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I want to kick DS out TODAY? Totally devastated by what he’s been saying about us.

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FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:01

Sorry this is really long but I feel so betrayed and devastated and furious!

This lunchtime as I was sitting on the sofa I noticed a phone on the other arm of it, assumed it was DH’s as he’s off today but noticed the screen was open on what looked like a long message rather than being black and locked. I thought was odd so picked it up out of curiosity.

It was actually DS’s (19) phone, they both have Samsung phones. His phone obviously had been set not to time out.

He had been in a convo with his best friend about moving out, as he’s going to University in September, which apparently he’s desperate to do as we are very abusive to him and exploiting him for money (this was his friend saying this!).

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

We also never support him and make him feel like shit about himself apparently.

We had have major issues with DS for many years due to extreme laziness and screen addiction. He is also very arrogant and argumentative, knows everything and is always right and other the last few years has become very aggressive and shouty when asked to do anything/called out on his behaviour, even with his younger brother.

We used to get constant calls from school about him not doing homework (even about falling asleep in class) and during his GCSE’s about him not completing coursework. He did much worse than expected but managed to get enough to do his A levels which he wanted to do. I actually tried to dissuade him from doing them as I knew it would be a nightmare to keep him focused after the stress of his GCSE’s but he insisted he wanted to do them and promised he would work hard.

We found out mid way through the course that he was flunking them and his tutor didn’t think it worth him continuing as he was constantly on his phone in class and not doing the work. So a whole year wasted.

Then he decided he wanted to do a BTEC about something he was passionate about so we supported him in that but again I constantly had to get him up in the morning, he was slow to finish his work and wasn’t handing stuff in on time. I had calls just before he was due to finish with concerns he was forecast for a Pass when he needed a Merit to get into Uni and that he hadn’t bothered to attend his English GCSE resit as he’d overslept! Lots of stress at home about this and constantly being on his back about doing the work. Still there were many times he didn’t even bother to go in and I’m amazed he got the Merit!

He also lost his part time job, which was a condition of him doing his BTEC for us as there was extra course fees and materials needed and I told him he had to pay them himself as it was his choice to do the course and be at college for an extra year. He lost that job within 6 months as he couldn’t get up to go to it and wasted all the cash on online gaming anyway!

When I say couldn’t get up, this was an evening job so he started at around 6pm! As he’d be up all night gaming, he’d stumble into college and then go to bed as soon as he got home in the afternoon! On weekends he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. I’d have to go to get up him and drive him there but gave up in the end as he was just taking the piss!

He hasn’t been able to get another job since last March despite me telling him from last year that if he wanted to go to Uni, he needed to get a part time job to save for the accommodation as we have no spare cash to subsidise him (and I didn’t want to with his track record).

There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone (which we still pay for) or get his headphones off his head as he’s woken us up during the night shouting and swearing while gaming. Many times he has woken DH up at 3/4am and DH has a job where he can’t go into work tired!

Since he finished college, he literally sleeps all day and stays up all night. I have offered to pay for gym membership for him (have paid in the past but he ended up not going), given him cash to go out with his mates, tried to get him up and encourage him to do something but he will often sneak back to bed. I’ve looked up jobs for him to apply for for the summer, driven him to interviews, had to drag him out of bed to get ready. He’s even missed interviews by being asleep.

We’ve taken the WiFi but he just plays downloaded games.

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles. His mates have also heard us shouting at him to shut up while he’s been online gaming with them as he’s so loud and also to get off the game for dinner or to do a chore he’s been asked to do. He often leaves his dinner on the side for hours after we’ve cooked for him and the other night we got him down to eat it but he left it on the table untouched and went back to bed! We come down in the morning to dirty glasses and plates left lying about. He rarely showers or brushes his teeth. He does nothing around the house.

We are at our wits end but had no choice but to support him to go to Uni as what else is he going to do? He can’t even get a part time job in a cafe!

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

I recently paid over £200 for contact lenses which he can’t be bothered to put in, despite saying he wanted them. He has also lost two bikes over the last year by not bothering to chain them up. One was his Dad’s and he had to buy a new one, so we’ve said he can pay us back for that. He also got into an accident due to not looking where he was going and we had to pay for the damage to the car so he owes us for that. I gave him £100 a few weeks ago to buy clothes. So including all the £20 here and there, it’s probably over £1000 he’s had off us which I want back from his first maintenance loan and I think is reasonable. He’ll get around £2800.

He will only have train fare to Uni to pay so will have plenty for going out but apparently we are ‘exploiting’ him for money!

We are not well off as I have had to be a SAHM due to his brother being disabled so we have really struggled financially but always made sure he had everything he needed but apparently he’s embarrassed at us as we are ‘poor’ and all his mates parents are paying for their Uni accommodation and paid for their cars etc!

We have tried so hard to support him while coping with his brother and 2 other DC whilst he has been making himself out to be a victim to his mates and behaving disgracefully at home.

I have told him to pack his stuff and ask his mate if he can crash with him and I wash my hands of him. He’s in bed asleep right now!

I just cannot believe he actually thinks we are abusive to him Angry. I can’t stop crying.

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Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 12/08/2021 19:05

Honestly I would back off. It's his life and he's an adult. Bring an adult comes with responsibility. Set out ground rules and stick to them. He does his own laundry. Cooks his own food. WiFi off if he's waking his dad in the middle of the night. Don't clear up after him. Put all dirty pots in a box in his room. Natural consequences for his actions. If he can't hack this he needs to move out. Great him like a lodger, polite but distant. Don't engage with disrespectful behaviour, walk away every time. If this isn't tenable then he needs to move out. Teenage boys can be absolute shits, they often don't have an ounce of empathy and their risk analysis and true understanding of consequences isn't developed fully until they're in their 20s. But that's no excuse for his rudeness. Don't get me wrong I don't think the way you've been handling it has been perfect. Why not turn off WiFi rather than tussel with him? I wouldn't have poured water over him either. Also he will need that maintoloan for uni you can't take it but that doesn't mean you write off what he owes you. Goodluck with it, it sounds very tough.

alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 19:05

Some posts read like rants from teenagers who angrily defend their right to be abusive and live off the bank of mum and dad without lifting a finger.

It's a free country, you can defend any position you like, however questionable, but some of the posts are just goady and vicious for the sake of it.

user16395699 · 12/08/2021 19:05

@FeelingUtterlyBetrayed

54321nought

I have sons this age.

I do feel quite upset for your son, just going by your own description of how you have treated him - no one deserves that

And please don't take his money, that is for his living expenses, which you are supposed to be topping up, not taking away from him

He is living at home! So I’m supposed to top up his loan which is supposed to be for living expenses, and pay them as well!

WTF! Are people on here really that stupid and unable to read?

Admit my wrong doing?

I’ll be totally honest. I don’t feel bad AT ALL for pouring a bit of water on my adult son’s head to get him out of bed to get to college after several attempts at getting him up when I already had a younger child and another teen with ASD and severe learning difficulties to get out of the house too!

If I hadn’t he wouldn’t have got into University now would he? Something that was apparently his dream. If he’d been kicked out of college, all that would happen would be him at home living off us and sleeping day, up all night playing games in his pants!

Nor do I feel bad about the ‘tussles’ which would never had happened if he hadn’t behaved like he does. He’s lucky we’ve never lamped him!

Flame away. I’m out. This thread is just bear baiting Wine.

Then I hope his friends support him to report you to the police so you can have some time to reflect while you are in prison.

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Kanaloa · 12/08/2021 19:06

@GetTaeFuck

Genuinely don’t think I was being aggressive? I just think it’s a hideous thing to say to be honest and smacks of an abuser minimising their abusive behaviour.

KurtWilde · 12/08/2021 19:06

Christ this OP just keeps digging herself a deeper hole. Lucky we never lamped him. Listen to yourself!

What a charmer Confused

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Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 19:07

All,

I have a different version of parenting and I've seen this situation play out from the all angles and what I know is, the way the op is handling this, won't lead to a good outcome.

As I mentioned previously with one dc we had issues around dinner time and the more knee jerk, neanderthal response is "little madam his dare she... Put her in her place and teach her manners" whilst the more considered response is, why.. Why is she getting bad tempered and storming out.

And it turned out it was simply misophina, I'd never heard of it but certain people are triggered by some people's eating noises or other noises...

We agreed she could leave as and when she needed and we can laugh about it now.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 12/08/2021 19:07

"Lucky we never lamped him"

Says it all really.

I'm out too OP. Hope your son can find support in his friends and has a great experience at university and makes a better life for himself.

GetTaeFuck · 12/08/2021 19:07

[quote Kanaloa]@GetTaeFuck

Genuinely don’t think I was being aggressive? I just think it’s a hideous thing to say to be honest and smacks of an abuser minimising their abusive behaviour.[/quote]
Ah sorry, no I totally agree, I meant another PP had called me aggressive.

fatboyslimschin · 12/08/2021 19:07

@Kanaloa

I mean, would anyone on this thread say that about their kids? He’s lucky we’ve never lamped him? Jesus.
user16395699 · 12/08/2021 19:07

@alltheemptyfields

Some posts read like rants from teenagers who angrily defend their right to be abusive and live off the bank of mum and dad without lifting a finger.

It's a free country, you can defend any position you like, however questionable, but some of the posts are just goady and vicious for the sake of it.

The op is the one angrily defending her right to be abusive, mate.
alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 19:08

report you to the police so you can have some time to reflect while you are in prison.

The police is always so quick to jump on a parent confiscating their kids device!

Kanaloa · 12/08/2021 19:09

@GetTaeFuck

Ah, okay! Honestly can’t understand how so many people think this is acceptable. It’s a horrible situation and I’d feel ashamed of myself as a mum if that’s what I’d resorted to.

SaharaFlower · 12/08/2021 19:09

@fatboyslimschin : I have no expectation of the police to have an interest in familial abuse. This is a world wanting quick results. Sad

fatboyslimschin · 12/08/2021 19:09

OP is vicious

Wow - kettle calling the pot black there. You should read some of your posts, they are nasty.

GetTaeFuck · 12/08/2021 19:09

@fatboyslimschin

OP is vicious

Wow - kettle calling the pot black there. You should read some of your posts, they are nasty.

Will never be sorry for being nasty to someone who’s abusing their child.
stepupandbecounted · 12/08/2021 19:09

The only thing that is worse than op's lack of reflection and awareness and the distressing abuse she is dishing out to her son is the sheer volume of people supporting such terrible action.

No wonder there are so many problems in this country, if people truly believe it is ever acceptable to pour water on someone sleeping and pushing and shoving is part of normal parenting Shock

It is absolutely shocking.

It is abuse through and through, minimised by words like 'tussle' condoned because he is 'lazy' and 'feckless' and so many negative descriptions about the poor lad, who despite it all managed to get a place in a London university!!

There is such a thing as karma op, and he won't always be a young and vulnerable young man needing you, one day he will grow and mature and you may very well need to answer to him in the future, when the shoe is on the other foot and you are old and grey and lonely.

I wish him every success and happiness - and that belongs to him, for finally seeing the light and getting some support. Bless him.

BluebellsGreenbells · 12/08/2021 19:10

At what point are you actually going to treat him like an adult?

You throw money at him constantly and have an expectation of it being paid back …. Fancy lending me £500? No? Then stop bailing him out.

If he doesn’t get up for college - then he doesn’t go - let the teachers deal with him.

University won’t ring you if he doesn’t turn up - they’ll just get rid.

You sound like serious hard work, and have little skills in parenting teenagers. It’s your job to raise ‘adults’ and as he isn’t capable of being and adult because you wipe up after him, then that’s on you.

Step back and let him fail.

Seriously you need some serious help.

thedancingbear · 12/08/2021 19:10

Just leaving this here for you, OP. Does any of this look familiar to you?

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/coercive-control/

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 12/08/2021 19:10

Also you say he wouldn't have got into uni without your intervention but maybe that wouldn't have been a bad thing. Maybe he needs to grow up and mature more before going to uni. He can always apply in a few years. In the meantime he would need to get a job and pay his own way and/or move out. I think I would have 'let' him fail a bit more rather than all this agro and let him learn in his own time.

quackinglikeaduck · 12/08/2021 19:10

He sounds an awful lot like my teenager with ADHD, and your relationship with him sounds like what I suspect ours might have been like with our son if we hadn't known he had ADHD, and had spent many years blaming everything on laziness and poor character.

Bright kids can have ADHD/ADD too and aren't necessarily hyperactive - they can have the inattentive kind. People with ADHD are much more vulnerable to becoming addicted to things like computer gaming with its immediate rewards, and if they are getting behind with work and have difficult relationships due to their ADHD they're more likely to take refuge in that to avoid dealing with difficult things.

Clever kids with ADD typically do well with school work that needs less concentration when they're younger, but crash and burn when the work gets harder and sustained concentration is needed. The brighter they are, the later in their academic life this happens, but it's still ADD, and it still ends up screwing things up for them.

I really feel for you, because you are hurt and struggling, but if he does have ADHD/ADD, then the chances are that, without realising it, you have been approaching things in a way that will probably have made things worse. He will have been making things worse too by not understanding that about himself. It is really hard. He could have terrible negative self-talk as a result of screwing up over the years and yes he could well be depressed as well.

Knowing someone has ADHD/ADD doesn't mean letting them off and not keeping them accountable for their behaviour - but it does change the way you do it, so you work around attention and impulse control issues rather than going right up against them as if they weren't there and it's just a matter of someone being a good or bad person.

Please please do some reading about it (and ASD and other things that posters have mentioned) and consider whether you could all, despite the best motivations in the world, have missed something that's has been making everything harder for all of you. It's never too late to find out about something like that, and if your son's going to manage a university course and adult life in general he would do so much better for knowing about something like ADHD/ADD now.

GetTaeFuck · 12/08/2021 19:11

@stepupandbecounted

The only thing that is worse than op's lack of reflection and awareness and the distressing abuse she is dishing out to her son is the sheer volume of people supporting such terrible action.

No wonder there are so many problems in this country, if people truly believe it is ever acceptable to pour water on someone sleeping and pushing and shoving is part of normal parenting Shock

It is absolutely shocking.

It is abuse through and through, minimised by words like 'tussle' condoned because he is 'lazy' and 'feckless' and so many negative descriptions about the poor lad, who despite it all managed to get a place in a London university!!

There is such a thing as karma op, and he won't always be a young and vulnerable young man needing you, one day he will grow and mature and you may very well need to answer to him in the future, when the shoe is on the other foot and you are old and grey and lonely.

I wish him every success and happiness - and that belongs to him, for finally seeing the light and getting some support. Bless him.

The best thing he can do is leave and never go back. And OP will be wailing on here in a decade that she doesn’t know why her son is NC with her.
SaharaFlower · 12/08/2021 19:11

@FeelingUtterlyBetrayed : My goodness! I hope your son has a positive experience in the future, inchallah.

Pastnowfuture · 12/08/2021 19:11

Sounds like both parties have made mistakes. Time apart to cool down and reflect might help but I wouldn't ask him to leave unless there is a safe place arranged for him to go. You've clearly struggled to manage his challenging behaviour- have you had any support from school/social services? If not it's likely too late but I would suggest some form of family therapy would be appropriate a the relationships/environment sound unhealthy and quite frankly toxic. Has he had any professional intervention for gaming addiction? At 19 he is still immature. The part of his brain that appreciates long term consequences isn't fully developed until 25. That's one of the reasons people his age engage in risk taking behaviour. That's not to say he shouldn't take responsibility for missed exams etc but just wanted to reassure you it's ikely his self management skills will improve.

EmotionalSupportBear · 12/08/2021 19:12

OP.. you've just mentioned that your younger DS has ASD.

Has your older child EVER been assessed for Autism or ADHD.. because as something with both, and a child with both+ his behaviour is VERY full of red flags for the conditions.

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