Sussexes and bullying campaign

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

I've not seen anyone in the RF saying anything at all about PA, so how are they "throwing their full support" behind him?

I've not seen anyone in the RF saying anything at all about PA, so how are they "throwing their full support" behind him?

Exactly. The Sussexes have a great example of a shitshow becoming a non story. But then they would have to stay out of the limelight.

And Harry's objections to racism would have far more credibility if he faced up to his own - publicly known, who knows what else went on behind closed doors - racist words and actions. Not that he needs to wear sackcloth and ashes and flagellate himself in the town square. But to acknowledge that he had - because of lack of understanding from his upbringing - said and done things that were offensive and hurtful would be a far more credible stand against racism than 'other people in my family were mean to my wife and child(ren)'

Yes Andrew is backed by BP (too much in my opinion), but Harry and Meghan could equally have chosen a different path for themselves.

They didn't have to be involved but not involved in that Finding Freedom book. Nobody told them they had to go on Oprah and say things that have been proven to be false. Nobody forced them to throw a public pity party at the fact they had their pocket money cut off from Charles. Nobody told them to go to the press to reveal phone calls. Etc.

As one person said after the Oprah interview, when was the last time you saw the Obamas airing their family drama on a chat show? Discretion is a key expectation for those in elite circles. A couple whining to the press whilst also claiming life is so hard because of the press was never going to be an effective strategy, at least for for a UK audience.

"She doesn’t have her family and the royal family clearly are not on her side." She has Doria. She has seemingly disowned the rest of them. The Royal Family were on her side - maybe not so much since the barbed comments about service and use of the word 'royal' and of course the shit-show (in my opinion) that was the Oprah interview.

"I think this is why smearing her is removing the only thing she does have, her chances of having a career so she can find her feet."
Who from the family has smeared her?

"A character assassination of an actress is a disaster. She quit her career on hold for the royal family duties but I don’t think she realised how quickly she did things until it was too late.."
She chose to wind up her career. She was offered the option of keeping it going but declined to do so.

"I think she thought too much of herself and under estimated family drama. Quite possibly because she has had to manage her own family drama all her life and thought that she is beyond that."
I'm not sure there was much drama at the time - until the two of them began letting it be known that they were unhappy. I concede that there certainly seems to have been drama in her own family, particularly recently.

"I’m speculating here. But trying to give it a bit of a human angle."
Absolutely you're speculating.

"I think she quit her career in the public eye very prematurely. She probably quickly realised that her financial independence was important because of how marginalised she is. She probably didn’t assume she was going to be treated with lesser importance. She obviously had a very American expectation of the royal family. It’s fine, people do have error of judgements."
Not sure whose "fault" this is. I do believe, however, that there was an abundance of help and advice on offer to the two of them, from a carefully-chosen team put in place. Whether they listened to, or acted upon any of that advice is open to debate.

"The novelty of princess lifestyle wore off and she realised she needed to be strong Meghan again because no one was going to stand up for her if it’s not her standing up on her own two feet for her family and kids. Her husband is an emotional mess and her family are a shit show and the royal family consider her an outsider.. and the press are sabbotaging her under their watch."
The novelty wearing off is hardly the royal family's fault.

"Not if you’re someone totally dependent on your public image for ur future security." Then they need to tread VERY carefully from now on. They're currently receiving a lot of backlash.

"I completely get why she doesn’t just stay quiet. She can’t be compared to the royal family members when she doesn’t enjoy the same privileges." She had many of those privileges. Perhaps she's only appreciating them now they've been removed (of their own volition).

I've not seen anyone in the RF saying anything at all about PA, so how are they "throwing their full support" behind him?

They've issued statements in the past.

Saying what?

I remember it myself. Here it is, if you don't believe me!

in 2015, the Palace — which usually doesn’t comment on reports about royal family members — categorically denied the allegations against the prince, saying, “It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with [Giuffre]. The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

And there was another one I think

I think PA is an arrogant, entitled jerk. But I can see that - having had a lifetime of attractive young women making themselves available to him because of his connections he believes that they are sexually available because he is such an amazing person.

His appearance 'defending' himself shows, in my opinion, that he genuinely believed that a young woman - over the age of consent in the UK but young enough to be his daughter - would willing have sex with him.

That doesn't make him a criminal. An unpleasant person, yes, but not the paedophile some posters here like to make him out to be.

@Roussette, the allegations against him (although not officially from any sort of court) are unpleasant and very serious. As things stand at the moment, he is not charged with anything and, even if he were, is innocent until proven guilty. It is not unreasonable for the Palace to make a statement to that end, and I honestly think they would have made a similar declaration had anything remotely similar in seriousness been levelled at Harry or Meghan.

I've never called him a paedophile.

Let's see when it all goes to court in November.

I'm becoming more certain that they are very damaged people who would be so much better off if they just stopped trying to be current and relevant and just focussed on themselves and their children.

I've not seen anyone in the RF saying anything at all about PA, so how are they "throwing their full support" behind him?

The Queen made the choice to be very publicly photographed riding with PA two days after it was announced he was stepping down from royal duties, and several other times she's taken Andrew and only Andrew with her on outings where they would be photographed together, which seem to happen immediately after he's in the press. Not to mention continuing to pay all his bills. She's done more or less everything within her power to show her support of him.

Someone is responsible for leaky all those fluff pieces about PA giving the Queen a new puppy (presumably Andrew, not the Queen) all of which are designed to give the impression the Queen and PA are close and on good terms, and the Palace certainly don't seem to be in a hurry to disavow themselves of that.

She has seemingly disowned the rest of them.
Her father cut contact with her and ghosted her, and she finally made the decision to go nc with him, after he very publicly abused and threatened her. She never had any relationship with and barely knew her half-siblings so cannot accurately be described as having disowned them.

Who from the family has smeared her?
Andrew's the one who first leaked news of their relationship to the media, and it's been proven that multiple Cambridge staffers were either leaking or selling stories. Clearly someone or multiple people inside the Palace was leaking Meghan's private conversations, as well as smearing her in the press.

Meghan is completely solo if her marriage breaks down because of the shitshow.

Apart from her mother and the large group of loyal close friends she's had for 10-15 years.

"Clearly someone or multiple people inside the Palace was leaking Meghan's private conversations, as well as smearing her in the press."
Well, clearly that's wrong, but she is most definitely NOT the only person that has happened to. Nearly all of them, bar the Queen and Prince Philip, have had phone conversations tapped and leaked - by tabloids mainly.

"The Queen made the choice to be very publicly photographed riding with PA two days after it was announced he was stepping down from royal duties"
Those photos was taken on a long lens from miles away - in the same way as I've read Meghan defenders saying those photos of her walking with Archie and her dogs in Canada were. You could barely even see it was them.
"so cannot accurately be described as having disowned them." The wedding was hardly teeming with her family members, was it?

"Not to mention continuing to pay all his bills." Where is the evidence for this? How do you know?

@ohforarainyday

Meghan is completely solo if her marriage breaks down because of the shitshow.

Apart from her mother and the large group of loyal close friends she's had for 10-15 years.

What long term friends does she have left? From what I've read she has either cut off or been cut off from all of her old friends. Her childhood bestie cut her off after she posted her rings to her husband ending their marriage with no explanation.

Has it been proven that the palace were leaking stories about H&M? I don't recall seeing any evidence to back that up?

No, it's only been alleged, mainly by those who believe that everyone leaks all the time. Main evidence seems to date from the War of the Wales and Diana's assertion that she was being briefed against.

Though as we know know, she was surrounded by deliberate deception at that time, and the BBC/Bashir letters - which purported to be evidence of staff relationships with the media outside normal channels - may have been formative in her attitude.

(my post was in response to @amusedtodeath1- not the one immediately above it)

"Not to mention continuing to pay all his bills." Where is the evidence for this? How do you know?

We'll see evidence idc.

Non working Royals have to pay rent on their homes, and it should at least bear at least some resemblance to market rent. A number of minor working Royals moved out of KP when this was introduced (about the time the Queen volunteered to start paying tax in addition to surrender of Crown Estate incone, I think)

So we'll see idc if they have been paying, because it's clear they are not currently working for The Firm.

Those photos was taken on a long lens from miles away - in the same way as I've read Meghan defenders saying those photos of her walking with Archie and her dogs in Canada were. You could barely even see it was them

Are you saying it wasn't them? Because it was. And the photos of them going to Church together, shortly after the Maitlis interview.

What long term friends does she have left? From what I've read she has either cut off or been cut off from all of her old friends
Are you now saying Meghan hasn't got any friends? That's ludicruous. There have been many who have come out in support of her.
And no I won't be providing evidence of this. Every Single Time I do links of anything to prove something, the person that asks, always just ignores it. Every. Single. Time.
Needless to say, that's a new one... MM has no friends

Aah don't you just love it when Sunshine Sachs come on Mumsnet and try and spin their 'Harry and Megs are victims" drivel?
And don't you just love it, when the detractors have no argument but to accuse posters of being part of their PR team, being Doria, being Meghan herself, being a bot, being a paid shill.... whatever.
Just to let you know... MNHQ does not take kindly to this sort of accusation.
Just sayin' that, in case you want this thread to stand.

Non working Royals have to pay rent on their homes, and it should at least bear at least some resemblance to market rent

Andrew rents the massive pile Royal Lodge. It's in 98 acres. It underwent a renovation costing £7.5M to include a cinema, an indoor swimming pool.

He pays £250 a week.
Market rate?
No!

Are you saying it wasn't them? Because it was. And the photos of them going to Church together, shortly after the Maitlis interview

I think she's saying the use of long lens photography is reprehensible, a view that H&M are known to share. I don't think anyone has ever said that HMQ has disowned her son. There will be those who assume that the RF is placing pictures/stories. They are overlooking the more obvious possibility that the tabloids publish (ideally new) pictures when someone is in the news.

And will use long lens shots, and will save pix until what they think is a good moment (I saw a pic in a 'filler' story one summer about a celeb (non-royal) DC enjoying the flowers in the park on the school run, just as the parents were doing something newsworthy. Anyone local knew that was manipulated timing as the child was in that school's winter uniform and the pic must have been several months old.

The church ones were very obvious. Queen and Andrew sat together in the car going to Church a very short time after the Maitlis interview.

If he'd been my son, I would be saying 'look, just give Church a miss this time, it will not look good'.
But no.

Here you go.

I never said MM doesn't have any friends. A PP referred to a group of friends she has had for 10-15 years. I was genuinely interested as to who? I said I'd read it, I didn't say it was true.

I can't think of anyone other than a few from suits all other friends I know of are more recent.