shock
Bullshit.
I really feel for you OP, I’m not surprised that you’re at the end of your tether. It seems like your son is taking the piss and really has no intention of being responsible, respectful or even pleasant to live with.
I would be asking him to leave if her were my DS as clearly he doesn’t like being at home and thinks life will be easier elsewhere (he’s in for a big wake up call there!)
I hope that things work out for you all.

Kitfish · 12/08/2021 17:32

@FeelingUtterlyBetrayed

With regarding pouring water over him, can anyone suggest other ways in which to get an adult out of bed without violence?

I guess I should have just left him there, so I got done by the truancy officer and he got kicked out of college then?

The tussles were mutual shoving I suppose trying to get the phone off him or get him off the PC with him pushing back.

No one else lost patience when a teen doesn’t come down for dinner, answer you calling them, or listen to anything you say as ‘I’ve got headphones on’ as if that’s something that’s out of their control?

Ok to shout and swear at 3am waking everyone up then refusing to take headphones off and get off game?

Hmm

Why bother to post on here if you don't want to listen to other people's views? Sounds like you are just looking for validation, not advice.

You are coming across as ever more unreasonable.

Jaguar77 · 12/08/2021 17:32

You pour water on him, have "tussles" whatever violent assault that is and you invade his privacy by " accidentally" reading his phone messages.

That sounds " abusive"

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:32

[quote Kanaloa]@alltheemptyfields

And what has he learned from the tussles and the water? You continue to twist yourself in knots trying to justify abuse but it’s not for me.[/quote]
I am not the one twisting myself in knots

I am shocked by the abuse the OP is getting, when people are unable to simply disagree but enjoy being nasty for the sake of it

and I cant' see how refusing to parent a child in real life is doing them any good, despite what people are making up.

If nothing else, sounds like the parents have not been strict enough and let the kid get away with far too much to reach that far.

50ShadesOfCatholic · 12/08/2021 17:32

No point in trying to shame the OP. She has already admitted to struggling horribly to the extent things have gotten physical, I'm sure she feels terrible.

It all sounds way too difficult and OP it sounds as though you, your dh and son have long been locked into a negative cycle.

This is going to continue unless someone makes a change.

It does sound as though he needs to leave the family home. It also sounds as though he is in a bad space mentally. The gaming addiction, the online gambling, the inattention to basic needs - this is not good, he must be feeling awful physically and mentally.

Obviously you are in a dark place too and his behaviour is causing immense stress on the whole family.

Try not to say too much in anger just now. He does need to go to give everyone space. Maybe then you could either write to him or calm down sufficiently to try to talk to him - and listen.

I think it could be helpful to acknowledge that things must be tough for him, that you love him (it may not feel like it today but I think you do), are extremely worried for his well-being, that you want to support him but are struggling because you feel hurt by his disrespectful behaviour ie. waking the family in the night and not picking up after himself.

He isn't going to magically change, he needs to figure some stuff out, but it will help him to hear that you love him, are worried, and for you to be honest about your limitations.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 17:33

Panickingpavlova

you are very goady, and keep trying to start a bunfight with personal attacks. Why is that?

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