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I want to kick DS out TODAY? Totally devastated by what he’s been saying about us.

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FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 16:01

Sorry this is really long but I feel so betrayed and devastated and furious!

This lunchtime as I was sitting on the sofa I noticed a phone on the other arm of it, assumed it was DH’s as he’s off today but noticed the screen was open on what looked like a long message rather than being black and locked. I thought was odd so picked it up out of curiosity.

It was actually DS’s (19) phone, they both have Samsung phones. His phone obviously had been set not to time out.

He had been in a convo with his best friend about moving out, as he’s going to University in September, which apparently he’s desperate to do as we are very abusive to him and exploiting him for money (this was his friend saying this!).

His friend was advising him that he should contact the Uni to ask what help there is for students estranged from abusive parents and said ‘they even hit you man, that’s a crime, you could call the police on them’.

We also never support him and make him feel like shit about himself apparently.

We had have major issues with DS for many years due to extreme laziness and screen addiction. He is also very arrogant and argumentative, knows everything and is always right and other the last few years has become very aggressive and shouty when asked to do anything/called out on his behaviour, even with his younger brother.

We used to get constant calls from school about him not doing homework (even about falling asleep in class) and during his GCSE’s about him not completing coursework. He did much worse than expected but managed to get enough to do his A levels which he wanted to do. I actually tried to dissuade him from doing them as I knew it would be a nightmare to keep him focused after the stress of his GCSE’s but he insisted he wanted to do them and promised he would work hard.

We found out mid way through the course that he was flunking them and his tutor didn’t think it worth him continuing as he was constantly on his phone in class and not doing the work. So a whole year wasted.

Then he decided he wanted to do a BTEC about something he was passionate about so we supported him in that but again I constantly had to get him up in the morning, he was slow to finish his work and wasn’t handing stuff in on time. I had calls just before he was due to finish with concerns he was forecast for a Pass when he needed a Merit to get into Uni and that he hadn’t bothered to attend his English GCSE resit as he’d overslept! Lots of stress at home about this and constantly being on his back about doing the work. Still there were many times he didn’t even bother to go in and I’m amazed he got the Merit!

He also lost his part time job, which was a condition of him doing his BTEC for us as there was extra course fees and materials needed and I told him he had to pay them himself as it was his choice to do the course and be at college for an extra year. He lost that job within 6 months as he couldn’t get up to go to it and wasted all the cash on online gaming anyway!

When I say couldn’t get up, this was an evening job so he started at around 6pm! As he’d be up all night gaming, he’d stumble into college and then go to bed as soon as he got home in the afternoon! On weekends he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. I’d have to go to get up him and drive him there but gave up in the end as he was just taking the piss!

He hasn’t been able to get another job since last March despite me telling him from last year that if he wanted to go to Uni, he needed to get a part time job to save for the accommodation as we have no spare cash to subsidise him (and I didn’t want to with his track record).

There have been lots of arguments and we’ve lost our tempers and struggled with him to try to confiscate his phone (which we still pay for) or get his headphones off his head as he’s woken us up during the night shouting and swearing while gaming. Many times he has woken DH up at 3/4am and DH has a job where he can’t go into work tired!

Since he finished college, he literally sleeps all day and stays up all night. I have offered to pay for gym membership for him (have paid in the past but he ended up not going), given him cash to go out with his mates, tried to get him up and encourage him to do something but he will often sneak back to bed. I’ve looked up jobs for him to apply for for the summer, driven him to interviews, had to drag him out of bed to get ready. He’s even missed interviews by being asleep.

We’ve taken the WiFi but he just plays downloaded games.

I admit DH and I have both lost our shit and poured water over him to get him up and we have had tussles. His mates have also heard us shouting at him to shut up while he’s been online gaming with them as he’s so loud and also to get off the game for dinner or to do a chore he’s been asked to do. He often leaves his dinner on the side for hours after we’ve cooked for him and the other night we got him down to eat it but he left it on the table untouched and went back to bed! We come down in the morning to dirty glasses and plates left lying about. He rarely showers or brushes his teeth. He does nothing around the house.

We are at our wits end but had no choice but to support him to go to Uni as what else is he going to do? He can’t even get a part time job in a cafe!

As he can’t afford the accommodation, he will be living at home and commuting so we have said we want half of his first maintenance loan as we have been continuously paying out for him since he lost his part time job.

I recently paid over £200 for contact lenses which he can’t be bothered to put in, despite saying he wanted them. He has also lost two bikes over the last year by not bothering to chain them up. One was his Dad’s and he had to buy a new one, so we’ve said he can pay us back for that. He also got into an accident due to not looking where he was going and we had to pay for the damage to the car so he owes us for that. I gave him £100 a few weeks ago to buy clothes. So including all the £20 here and there, it’s probably over £1000 he’s had off us which I want back from his first maintenance loan and I think is reasonable. He’ll get around £2800.

He will only have train fare to Uni to pay so will have plenty for going out but apparently we are ‘exploiting’ him for money!

We are not well off as I have had to be a SAHM due to his brother being disabled so we have really struggled financially but always made sure he had everything he needed but apparently he’s embarrassed at us as we are ‘poor’ and all his mates parents are paying for their Uni accommodation and paid for their cars etc!

We have tried so hard to support him while coping with his brother and 2 other DC whilst he has been making himself out to be a victim to his mates and behaving disgracefully at home.

I have told him to pack his stuff and ask his mate if he can crash with him and I wash my hands of him. He’s in bed asleep right now!

I just cannot believe he actually thinks we are abusive to him Angry. I can’t stop crying.

OP posts:
alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 18:19

you warn them you're going to confiscate something.

great

and once you have warned, repeatedly?

Theunamedcat · 12/08/2021 18:19

He needs to go he can get loans etc to cover his accommodation especially if he tells them he has no parents to support him

FWIW ive pulled the fuse on my children's electricity if you don't pay for it you get off it when I say so not when you feel like it

EmotionalSupportBear · 12/08/2021 18:20

@alltheemptyfields

you warn them you're going to confiscate something.

great

and once you have warned, repeatedly?

well, funnily enough, you do it.

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Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 18:21

No fat boy I'm advocating that she tries to get to the bottom of this and look at the whole situation in a different light and tries if she wants to save this relationship.

As, during, when... She pushes him out of the nest so when he turns into that lovely young man he has a good relationship with his mum who... Managed to see past his behaviors and got to the bottom of what was wrong.

Or he turns into a lovely young man and is distant from his family and doesn't want to spend time with them when those lovely gc come along..

Mountaingoatling · 12/08/2021 18:21

I agree with those saying that your behaviour hadn't been great. The list of complaints about often common teenager behaviour is sad to read. You seem done with him. I hope you don't regret this.

Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 18:22
  • and as pp said we are in unprecedented times, covid...
MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 12/08/2021 18:22

He needs to go he can get loans etc to cover his accommodation especially if he tells them he has no parents to support him it doesn't work like that or we'd all be doing it. It also sounds like the household income is a lot so the OP would be expected to top up the loan considerably.

Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 18:23
  • tons of teens game all the time as well, well through the night it's not rare m
alltheemptyfields · 12/08/2021 18:23

Let's not forget this is MN.

On a recent thread about summer holidays, some posters were called abusive for forcing their teenagers to do something during some of the summer, and not allowing them to spend 6 weeks playing video games all night.

You do need to take posts with a massive pinch of salt.

Ericaequites · 12/08/2021 18:23

There are three sides to this story: your side, your son’s side, and the truth. It would be worth working through some possible reasons for your son’s attitude, such as mental illness, substance abuse, or sheer laziness.

LynetteScavo · 12/08/2021 18:23

Let him take his student loan, move out to uni accommodation and sort himself out. He can stay with a friend until uni starts. I would give him a bit of money to last him until he gets his loan, but I'd certainly be merrily waving him off to university accommodation. If he can't afford it (which he should be able to on a full loan) he can get a part time job.

GetTaeFuck · 12/08/2021 18:24

[quote Boredmotherofone]@GetTaeFuck And what you're all doing isn't abusive at allllllll, is it?!?! Hmm[/quote]
Telling the OP she’s abusing her child is being abusive?

No, it’s being honest.

Christ.

OP has rightly had her arse handed to her and you want me to feel fucking sorry for her? Nope.

SixesAndEights · 12/08/2021 18:24

And yes, not coming down to eat a decent meal that someone cooks for you from scratch every night is fucking disrespectful

Well don't do it then!

He can sort his own dinner, surely.

Again, I’d like to know what posters would think would have happened if we just left him to sleep his life away?

At some point he would realise it's not conducive to getting on in life. It may have taken him a long time, he may have ended up getting into various amounts of trouble at college or wherever, but eventually he'd cotton on.

Kanaloa · 12/08/2021 18:25

@alltheemptyfields

Nobody is suggesting not allowing your teen to game all summer is abusive. They’re suggesting it’s abusive to throw water over someone/push and shove them. Do you actually think that’s acceptable parenting? Is that what you do to your kids, is it what your parents did to you?

Stovetopespresso · 12/08/2021 18:25

100% he needs to move out if that's what he wants. why are you condemning yourself to this awful life going forward? it's totally doomed to failure! that's what uni is partly for imo, a youngster learning life skills and how to cope on their own. I get funding them is a nightmare through uni but you are placing unrealistic expectations on him to get a part time job etc.

and your own personal experience has no relevance here apart from helping us understand where you're coming from, sorry but just because your parents charged you rent at 16 and refused to help you through uni doesn'tean you should do the same. did you not see this coming? could he defer and save to top up the shortfall? could you?
imo this is your last chance at helping him.

Gerwurtztraminer · 12/08/2021 18:26

OP, I'd mentally write the money he owes you off, you know you aren't going to get it back so let it go. You do need to get him out and standing on his own 2 feet by living on his own or with housemates. I certainly would not let him live at home when he goes to uni as nothing will change. He won't grow up and start taking responsibility in the current situation as there is no incentive to do so. Hard as it might be tough love is the only answer.

Turn off the wi-fi/hide the router, basically remove whatever he needs for the gaming. In the meantime stop cooking him dinner or buying any food only he eats. Stop funding anything else that you pay for e.g. mobile phone. If absoultey necesary maybe fund deposit and first months rent on a houseshare but only after he's found one.

Frankly I'd make him leave now - sofa surfing somewhere will give some urgency to find a flat. f he won't go willingly then next time he leaves the house - presumably he'll go out at some point to see friends or whatever - I'd get the locks changed and call him to say he can arrange a time to collect his belongings. Pack them up and have them on the doorstep.

Write him a letter - tell him you love him but right now don't like him very much and you are happy to have a relationship when he's mature enough to see it as something you both need to work at. I'd also say you will always be there for him in an true emergency and you are not cutting him off, just looking for space and time apart.

Like you I left home much younger than 19 and had to make my own way in the world and don't understand how young people can behave like this. Whilst I don't think pouring water over him was perhaps the best way to handle the situation and nor are 'tussles', you & DH were clearly at the end of your tether. The past is the past - he's had lots of chances and 2nd chances. If this is the last straw for you then act.

FeelingUtterlyBetrayed · 12/08/2021 18:27

He is actually getting the maximum student loan with extra for studying in London.

I get carers allowance and DH works 60 hours a week for just over £40k!

OP posts:
Gilmorehill · 12/08/2021 18:27

@deliawhsmith

Why were there course fees? If he was under 19 when he started they should be free. You would have been entitled to child benefit and tax credits or uc for the period he was at college. Pouring water is abusive.

I think you need to learn how to support your child, poor kid Angry

Ds2 repeated year 1 of his Btech course and we had to pay course fees.
Antwerpen · 12/08/2021 18:28

@Mountaingoatling

I agree with those saying that your behaviour hadn't been great. The list of complaints about often common teenager behaviour is sad to read. You seem done with him. I hope you don't regret this.
This

Pouring water is crossing a line as a parent.

NotTerfNorCis · 12/08/2021 18:29

The OP hasn't been abusive. The OP was trying desperately to cope with what sounds like a very selfish and lazy young man.

My advice would be to take a step back. Help him to move out and be self-sufficient. Try to keep on friendly terms. Nineteen is still young and immature. Once he's responsible for himself he should eventually improve.

Stovetopespresso · 12/08/2021 18:29

@Christmasfairy2020

What degree is he doing. Maybe encourage him to attend Leeds or Sheffield hallam cheaper rent.
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fatboyslimschin · 12/08/2021 18:29

@Panickingpavlova

No fat boy I'm advocating that she tries to get to the bottom of this and look at the whole situation in a different light and tries if she wants to save this relationship.

As, during, when... She pushes him out of the nest so when he turns into that lovely young man he has a good relationship with his mum who... Managed to see past his behaviors and got to the bottom of what was wrong.

Or he turns into a lovely young man and is distant from his family and doesn't want to spend time with them when those lovely gc come along..

Which she can do when he is living else where so they can both breath and not be under each other feet pissing each other off.

I think she has got to the bottom of it, he is a very lazy moddeycoddled man child who has been like this from school. The relationship has broken down badly and they all need space to repair it.

If he was 17/18 it would probably be a different story but he is a young man now. And no, women shouldn't take shit just incase their lovely son decides to ban them from seeing future grandchildren...

WestendVBroadway · 12/08/2021 18:30

Surely he wouldn't get maximum loan if your earnings are over £25,000.

Panickingpavlova · 12/08/2021 18:30

I'd be very interested to know what would happen at the end of a month long campaign in which op totally took a different tack.
Apologies to her son, said she been projecting her own experience onto him, it's been an extraordinary tough time with covid, and she's been caught up without considering his needs.

Say he can game but how can they make sure he doesn't disturb his dad.
Say he can keep his loan but show him your wages and bills and the break down so you can't afford to subsidise him but you will do what you can.

Say how hard and stressful you find it with four dc and could he start with small jobs to hell when he can and most of all tell him you love him and your proud of him and specially mention some great things he has done and apologise for all the negative stuff.. But can you mutually agree to turn a new leaf..

2bazookas · 12/08/2021 18:30

I'm very surprised that he has been offered any university place based on his poor performance and effort at school.

 Why do you keep enabling him by gratifying  his demands?
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