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ssd · 2021-05-21T08:18:11+00:00

Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain. I admire him.

supermoonrising · 21/05/2021 20:01

@IcedPurple
"toxic institution" was my phrase not his.

To answer what I think is your point: many people who were abused in life or work nevertheless retain the advantageous parts which they obtained during the period of abuse. Doesn't mean they weren't abused. Doesnt mean their family/boss/partner/spouse/company wasn't toxic or abusive. Your "black and white world" of simple truths and correct behaviour doesnt exist.

KaleSlayer · 21/05/2021 20:02

I’d put money on it they will be just like the other LA mega rich celeb kids falling out of night clubs.

Time will tell. I think they’ll do just fine.

Badpicknic · 21/05/2021 20:04

@KaleSlayer

Maybe if you don't want your private life - or what should be your private life - not to be seen as entertainment you shouldn't serve it up as such. Repeatedly. And for profit.

I think he just wants people to know the truth as he feels things were very unjust for him. I can understand that. I had to keep my family’s fucked up secrets and lies for so many years even though the impact on me was massive. When I got away from them, I wanted to tell everyone who would listen, the truth. For me obviously that meant telling my wider family and friends. But for Harry, so many people think they know him because of being in the RF that he feels he has to tell them all. I think it will be therapy in itself.

People deal with abuse and trauma in different ways. This is obviously what Harry has chosen to do. If people don’t like it, they can choose to not read or watch.

But with this - they have told proven lies so his truth might not be the truth after all.

That’s where they fucked up.

omgthepain · 21/05/2021 20:04

@parsnipsnotsprouts
@osbertthesyrianhamster

I agree he's making a career of whining

If his wife was close to suicide as she says and he's meant to be a mental health advocate and into all these "good works" he would have done something productive rather than emigrate for a private life and embarrass his family on national television

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 20:04

None of us know what the truth is. But I do know that people do not turn on their families for ‘nothing’. So I choose to believe Harry.

Oh, it's not nothing.

Harry is in a rage with his father because he refused to bankroll their life of 'financial independence' in California. He said as much on the first Oprah whinathon. It's worth repeating that only last year, they said very publicly that they wanted to 'carve out a progressive role within the royal family' and 'support' the queen. No talk of 'toxic' then. They wanted all the benefits with none of the restrictions.

Did you 'choose to believe' Harry then, or only since he went scorched earth when the money tap got turned off?

supermoonrising · 21/05/2021 20:07

Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 20:07

[quote supermoonrising]@IcedPurple
"toxic institution" was my phrase not his.

To answer what I think is your point: many people who were abused in life or work nevertheless retain the advantageous parts which they obtained during the period of abuse. Doesn't mean they weren't abused. Doesnt mean their family/boss/partner/spouse/company wasn't toxic or abusive. Your "black and white world" of simple truths and correct behaviour doesnt exist.[/quote]
So if you felt you'd been 'abused' in your workplace you'd want to continue working for them? If you felt an institution was 'abusive' you'd insist on using job titles from said institution even after 'finding freedom'? If you felt your parent was 'toxic' you'd still want him to keep funding you - as an almost middle aged adult - and get publicly whiny when he said you had to make your own way in life, as you had demanded?

I think the words 'toxic' and 'abusive' barely have meaning these days.

TruelyStruttingHotpants · 21/05/2021 20:08

@KaleSlayer

Yep until he gets to those teenage years and has his own insight into the situation. Then again around the time he becomes a father himself. Afraid he will have his own opinions and emotions about all this. Which may not match his parents idea scenario.

Well for me, my kids are in those teen years and are still very much ‘on my side’. Time will tell but I think Archie and their future daughter will be just fine. It seems quite sick that people want Harry and Meghans children to turn on them in the future. I think people will be very disappointed. But as I say time will tell. Parented well, children are very loyal and I think H and M will parent very well.

I can imagine they will be great parents. That really is not the point. Like I hope you have not behaved in a way your children would ever have concern about. The point is nothing these two say is going to be difficult to find in 15 or 30 years. The joy of the internet. Therefore they need to understand that one day it may impact on their children in a negative way. Look at Haz about all things Diana. It is not just here death that has affected him. It is news reports and her sadness etc.

LeilaLiesLow · 21/05/2021 20:08

People keep going on about the racism towards M but in all honesty where it the evidence? I read alot of the 'decent' press and never saw anything to do with her colour, ever.

I did read about- and saw- how she was sometimes dressed incorrectly for State occasions and times where she didn't behave with protocol on occasions and sometimes this involved the Queen.

I read about her anger over which tiara she wanted for the wedding and Harry's tantrums and his call that 'what M wants, M gets' even though the queen offered her a more suitable tiara

I doubt the anti- M lobby was never about her race but about her behaviour which at times was 'difficult' and showed a lack of respect or understanding for tradition and the right behaviour.

I also think that a lot of the public who had a very soft spot for Harry saw him being controlled by a woman with her own agenda and who found it impossible to abide by royal conventions, compared to the freedom of her life in the US.

Unlike Diana who was only 19 when she met C, married at 21 and a mum soon after, M was an older woman. she ought to have understand the downside of royal life. Privilege comes at a price and soon it was clear she wasn't willing to pay that.

Who knows how much effort she really made, or how much she decided long in advance that a title of Princess was her goal and hoped she'd retain it even if they left the UK.

This is maybe why people are against her, not because she is mixed race.

SueSaid · 21/05/2021 20:08

'The thing is they didn't want to leave the RF did they? They wanted all the benefits of being royal without any of the shitty bits. It's notable that it's only since their demands weren't met that demeanour towards the RF changed with loaded press releases and woe is me speeches. In their original "manifesto" they were full of praise for HMQ and stressed wanting to support her work and continue being members of a family that is apparently "now" utterly toxic. This whole charade smacks of them trying to justify their behaviour as would a child "so and so made me do it".'

This.

The latest snippet is how he was exhausted from his overseas trips and felt forced to go to Nepal. These trips led to 'burnout'. You couldn't make this up, wtf is wrong with him after a year where nhs staff and many others have endured real horrors he is complaining about burn out from gallivanting about.

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TruelyStruttingHotpants · 21/05/2021 20:10

@supermoonrising

Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.

That's right it is oblivious just about the colour of her skin nothing else. Thank you for such a insightful post. Obviously we are all a bunch of racists in the UK. Cheers

PandaLady · 21/05/2021 20:11

@Purrsuation that was a thread recently about the RF and if their role as HoS should be continued. I think many believed it shouldn't (although since I would like to see them abolished that could just be my opinion )

KaleSlayer · 21/05/2021 20:11

IcedPurple

You’re clearly very invested in this....I’m just someone who likes Harry and believes he’s a good man.

If Harry thought he could ‘do good’, then that would be reason for him wanting to keep in with the fam. I believe he has respect for the Queen. I think you would be surprised at some of the things said and done within this institution.

You’re clearly embarrassingly invested in this, so I will leave you to it.

SueSaid · 21/05/2021 20:13

'Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.'

The British public aren't taken in by this pair of woke hypocrites who wanted to be royal stars on their own terms and weren't allowed so are now sticking the boot. They also complain about their privacy being breached yet are telling non stop tales about his family.

Prince Andrew needs questioning, no one disputes that.

Staffy1 · 21/05/2021 20:13

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/05/2021 20:14

I find it interesting that so many posters seem to be taking it as read that the RF are victims in all this and Harry is lashing out in bitterness without substantial reason for doing so

Not all of us, Aspiringmatriarch; I've posted often about how foul some of the RF's behaviour is and I'm well aware of just how self protective they are

I'd suggest this is another example of two things which can stand independently. It's perfectly possible to criticise the RF and Harry for monetising his own criticisms, and not for their sake, but his own

FWIW I've also been very clear that this is Harry's decision to make; however what I won't be doing if it all goes wrong is to join in any chorus about how he "had no choice" and what a victim he is

NotNowPlzz · 21/05/2021 20:14

Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.

This this this.

bluebird3 · 21/05/2021 20:15

Harry speaking his thoughts and mind without care to the impact it has on his family seems to me to be entirely reasonable when you've been deeply hurt by those people.

My sister's treatment of me for our entire childhood was borderline abusive (although she and my parents didn't see it like that) and I at some point gave up. I no longer planned around her or changed what I wanted to do to suit her. I did what was right for me and didn't think or care how it effected her. It was me standing up for myself. I feel like this is Harry now.

Everyone judging him has no idea what has happened to him and perhaps he just simply no longer gives a shit about them or how what he says effects them. Or maybe it's undeserved. The point is we don't know. He's given up a lot of privilege (obviously not all) to be able to speak his mind and if the other royals want to speak theirs they are welcome to follow suit.

supermoonrising · 21/05/2021 20:17

That's right it is oblivious just about the colour of her skin nothing else. Thank you for such a insightful post. Obviously we are all a bunch of racists in the UK.

I dont think so at all. I think the majority are fairly tolerant - "tolerant" being the correct word here. Every country has issues with racism. But I do think the UK has deceived itself about how non-racist it is. Eg,
"84% of BAME Britons still think Britain is very or somewhat racist."
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/06/26/nine-ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev

Perhaps they're all wrong.

adrianmolesmole · 21/05/2021 20:19

@supermoonrising

Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.

Hear hear

Chunkymenrock · 21/05/2021 20:23

OP seems to have stirred the pot and now buggered off for good.

LidlMiddleLover · 21/05/2021 20:26

@parsnipsnotsprouts

Really? I think he’s making a career out of whining

Exactly so but criticism of Ex RH Harry and his sidekick doesn’t go down well on mumsnet

Aspiringmatriarch · 21/05/2021 20:27

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I find it interesting that so many posters seem to be taking it as read that the RF are victims in all this and Harry is lashing out in bitterness without substantial reason for doing so

Not all of us, Aspiringmatriarch; I've posted often about how foul some of the RF's behaviour is and I'm well aware of just how self protective they are

I'd suggest this is another example of two things which can stand independently. It's perfectly possible to criticise the RF and Harry for monetising his own criticisms, and not for their sake, but his own

FWIW I've also been very clear that this is Harry's decision to make; however what I won't be doing if it all goes wrong is to join in any chorus about how he "had no choice" and what a victim he is

And there's no reason you should. Harry is making his own decisions, clearly. I just think there's a lot we don't know about why exactly he seems to be so done with the RF/ the firm. There's enough out there in the public domain to join the dots and think he might well feel pretty screwed over. And he's not just talking about his family, he's talking about an institution with a very bad track record for looking after anyone but the inner inner circle, and a very bad track record for pushing others to a pretty desperate place.

adrianmolesmole · 21/05/2021 20:29

@LeilaLiesLow