I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

I must say I used to respect Oprah. But she’s using Harry and Meghan.

I think part of their mental health problems revolves around them being totally self absorbed. Perhaps if they tried to focus their attention away from themselves things might be easier for them. When William and Harry did this kind of thing together they included harrowing stories from the general public.

Maybe if you don't want your private life - or what should be your private life - not to be seen as entertainment you shouldn't serve it up as such. Repeatedly. And for profit.

I think he just wants people to know the truth as he feels things were very unjust for him. I can understand that. I had to keep my family’s fucked up secrets and lies for so many years even though the impact on me was massive. When I got away from them, I wanted to tell everyone who would listen, the truth. For me obviously that meant telling my wider family and friends. But for Harry, so many people think they know him because of being in the RF that he feels he has to tell them all. I think it will be therapy in itself.

People deal with abuse and trauma in different ways. This is obviously what Harry has chosen to do. If people don’t like it, they can choose to not read or watch.

It looks like the thing Harry inherited from his Mum was paranoia - but hers was more understandable in the light of the BBC enquiry.

With limited exceptions, most of the country was thrilled he'd found 'the one' and Meghan was welcomed with open arms. It was her/their actions that changed that - the colour of her skin was and is irrelevant.

@Froglette16

I must say I used to respect Oprah. But she’s using Harry and Meghan.

They're adults with full capacity. They're doing this mutually.

The entire country was bitching about her - mainstream media, social media, endless bitchy hater threads on here like this one. She had arrived in a country hoping for a new life. Wouldn't you feel depressed in that circumstance? Most women on here can't cope with criticism from their MIL let alone being hated on by a whole country

Absolutely. So much fake apparent concern by the armchair experts here about the mental health of a grown man yet a suicidal pregnant woman is labelled an "abuser".

Hmm I wonder why that is?

I agree with others saying that Harry seems to resent being born royal because he imagines life outside the royal family to be one of endless free choices.

Of course being born poor or even of "normal" wealth isn't plain sailing either. But as a "normal" person I thank my lucky stars I wasn't born into the goldfish bowl/ straightjacket of so called Royalty. He has every right to feel resentful. It's a toxic institution that should have been done away with half a century ago.

He knows the RF will not respond publicly so he can say he felt unsupported at the time of the mother’s death .. he can say whatever he wants and they will never respond publicly.

@Froglette16 They're both using Harry imo.

I think Meghan's issues with the RF came when she realised being a princess didn't mean she lived a fairytale and got everything she wanted - it's a privileged life, but it's a job, and she wasn't the most important one in the family.

And she then convinced Harry they were being incredibly hard done by and needed to be free. I think she's fuelling a lot of his feelings of resentment for fame and profit and I think he's just extremely sheltered, easily led and out of touch with the real world.

I think he is being honest

To be so open about how fragile you feel is brave

I think he just wants people to know the truth as he feels things were very unjust for him.

"The truth"?

You have no idea if this incoherent ranting is 'the truth'. We know and he knows that the royals aren't going to stoop to his level so his allegations will likely remain unchallenged. But that doesn't mean it's 'the truth'.

But for Harry, so many people think they know him because of being in the RF that he feels he has to tell them all. I think it will be therapy in itself.

Really? You saw that angry little man and thought 'Yup. He's on the road to healing'?

People deal with abuse and trauma in different ways. This is obviously what Harry has chosen to do. If people don’t like it, they can choose to not read or watch.

Sure. But Harry can't choose how people are going to react to him making a public spectacle of himself. For two so obsssed with 'controlling the narrative', it's pretty dumb to invite viewers to gawp at your 'pain' for cash.

Yep until he gets to those teenage years and has his own insight into the situation. Then again around the time he becomes a father himself. Afraid he will have his own opinions and emotions about all this. Which may not match his parents idea scenario.

Well for me, my kids are in those teen years and are still very much ‘on my side’. Time will tell but I think Archie and their future daughter will be just fine. It seems quite sick that people want Harry and Meghans children to turn on them in the future. I think people will be very disappointed. But as I say time will tell. Parented well, children are very loyal and I think H and M will parent very well.

I think it would also be healthy for him to recognise that Diana was not an innocent as far as the press were concerned. She rang them to take photos of her when she wanted.

@adrianmolesmole

The entire country was bitching about her - mainstream media, social media, endless bitchy hater threads on here like this one. She had arrived in a country hoping for a new life. Wouldn't you feel depressed in that circumstance? Most women on here can't cope with criticism from their MIL let alone being hated on by a whole country

Absolutely. So much fake apparent concern by the armchair experts here about the mental health of a grown man yet a suicidal pregnant woman is labelled an "abuser".

Hmm I wonder why that is?

Presumably because people don't like her or think there is something in that scenario that rings a bell. Not really a thing to wonder about 🤷‍♀️

@supermoonrising

I agree with others saying that Harry seems to resent being born royal because he imagines life outside the royal family to be one of endless free choices.

Of course being born poor or even of "normal" wealth isn't plain sailing either. But as a "normal" person I thank my lucky stars I wasn't born into the goldfish bowl/ straightjacket of so called Royalty. He has every right to feel resentful. It's a toxic institution that should have been done away with half a century ago.

If Harry is so 'resentful' of this 'toxic institution' why did he take a ducal title only 3 years ago? And have his wife become an active part of said 'toxic institution'?

More to the point, why do they still insist on using titles bestowed on them by said 'toxic instituion' they found freedom from?

IcedPurple

Harry being angry that he had to call out the racism directed at his wife is absolutely justified

Your obvious anger is misplaced

@OhWhyNot

IcedPurple

Harry being angry that he had to call out the racism directed at his wife is absolutely justified

Your obvious anger is misplaced

The same Harry who referred to an army comrade as 'Our little P*ki friend' and described people as 'ragheads'?

I agree with you. If he was truly concerned about her then he knew exactly what to do and could afford to do it.
Why are two adults getting away with alleging that they asked for help from royal household staff and didn't get it? Why on earth did they ask for help in the first place? (Assuming what they say is true).

This is what I didnt understand. He'd already talked about being in therapy well before this point, and was a patron (I think) of Heads together, so I would have thought they would be able to access someone who could help or at least give them a contact (presumably his own therapist was discrete if they were worried about leaks, as I've never seen any therapists touting their inside knowledge of him to the media) , as well as the possibility if asking her dr at the Portland.
And it wasnt discussed how they eventually did obtain help. How did either of them survive the first year of parenthood without help if she was suicidal before the baby was born? Would she have had to do the questionnaire to pick up PND that most new mums have to do admittedly I only have experience of nhs drs

When she talked about the secret wedding , she said "we" called the Archbishop of Canterbury...inferring that they did had access to their own phones and didnt have to go through the "officials" for everything.

I find it interesting that so many posters seem to be taking it as read that the RF are victims in all this and Harry is lashing out in bitterness without substantial reason for doing so. I can see the debate over how healthy it is to be so public about the issues they've had. I worry it will add fuel to the fire. But the RF protect themselves as an institution at all costs and have every reason to allow Meghan and Harry to bear the brunt of the public's disapproval. It's well known that they have a Faustian pact with the press and they're desperate to ensure the direct heirs to the throne stay in everyone's good graces. The amount of bad press, the sheer number of stories about H&M in, say, the DM, amounts to a kind of brainwashing. It doesn't take a genius to work out that there's an awful lot the RF are keeping quiet by any means necessary.

@Froglette16

I must say I used to respect Oprah. But she’s using Harry and Meghan.

Oprah isn't using them anymore than they are her. It is a business relationship. Since the first interview she has actually come out and been very honest about not realising they would go for it so much.

Prior to the interview they made sure that they had control over the editing written in there contact. So even if Oprah had wanted to cut bits out or something she couldn't. Plus the vile network involved would probably had something to say about it if she did.

I’m not sure why M&H were appalled when her father did interview after interview on national TV to the point they cut him off but don’t feel it’s hypocritical to do the same to Harry’s father and the rest of the Royals.

I don’t doubt for one moment that Harry wasn’t happy as a member of the RF and was seriously traumatised by the circumstances surrounding his Mothers death and her funeral. I don’t doubt emotions ‘weren’t done’ in the RF and that he has found therapy helpful. But why did he feel the need to go on Oprah with it all. I wonder if the intention is for it not so much to help others but as a retaliation and fingers up to his shitty upbringing and family.

The only people who had no script to follow in that interview were the chickens.

IcedPurple

None of us know what the truth is. But I do know that people do not turn on their families for ‘nothing’. So I choose to believe Harry.

I think Harry is angry at certain things. I think it would be strange if he wasn’t. But when he talks about his life with his wife and child, he seems very happy.

He can’t control how people react. But he can just put his side of things out there. And I think that will help him.

He’s an adult making his choices. He’ll deal with the consequences.

I like Harry and sympathise with him, but what will be will be.

@KaleSlayer

Yep until he gets to those teenage years and has his own insight into the situation. Then again around the time he becomes a father himself. Afraid he will have his own opinions and emotions about all this. Which may not match his parents idea scenario.

Well for me, my kids are in those teen years and are still very much ‘on my side’. Time will tell but I think Archie and their future daughter will be just fine. It seems quite sick that people want Harry and Meghans children to turn on them in the future. I think people will be very disappointed. But as I say time will tell. Parented well, children are very loyal and I think H and M will parent very well.

I’d put money on it they will be just like the other LA mega rich celeb kids falling out of night clubs.

I wonder if they will do a ‘at home with the Sussex’s’

@Viviennemary

Its really bad that the Portland apparently did not pick up on the mental health problems of one of their patients. I thought the care was meant to be amongst the best in the country for maternity services.

IIRC Harry said that he was "too embarrassed" to tell anyone that Meghan needed mh support.

Harry also said that the Royal family refused requests for Meghan's mh support.

Obviously one of those statements is a lie, unless the Royal family are apparently psychic.