Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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That will be interesting

@Pixxie7

KidneyBeans@ I think you are being incredibly naive, you are making unproven accusations. Prince Andrew is being accused of sexual abuse, not trafficking. Of course their are a lot of women who use their sexuality to gain favours with rich men. Before you jump down my throat, I think Prince Andrew has lot to answer for but sexual abuse in any country is illegal, so go to the police report it. In this case that bit seems to have been missed and she is going for money. If you think the photos suggest someone who has just been sexually abused fine but I don’t.o

What do you think someone has been sexually abused should look like, then?

What a horrific thing to say. 'You need to look like what I think a victim should or I won't believe you.' No wonder women don't come forward.

@Pixxie7 perhaps you could share what a sexually abused woman needs to look like in order to be believed.

@lljkk

I hope VR loses. Badly. Because I'm tired of Guilty until proven Innocent attitudes.

i don't care what happens to PA otherwise, btw.

I Wonder when this thread will go poof.

So you don't hope that justice is done and (if that's the case) PA is exonerated. Just that a woman who may or may not have been trafficked and raped (and the balance of probability, including circumstantial evidence, suggests she was) loses badly. Disgusting comment, you should be ashamed you made it.

Are you trying to say that no —wo—man has ever lied, especially when large sums of money are involved? When that stops —wo—men probably will be believed, until then, no.

I may have amended that to be more more accurate in my opinion, or I may have mangled formatting.

@Pixxie7

KidneyBeans@ I think you are being incredibly naive, you are making unproven accusations. Prince Andrew is being accused of sexual abuse, not trafficking. Of course their are a lot of women who use their sexuality to gain favours with rich men. Before you jump down my throat, I think Prince Andrew has lot to answer for but sexual abuse in any country is illegal, so go to the police report it. In this case that bit seems to have been missed and she is going for money. If you think the photos suggest someone who has just been sexually abused fine but I don’t.o

@Pixxie7 Where have I made 'unproven accusations' and against whom? Do you mean i've asked you questions that you can't answer without confronting your own prejudice? Here are some more:

Who are these women who 'use their sexuality to gain favours with rich men' and how are they relevant to the case of Epstein and Andrew? Are you insinuating that this was a concerted effort by a group of scheming teenagers to take down rich businessmen? If not then what is your point and how is it relevant?

You are right is that Andrew is being accused of sexual abuse and not trafficking. But that doesn't detract from the fact that his alleged victim is a know survivor of trafficking. Or is your point that because he is only alleged to have perpetrated the assault and not the trafficking, that is ok? Honestly I'm a bit lost as to why you're focussing in this distinction - sexual assault of a trafficked minor is pretty horrific regardless of whether he did the actual trafficking or not.

Also what do you mean by stating that VR hasn't reported to the police? Are you unaware that she's made reports to both the Met police and the US authorities? Might be worth doing some actual reading before making up stuff that didn't happen in order to try and bolster your attack or a victim of sex trafficking. It makes you look bigoted and uninformed.

Out of interest in your expert opinion what are the criteria for photographic indicators of sexual assault? Please do educate us....

Is she suing anyone else? Logically she should be.

Fair enough @SpidersAreShitheads
I agree the hyperbole isn't necessary

It's pretty horrific there are so many posters on here who think the trafficking and assault of teenage girls isn't a problem (or worse that they somehow concocted this scheme to entrap the vulnerable rich men ) so I can see why the ages of the girls is emphasised, but actually I think the bigger issue was the coercion, grooming and lack of consent. Astonishing that some posters don't seem to think those elements are important in determining unhealthy (illegal) sexual encounters.

@Terhou

Is she suing anyone else? Logically she should be.

What evidence are you aware of that would support her suing others?

“I also don't understand how the trafficking claim came about? Was VR not in a consenting sexual relationship with JE? I thought she was his girlfriend?”

No, she was a child in his child trafficking ring. He was sexually abusing her.

F

Good luck to her. I’m disgusted at the comments on this thread rushing to condemn her as an attention seeking money grabber. Do you not think she’s been offered £££ of hush money before now? She’s a very brave woman and survivor. I’ve lost all respect I might have had for the RF after this, even the queen.

What evidence are you aware of that would support her suing others?

We don't actually know what evidence there is that supports her in suing Prince Andrew, not being privy to the court papers. But she claims to have been trafficked, so logically the traffickers should be in the frame.

Teenage girls do do this willingly. I know a young girl who was an escort and bragged about the money she made, even coming straight in to work from a night out, last nights make up still on her face. She told myself and another person about the gang sex she had and if she was tired ect, the ones that were nasty to her, the ones that were nice and she fancied.

However, I also know that she was sexually abused as a child and her way of thinking about herself and body were very very skewed. She was very vulnerable.

No one will ever know the amount of consent that was given between A and V because none of us here where there. I do believe there was sexual relations and in what ever capacity they need to be addressed because he was a much older adult in a position of responsibility and these men need to stop thinking its ok to sleep with very young women just out of childhood.

@Terhou

What evidence are you aware of that would support her suing others?

We don't actually know what evidence there is that supports her in suing Prince Andrew, not being privy to the court papers. But she claims to have been trafficked, so logically the traffickers should be in the frame.

Well VR has pursued civil and criminal proceedings against the primary trafficker (Epstein) and also Ghislaine who is going through criminal proceedings at present. It seems reasonable to next focus on the man who she alleges sexually assaulted her and where there is photographic evidence of an interaction whilst she was trafficked

Who else were you thinking of?

The queen and most people in the family has taken an innocent until proved guilty stance this is really quite a common one im not sure why anyone is surprised by this ove said it before but I will repeat my ex husband has been backed for child sex offences and adult sex offences to his mother's house and he has been around her familys children while on bail for child abuse the police were unsurprised at his family supporting him they were more shocked my ex sil dropped off food to my home for the children

The family will continue to support unless or until he is found guilty in my opinion

Bailed not backed

lljkk
Ihope VR loses. Badly. Because I'm tired of Guilty until proven Innocent attitudes

i don't care what happens to PA otherwise,
btw

I think that’s one of the worse things I’ve ever read on here.

Oh wait no.

Teenage girls do do this willingly

Ah, yes.

Does the statute of limitations apply to other men as I'm sure PA can't be the only one accused?
Would have liked to see a list.

*Debetswell

Does the statute of limitations apply to other men as I'm sure PA can't be the only one accused?
Would have liked to see a list.*

You'd have liked to have seen a list?!
Are you clear that this is a legal case? Not an entertainment laid on for your (and everyone else's) benefit?

Well VR has pursued civil and criminal proceedings against the primary trafficker (Epstein) and also Ghislaine who is going through criminal proceedings at present.
It seems reasonable to next focus on the man who she alleges sexually assaulted her and where there is photographic evidence of an interaction whilst she was trafficked

Who else were you thinking of?

Why so aggressive, @KidneyBeans? I asked a question to which I didn't know the answer. You say that she is pursuing civil proceedings against others, which is the information I was asking for. Thank you.

This thread is sickening. No wonder rape has been practically decriminalised in this country. No wonder woman don't come forward to report rape.

@DameCelia
You'd have liked to have seen a list?!
Are you clear that this is a legal case? Not an entertainment laid on for your (and everyone else's) benefit?

I'm clear that PA can't have been the only man accused of rape and wouldn't want to see his high profile allow others to get away quietly with their crimes..
But of course you knew that and you're just being obtuse.

Has anyone said he's had sexual intercourse with a child? The woman who is suing PA.

Then there is this from Buckingham palace:

“This relates to proceedings in the United States, to which The Duke of York is not a party. Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue.”

It is strangely worded why do you need 'underage' and 'minors'?

Virginia Roberts was legally a minor but was above the age of consent in the UK.

It muddies the waters, a lot of posters are ignoring the fact that if you have sex with a trafficked woman her age doesn't matter, it is rape.

What she looked like is irrelevant.
Her smiling isn't relevant.
Her age isn't relevant.
The age gap isn't relevant.

PA denies having sex with her.

I think it is sensible to go for money, it brings it into the realms of 'this probably happened' instead of, 'this can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt'.

Much better chance of winning. Also if it was a criminal case what punishment could PA be given? Epstein was proved to have abused children but somehow only spent a few months in prison, where he had his own rooms and only had to be there a few hours a day..

Also she accuses him of having sex with her on 3 occasions in different countries, so which country has jurisdiction?

@Terhou

Well VR has pursued civil and criminal proceedings against the primary trafficker (Epstein) and also Ghislaine who is going through criminal proceedings at present. It seems reasonable to next focus on the man who she alleges sexually assaulted her and where there is photographic evidence of an interaction whilst she was trafficked

Who else were you thinking of?

Why so aggressive, @KidneyBeans? I asked a question to which I didn't know the answer. You say that she is pursuing civil proceedings against others, which is the information I was asking for. Thank you.

Umm... You stated that logically she should be suing others - I simply asked who else you had in mind whilst providing context to your question Where's the aggression?

Or is that just a deflection because my information didn't confirm your bias that she's a gold digger after the Royal family?

Speechless at the minimising of really serious issues by so many posters.

On another note my social media is full of people counting down to the next 'Meghan Markle is evil personified' story released by the royals and tabloids to distract from this.