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Sussexes and bullying campaign

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DeepThinkingGirl · 11/06/2021 00:59

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

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DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 11:30

I believe Meghan and Harry quickly realised there was really no winning with the press and that the palace wasn’t invested in trying to back them up in any way not even subtle ways like they do for other family members.. perhaps because they hadn’t really embraced Meghan. I do think the relationship was too quickly intense that they didn’t manage to adjust ways to fit her into their ways so I don’t think it’s personal but non the less I think Harry feels sidelined..

I do think the reality is that Harry was never really couched on how to lead a successful romantic life like his brother was, because Harry’s wife wasn’t going to be as significant. But I think given the significance to the royal family he still needed guidelines and I do think he stumbled across many obstacles because he thought he can just wing it like he winged other relationships and that he would be embraced.

I think him and his irrational choices had been embraced by thr family for a long time given he was motherless so I think he grew up a bit entitled and when the royal family didn’t carry on to smother him he felt betrayed and assumed it’s because of his marriage choice. In reality it’s because the choices he was starting to make are actually of serious implications for the family and they couldn’t take responsibility for it.

I think there is a massive misunderstanding going on. No one behaved perfectly. And it’s just a bit of drama that would iron out with time.

But as a mother of two toddlers, and coming from a family background that don’t measure up in status to my in laws.

I really feel like Meghan and her new born babies are only behaving naturally.. it might sound dramatic but she is a new mother with babies.. and nesting hormones do make us alienate ourselves from sources of harm to us and our kids.. and at times create drama or seek attention when we are vulnerable and want to get out of all the negative attention being just on us.

I think Meghan was definately victim of racism and misogyny of our British society, much before she opened her mouth.

When she opened her mouth she was a new mother trying to deal with a lot and trying to make sense of what’s impeding her precious moments with her newborn son.. and then I think it’s natural that when she is pregnant for the second time she would resort to shifting a bit of focus from herself and her newborn and iron out the narrative despite the implications, because let’s face it, we all care a lot more about our babies than we do about our in laws.

In laws that didn’t do much to protect us, regardless of whether they owed it to her or not, are not entitled to be prioritised by a new mother struggling with sheltering her children from all the negativity.

I don’t think she is handling this well, and I don’t think Harry is either. But I also don’t expect them to because this is a sensitive time for them and what they’re dealing with isn’t really straightforward..

I do sympathize with all involved. But I think as a new mother of babies, I just feel like it’s only human to have some compassion to her and her newborn.

I find the lack of empathy and lack of attempt to understand her obviously desperate behaviour to be really disheartening.

I think Meghan is stuck in a mess that’s not her own. And her motherhood and precious moments are also caught in the middle.

She doesn’t owe the British public or the royal family to suck it up. I think even if her speaking up is coming across wrongly , or expecting her husband to protect her when she is in her vulnerable moments... is coming across wrong..

But I think she is going through what any new mother with in law issues would be trying to do in her position.. except she has the misogynistic press on her back on top of that.

I think it’s depressing to see that much coldness towards women. It is all about misogyny for me and “othering”.

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Frownette · 15/06/2021 11:37

At least after the lilibet drama the press seem to have quitened down a bit and they can get on with their new non-royal lives.

I do wish RF could speak out a bit more and have an official outlet, it's not very transparent and is confusing people.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 11:48

I think Meghan was being dehumanised quite a bit in the run up to the birth of Archie.. and it reduced her from a strong independent woman to a vulnerable desperately dependent woman at a time when ANY mother would want to be her best for the sake of her children..

And then her son Archie was further dehumanised by some racist idiots, through subtle and outright racist remarks..

She obviously was desperate to share her vulnerable feelings out loud because she so desperately wanted to end the dehumanising campaign against her.. she clearly had some hope in humanity..

I think naturally she gave enough chances for the palace to step up and protect their own family members.. but being dehumanised at the beginning of your relationship and journey of mother makes you extremely insecure.. because clearly there were many people banking their hopes on the relationship not lasting.. and she isn’t an idiot.

And I think her attempts to humanise herself were received very badly.. with further attempts to dehumanise and label her and her behaviour and absolutely no listening involved...

Her husband stepping up to do it for her, was done in a very Harry way.. which is very uncalculated and messy. He clearly still hasn’t mentally recovered and isn’t reliable which is why she was stepping up for herself and not burdening him with that in the initial stages.. except when children are involved you stop prioritising long term implications and you would want immediate protection to your baby. Such is hormones. And for a reason.

I totally understand why they behaved the way they behaved . This is a symptom of a very bad family drama playing out in public.

I think Meghan and her kids are actually the victims here and have always been. Victims because they’re extremely vulnerable and there is no consideration to that whatsoever and total neglect.

Victims of family drama that they had no fault in. And that’s on top of her family drama. So this must trigger really bad emotions for her.

I think the mental health of pregnant women and new mothers need to be taken a lot more seriously by our society and messing around in this way should be a complete taboo.

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DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 11:58

At least after the lilibet drama the press seem to have quitened down a bit and they can get on with their new non-royal lives.

According to the mother, having the first impression the children made on the world completely tarnished by dehumanising campaigns creates a sense of apathy that would follow them a lifetime.. so I don’t think it’s fair to assume they would move on from that so swiftly just because the media decided to shut up

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AlfonsoTheMango · 15/06/2021 12:01

@DeepThinkingGirl

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

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DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 12:15

Also I think I was half hoping that the “Meghan” phenomena would introduce progress on the feminism and diversity front towards better humanity. So quite depressing that it took us a few steps back.

At least I see it that way!

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Frownette · 15/06/2021 13:03

@DeepThinkingGirl you'd have to ask Kate Middleton about that as it's her forte.

I am more concerned about the horrific spate of stabbings recently including Bibaa and Sophie and that poor 14 year old boy who had been bullied at school then got stabbed, that was all he ever knew in his short life, fear and violence. But it's not allowed to discuss as not allowed legally and disrespectful to people who loved them.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 13:27

But it's not allowed to discuss as not allowed legally and disrespectful to people who loved them.

I think we do need a thread on these topics but it doesn’t take away at all for me from the fact motherhood and it’s fragility in the early days need to be supported better by our society, emotionally and mentally, and that failing to do that for royal babies means there is really a lot of work to be done for your average family.

I’m an average person and I feel like I’ve just realised how much neglected maternity and motherhood is in British society, based on how much apathy is towards what’s meant to be the new mother of royal babies..

I’ve always felt like maternity is a neglected topic when it comes to feminism, but it’s entirely depressing to see how that plays out in what’s meant to be the most influential family in England.

I’m overthinking obviously!

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AlfonsoTheMango · 15/06/2021 13:34

OP, are you aware of the fact that Meghan lives in the US and not in the UK?

Roussette · 15/06/2021 13:35

@DeepThinkingGirl

Great posts Smile

Frownette · 15/06/2021 13:52

@DeepThingGirl yes it probably does - sorry it's Bibaa and Nicole, I am very sleep deprived with heat and premenopausal. Its not just royal babies though, every new mother needs to be supported. Probably haven't even't even got that that right.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 14:34

Sorry Alfonso I’m too busy eating my biscuit

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Billandben444 · 15/06/2021 14:49

I do think the relationship was too quickly intense that they didn’t manage to adjust ways to fit her into their ways

OP, I totally agree with this.

(I couldn't get past the hyperbole and humanising and dehumanising of the rest to comment)

Frownette · 15/06/2021 15:16

Explain. Because that didn't.

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FrippEnos · 15/06/2021 17:43

DeepThinkingGirl

based on how much apathy is towards what’s meant to be the new mother of royal babies..

Why do you think that we should all be interested in royal babies?

LuaDipa · 15/06/2021 17:50

I think it’s bizarre how much coverage these two get in comparison to the allegations against Prince Andrew, the Duke of Cambridge allegedly having an affair and allegations of racism.

I don’t approve of everything the Sussexes have done, but I think it is clear thar there is a vendetta against them. It is also clear that the British press and the RF are more interested than punishing this pair for leaving than they are in seeking justice for a victim of child trafficking who has alleged she was assaulted by a member of the RF (Prince Andrew is yet to speak with the FBI) or in dealing with their own internalised racism and misogyny.

CallmeHendricks · 15/06/2021 18:44

How, exactly, are the Royal Family "punishing" the Sussexes?

Allington · 15/06/2021 18:44

I think it’s bizarre how much coverage these two get in comparison to the allegations against Prince Andrew, the Duke of Cambridge allegedly having an affair and allegations of racism.

Which shows what many people have posted - if you want a quiet life, out of the media shitshow, don't engage with the media. Don't go on Oprah or Newsnight giving your side of the story. Keep quiet, stay at home, let it roll over you.

The Sussexes are creating the situation they say they hate so much.

LolaSmiles · 15/06/2021 19:09

I think it’s bizarre how much coverage these two get in comparison to the allegations against Prince Andrew, the Duke of Cambridge allegedly having an affair and allegations of racism
I think more coverage should be given to Andrew and his antics and it concerns me that less pressure has been put on him for his lack of cooperation with authorities, but is currently following the golden rule applied by many public figures who don't want the press involved in their life: head down, keep out the press and live a private life.

It's not just Andrew, many public figures manage to live their lives without courting the press and pushing yourself in the spotlight.

It goes to show that if Harry and Meghan really wanted to live a private (or more private before their fans say "but they didn't want privacy") life and get on with their charitable ventures, they could. They could be living a lovely life in the states and enjoying their time as a family if they chose to focus on that instead of endlessly airing their gripes.

CallmeHendricks · 15/06/2021 19:18

What they want is coverage and exposure on their terms and no criticism at all. Well, I'm sure everyone would want that in an ideal world, but people are going to have opinions.

Good point about Prince Andrew. He's keeping his head down and not courting publicity at all. Given the media/police interest there could be in him if he was more visible, it's proof that it IS possible to keep a low profile if you really want to.

Roussette · 15/06/2021 19:25

Well.... Andrew is protected by the RF isn't he, so yes he is keeping his head down, but if you have the Queen your mother protecting you, it's easy to carry on regardless.

And given his pomposity and arrogance led him to believe the Maitlis interview would put an end to it all, it's hardly surprising he's quiet now.

BP has thrown its full support behind Andrew from the beginning.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 19:31

I think what Prince Andrew could afford to do is very different.

Prince Andrew has a secure family backing.. Meghan is completely solo if her marriage breaks down because of the shitshow.

She doesn’t have her family and the royal family clearly are not on her side.

I think this is why smearing her is removing the only thing she does have, her chances of having a career so she can find her feet.

A character assassination of an actress is a disaster. She quit her career on hold for the royal family duties but I don’t think she realised how quickly she did things until it was too late..

I think she thought too much of herslef and under estimated family drama. Quite possibly because she has had to manage her own family drama all her life and thought that she is beyond that.

I’m speculating her. But trying to give it a bit of a human angle.

I think she quit her career in the public eye very prematurely. She probably quickly realised that her financial independence was important because of how marginalised she is. She probably didn’t assume she was going to be treated with lesser importance. She obviously had a very American expectation of the royal family. It’s fine, people do have error of judgements.

The novelty of princess lifestyle wore of and she realised she needed to be strong Meghan again because no one was going to stand up for her if it’s not her standing up on her own two feet for her family and kids. Her husband is an emotional mess and her family are a shit show and the royal family consider her an outsider.. and the press are sabbotaging her under their watch.

I totally get why she needed to control the narrative in the press as opposed to put her head in the sand. You can only afford to duck your head down if you have a family that has as much influence as the royal family does.

Not if you’re someone totally dependent on your public image for ur future security.

I completely get why she doesn’t just stay quiet. She can’t be compared to the royal family members when she doesn’t enjoy the same privileges.

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DeepThinkingGirl · 15/06/2021 19:37

What they want is coverage and exposure on their terms and no criticism at all. Well, I'm sure everyone would want that in an ideal world, but people are going to have opinions.

This is really a misrepresentation of what’s going on.

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Frownette · 15/06/2021 19:39

She's got more money now than she would have had prior to this. She would be fine.

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