I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

If the other royals want to speak (their minds) they are welcome to follow suit

They won't. 'Never complain, never explain' is the unwritten rule.

Doesn't mean there isn't more than one way to skin a cat though. See the glazing over of royal eyes on the occasion of the Sussex's 3rd wedding anniversary as opposed to the relative gushing about Beatrice's pregnancy.

IcedPurple

I know what terms he used

People can move on from using racist terms as jokes when they become more aware of the impact

That is not what was directed at Megan we know that we know the press was inflammatory to rile up all those racists that take the bait every single time

I've just watched the documentary and I don't what fuss is about. Most of it was people talking about severe mental health issues in an inspiring way, a female boxer who sought help for ocd and anorexia that had her washing and cleaning constantly to the point where she couldn't eat...now planning to compete in Tokyo olympics, Lady GaGa talking about she was held in some sort of hostage situation and raped but won't disclose their name (I suspect because she knows the pain it will cause her loved ones to know the detail) and practises self care, and another man talking about his mental health and interplays with being black and value of his work, there was some historical look at Oprah which I fast forwarded. There can't have been more than ten minutes of conversation between Harry and Oprah which was fairly dull but also somewhat sad as we heard that he remembers the paparazzi chases, it was peculiar to him as a child, and he'll understandably never comprehend why photos were taken after the crash and that there was no justice, the public aftermath was overwhelming-I was 17 at the time and remember thinking what contrived nonsense and hysteria people bawling out their eyes in public when they didn't know her and how wierd and odd for the boys- and also revealingly later how he suffered with intense sweats in front of flashing cameras and in public, fearing he was going bright red and that everyone would see and know how he was feeling and the relief when he found someone else sweating that he could relate to- as he said classic flight or fright. He talked about being told to get on with it, and about Charles being the way he was and his wanting to break the cycle, but only briefly. I'm not sure its news or controversial to hear that there is the stiff upper lip in the Royal Family (its endemic in British society/culture so no surprise) and he doesn't talk about Charles with anger...maybe disrespectful, but is that enough reason to hate Harry? I think fair play to him for having his heart in the right place.

He knows he has a pull and talking about the past is currency. Never does he advocate talking about mental health all the time though.

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@CathyorClaire

If the other royals want to speak (their minds) they are welcome to follow suit

They won't. 'Never complain, never explain' is the unwritten rule.

Doesn't mean there isn't more than one way to skin a cat though. See the glazing over of royal eyes on the occasion of the Sussex's 3rd wedding anniversary as opposed to the relative gushing about Beatrice's pregnancy.

Perhaps they were being respectful of new knowledge that H&M's "real" wedding anniversary had actually taken place 3 days earlier...

Harry has been protected and advised all his life, it's so entrenched he doesn't even see it. Now he's outside that he's completely erratic.

It's a slow motion car-crash. The only way they can make money to maintain their lifestyle is monetising the royal brand. They have no track record or expertise in anything else that's going to generate the money they need. Their reputation is built on the monarchy, trashing that devalues their brand by association . All these stories of Meghan's fragility will surely tarnish them and smash their credibility in terms of fitness to run initiatives or hold political office which seemed on the cards.

It's uncomfortable watching.

Perhaps they were being respectful of new knowledge that H&M's "real" wedding anniversary had actually taken place 3 days earlier...

😂😂😂

And left them to their privacy, just the 3 of them.

We have to remember Harry never ever intended to stop being a working royal.

When he left he put that daft letter out where they were going to be earning their own money but “collaborating with thr queen”. Living between the Uk and the states. We all knew immediately it would never be allowed. But he put it out there and that’s what they wanted.

He has now said in this interview he had to leave as Meghan was so unhappy.

So he made the move becayse of Meghan, but was hoping to get the best of both worlds. Stay royal but also be able to work and earn their own money.

And the palace said no… he lost his title, he is no longer using the term prince, lost his patronage’s, lost his military positions, lost his met police protection. The best of both worlds was not an option he was permitted by the palace, by the queen, by Charles or by William. It was a no. He simply couldn’t monetise his position and be a working royal.

I think he feels if Meghan was better supported, and they’d been permitted to do their own thing, she’d not have been so unhappy and he’d not have been forced to make the decision to leave and try for the best of both worlds thing.,….and then when he lost everything royal because of it, he’s now angry, bitter, resentful as he didn’t ever envisage or want this. As his letter on departure showed.

I think Meghan is a strong person. She campaigned for good causes from a young age. Nobody can take away from her that she owns convictions. Time may bend and alter these, but a zest for justice remains.

I don't think things were as Bluntness - who I find consistently insightful - has interpreted them. I put myself in people's shoes and imagine what I would do, as a way to gain insight. If I were married to a vulnerable man whose mother had died when he was a child - I wouldn't be talking about wanting to leave him: least of all in a painful way. I can imagine somebody saying that they identify with people who do feel like taking a final way out. I think Meghan is strong and fearless. I think she only would have spoken about that ability to understand how the thought can cross a person's mind.

I think that a tried and tested formula for getting your own problems into perspective is to help people less fortunate than yourself. Don't worry about the press. It's a just a game to the journalists. Do your best in your job and ignore what journos right.

None of us can say what being in the RF is like. Mike Tindall seems to like it. Kate and her siblings have managed the publicity. I don't think Harry is so much more high profile as a royal than his cousins are. But we have it all on trust - and proper documentaries, about mental health, or anything else - don't allow people to spout their cause without testing out and validating the assertions.

I would advise two things to Meghan and Harry.

1. read up on Katie Price and how she has turned every smidgen of negative press to her advantage and seeded newspaper stories to her own ends. Try to emulate some of that emotional intelligence and understand the key to it is it's all about selling newspapers. Journalists probably don't view celebrity news stories in a spirit of seriousness, so try to deal with the press as if it's s sort of game: like Katie Price and other clever people do.

Remember that words of that poem 'If' by Rudyard Kipling about treating gain and misfortune with the same equanimity. If you do this, you can ride life's storms - especially those in a gilded teacup.
Remember the quote from Shakespeare: ' Discretion is the better part of valour'. I believe this applies well to the RF and to others who have privilege.

2. I don't think Meghan and Harry should do so much campaigning because they can't afford to. Mega-billionaires like Bill Gates, for instance, can afford to pay for the lawyers, PR and security detail which go with increasing one's profile ever higher. These two ex-working royals can't afford to run in that fast lane. They haven't the means of making money other than by talking, and what they have to say that is original will soon run out as they get to the end of telling their life stories.

If I were married to a vulnerable man whose mother had died when he was a child - I wouldn't be talking about wanting to leave him: least of all in a painful way

Even if you were suicidal? You’d stay? That’s the only bit I disagree with you on, and mostly becayse in his own interview Harry has said specifically he had to leave as Meghan was so unhappy. This means he had little choice in the matter, she wanted to go so he went too.

The 36-year-old said he felt 'forced' to visit Nepal in 2016, and that he felt like he was their 'yes man' for foreign jaunts.

The premise of the Nepal trip was for PH to thank the Gurkhas for their 200 year service to the crown and to 'shine a spotlight' on the Himalayan country which was devastated by an earthquake almost a year previously. This will be the very same Gurkha regiment (1st Bn Royal Gurkha Rifles) that PH served alongside in Afghanistan in 2008.

www.businessinsider.com/prince-harry-nepal-gurkha-2016-3?r=US&IR=T

PH made this video in Sept 2020

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vC69QCVJLg4

8 months later he's telling the whole world he was 'forced' to go there - nice.
That's a new low for me and shows there is no level he won't stoop to if there is an opportunity to twist the knife into his family again.

Just as an aside, I don’t know when this was filmed would it have been before or after the Oprah interview and Prince Philip’s death?

I find it extremely crass that this would be released just a month after a prominent RF member, husband of the Queen and his own grandfather was buried.

Surely he could have waited a bit longer or was he that desperate to share his story and upset his grieving father and grandmother even further .

"I think he feels if Meghan was better supported, and they’d been permitted to do their own thing, she’d not have been so unhappy and he’d not have been forced to make the decision to leave and try for the best of both worlds thing.,….and then when he lost everything royal because of it, he’s now angry, bitter, resentful as he didn’t ever envisage or want this. As his letter on departure showed."

Supported by whom though-who was it up to to support his wife & help her adjust to her new life?

Other people's feelings are so difficult to understand. I shouldn't presume to know what could make a person feel seriously depressed.

Now they've made the move, I don't think they should feel they have to explain it, though. The Queen saying in March 2020 that she understood and she loves them, should have been enough of a line-drawing exercise - surely?

@StormzyinaTCup

The 36-year-old said he felt 'forced' to visit Nepal in 2016, and that he felt like he was their 'yes man' for foreign jaunts.

The premise of the Nepal trip was for PH to thank the Gurkhas for their 200 year service to the crown and to 'shine a spotlight' on the Himalayan country which was devastated by an earthquake almost a year previously. This will be the very same Gurkha regiment (1st Bn Royal Gurkha Rifles) that PH served alongside in Afghanistan in 2008.

www.businessinsider.com/prince-harry-nepal-gurkha-2016-3?r=US&IR=T

PH made this video in Sept 2020

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vC69QCVJLg4

8 months later he's telling the whole world he was 'forced' to go there - nice.
That's a new low for me and shows there is no level he won't stoop to if there is an opportunity to twist the knife into his family again.

Re writing history that's for sure

I think it would also be healthy for him to recognise that Diana was not an innocent as far as the press were concerned. She rang them to take photos of her when she wanted

And that his dad is an adulterer and with Camilla are also responsible.

I think he feels if Meghan was better supported, and they’d been permitted to do their own thing, she’d not have been so unhappy and he’d not have been forced to make the decision to leave and try for the best of both worlds thing.,….and then when he lost everything royal because of it, he’s now angry, bitter, resentful as he didn’t ever envisage or want this. As his letter on departure showed.

The problem is that he's absolutely failing to acknowledge any personal responsibility for the position they found themselves in.

His wife was so unhappy she was suicidal and what did he do?

How did he support her and prepare her for royal life?

What help did he get her (despite being a MH advocate, having many contacts with MH charities, being in therapy himself and paying for the services of the best maternity hospital in the U.K.) - apparently nothing as he was embarrassed....

That's what I can't get over when people talk about how brave he's been dishing the dirt on his family (especially when that's in direct contrast to how he's talked about his father especially previously).

He wasn't even "brave" enough to get over his embarrassment to get appropriate MH support for his wife.

Re writing history that's for sure

Seems to happen a lot doesn't it ... ?

@ArgyleIsle

I think it would also be healthy for him to recognise that Diana was not an innocent as far as the press were concerned. She rang them to take photos of her when she wanted

And that his dad is an adulterer and with Camilla are also responsible.

Diana started having affairs before C&C resumed their relationship.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Re writing history that's for sure

Seems to happen a lot doesn't it ... ?

Yep, Archie's 1st word with James Corden was crocodile, now with Opera it's Grandma Diana, he had therapy before he met Meghan due to William pushing him to get it, yet now it was all down to Meghan why he got it.

@CauliflowerCheese30 there are so many lies/inconsistencies. I don’t know why some people keep endlessly defending them.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Re writing history that's for sure

Seems to happen a lot doesn't it ... ?

Well he's going to end up making a massive tit of himself. Don't think that was in the plan!

I'm pretty sure it's not "the family" that are/were smearing MM tbh.

Right before the OW show was aired the whole workplace bullying story was leaked. I'm assuming this is what had MM so upset.

Surely the best way to deal with lies printed in the media is through your lawyers?

Surely they expected it though, they must have know that if they talk about other people's mistakes and wrong doings, people who would otherwise have remained quiet will talk about theirs?

Isn't that the deal, we don't run to the press when you behave like a cock and you do the same for us? They broke the pact.

It was really fucking stupid of them both to do this, at this time, and put themselves under more scrutiny and criticism, particularly given MM pregnancy.

They really do seem to think that they can do and say anything whoever it hurts and anyone who does the same, in the interest of fairness, is a horrible bully. It's so wrong.

I think Harry is becoming a bore.

This is interesting:

"I thought my family would help, but every single ask, request, warning, whatever it is, just got met with total silence or total neglect."

What's absolutely not clear is what those "asks", "requests", "warnings" were and if they were even remotely reasonable.

If they were unreasonable it's perhaps not surprising they were treated with silence and neglect.

There's far too much ambiguity to take what H claims at face value especially in conjunction with how many times he's contradicted himself.