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I think harry is really brave

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ssd · 21/05/2021 09:18

Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

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DontDrinkDontSmokeWhatDoIDo · 21/05/2021 19:08

The bit that stuck out for me was the drinking.

"I didn't drink during the week, but the stress of my life meant I would have a whole week's worth on a Friday & Saturday".

Hmmmmm.... positioned as family induced mental health problems, but more
Like a typical young British person, Harry?

Maireas · 21/05/2021 19:11

The Portland hospital don't come out of this well. That antenatal package is ££££ ( I know, I had it) and you get midwives, a doula and a consultant obstetrician. A counsellor is also offered. If she was suicidal and calmly planned the method, where on earth were they? What happened at check ins? My consultant phoned me regularly and discussed progression. She's now crying into her pillow again, not wanting to bother Harry. Where is her US antenatal support? No pregnant woman should feel so isolated and depressed.
Harry should have her ob/gyn on speed dial bearing in mind what happened before.

ElspethFlashman · 21/05/2021 19:12

I think he sounds very unwell actually.

The way he conflates Megan with Diana. Like "they were going to kill Megan like they killed my Mum".

It sounds very unhealthy for someone who's been having therapy for years.

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 19:13

@KaleSlayer

Posted to soon. There’s a lot of interest in this, look at the media, online forums such as here, people are interested.
Is there interest?

Sure.

But then, there's interest in the Kardashians, in the Real Housewives, in cats chasing their tails on YouTube. And that's the level this is on. A spectacle served up for us to gawk at. The only one profitting is Oprah.

Whitchurch · 21/05/2021 19:13

@Iamaperwinkle

I think the following:

He states he has been having therapy for 4 1/2 nearly 5 years BUT.......he says this was Meghan MAKING him go -he had a counsellor -make it 4 years ago -Dec 2016 they met May 2016. Yet she says when she was pregnant August 2018 -she had nowhere to turn and couldn't get counselling and no one was allowed it -yet by Harry's own words- over 2 years early he had started therapy and counselling -I don't get it.

They have the money to pay for therapy -do they even understand how the rest of it works for us??

I agree with you. If he was truly concerned about her then he knew exactly what to do and could afford to do it. Why are two adults getting away with alleging that they asked for help from royal household staff and didn't get it? Why on earth did they ask for help in the first place? (Assuming what they say is true).
Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/05/2021 19:16

It is entirely possible to discuss the effect something has had, without disclosing details of the event itself - (especially to the world's press!)

This is true; however without the "revelations" I doubt he'd have got the screen time/money

With so many able to speak cogently about MH issues, his title and "insider gossip" seem to be all he's able to offer - and by heck the media sharks are making the most of it

EsmaCannonball · 21/05/2021 19:19

I wonder if all this talk about mental health actually helps people or if it is making the world a more depressing place? It's good that mental health is being de-stigmatised but it does seem as if our culture and media is being swamped by trauma and negativity at the moment, and there is possibly an element of social contagion as well. Celebrity culture used to offer people a bit of escape and entertainment, but now it just throws back the worst elements of life at us and makes constant demands on our sympathy.

Viviennemary · 21/05/2021 19:21

Its really bad that the Portland apparently did not pick up on the mental health problems of one of their patients. I thought the care was meant to be amongst the best in the country for maternity services.

brushlaptop · 21/05/2021 19:25

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 hit the nail on the head there 💯

KaleSlayer · 21/05/2021 19:25

But then, there's interest in the Kardashians, in the Real Housewives, in cats chasing their tails on YouTube. And that's the level this is on. A spectacle served up for us to gawk at.

I agree that for much of the public, that’s exactly what this is. But that says a lot about the public really. A man has been through some really bad things due to his upbringing and the public have become so brainwashed by media that we treat it like entertainment. Appalling really.

flapjackfairy · 21/05/2021 19:26

I cant believe either of them could think it was appropriate to discuss the fact that Meghan was planning to kill herself and was only prevented from doing so by the thought of what it would to Harry. She was pregnant with Archie for goodness sake and if it is true it must have been truly terrifying for Harry . But this should have been dealt with privately with the proper professional support. Not because of the stigma or shame of acknowledging it of course but because in years to come that little boy is going to read about and hear all about it. Imagine knowing your mum wanted to.kill.herself and would have taken you with her. He is likely to learn all about it at a young age without the maturity to process it and understand it properly. They are storing up massive mental health issues for their child right there. Talk about passing on the pain and suffering to the next generation. The very thing Harry says he wants to avoid.

Unsure33 · 21/05/2021 19:27

What is Archie going to think when he grows up and finds out that his mother was considering suicide while pregnant with him?!

Don’t they think that might affect his mental health ?

Personally I think that is worse than what Harry has suffered .

DeRigueurMortis · 21/05/2021 19:27

@Viviennemary

Its really bad that the Portland apparently did not pick up on the mental health problems of one of their patients. I thought the care was meant to be amongst the best in the country for maternity services.

Indeed....

FrippEnos · 21/05/2021 19:30

I pity Harry (not that he cares) and worry about the damage that this is going to do to those that follow him in damaging their relationships with their families because they think its the thing to do because harry did it.

PurpleRainDancer · 21/05/2021 19:31

@flapjackfairy

I cant believe either of them could think it was appropriate to discuss the fact that Meghan was planning to kill herself and was only prevented from doing so by the thought of what it would to Harry. She was pregnant with Archie for goodness sake and if it is true it must have been truly terrifying for Harry . But this should have been dealt with privately with the proper professional support. Not because of the stigma or shame of acknowledging it of course but because in years to come that little boy is going to read about and hear all about it. Imagine knowing your mum wanted to.kill.herself and would have taken you with her. He is likely to learn all about it at a young age without the maturity to process it and understand it properly. They are storing up massive mental health issues for their child right there. Talk about passing on the pain and suffering to the next generation. The very thing Harry says he wants to avoid.
This absolutely.
KeflavikAirport · 21/05/2021 19:31

This is all a great case for the abolition of the monarchy so this nonsense doesn’t carry on down many more generations

Watapalava · 21/05/2021 19:31

I think he’s either mentally unwell or a disgrace

So he can heal his own mental health by potentially causing others to suffer? His behaviour is awful

Strength doesn’t mean talking publically

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/05/2021 19:32

Its really bad that the Portland apparently did not pick up on the mental health problems of one of their patients

Isn't it the Portland where Lucinda Green (a very highly regarded perinatal psychiatrist) is based?

Hard to imagine such an eminent specialist wouldn't have been receptive to an approach ...

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 19:33

@KaleSlayer

But then, there's interest in the Kardashians, in the Real Housewives, in cats chasing their tails on YouTube. And that's the level this is on. A spectacle served up for us to gawk at.

I agree that for much of the public, that’s exactly what this is. But that says a lot about the public really. A man has been through some really bad things due to his upbringing and the public have become so brainwashed by media that we treat it like entertainment. Appalling really.

Huh?

Maybe if you don't want your private life - or what should be your private life - not to be seen as entertainment you shouldn't serve it up as such. Repeatedly. And for profit.

And don't give me 'Oh he's bravely sharing his struggles so as to help others." No he isn't. He's not discussing resources which could help ordinary people. He's not raising money for any relevant charities. He's just indulging his extreme bitterness about the family who are the only reason he got anywhere near a TV programme. If this was Harry Bloggs nobody would give a toss about his 'pain'. But because he comes from the world's most famous family and is happy to wash their dirty laundry (or what he claims to be their dirty laundry) in public, he's got an audience. And those who wil profit from it are happy to indulge him.

He's being exploited but is too thick to understand it. If royal life was like The Truman Show, what's his new life? The Jeremy Kyle show?

supermoonrising · 21/05/2021 19:33

Look at the behaviour of Diana, Harry, Charles and Andrew over the years (those are just the ones we know about) and one thing is incredibly obvious is that the British Royal Family is an absolutely toxic institution that creates mental breakdowns and causes/harbours fucked up individuals. Enough talk about "modernising", just get rid of it it's a toxic anachronism of privilege and performance that belongs in another time. I don't like seeing children born into a straightjacket, being dressed up like something out of the 1920s and spending the best years of their lives cutting ribbons and getting gawped at simply because their ancient ancestors stole someones land.

KaleSlayer · 21/05/2021 19:34

What is Archie going to think when he grows up and finds out that his mother was considering suicide while pregnant with him?!

I’m sure they will talk to him about it many times throughout his life along with all of this other stuff. If children feel loved, like I’m sure Archie will, he will feel nothing but loyalty and understanding to his mum and what she went through.

DeRigueurMortis · 21/05/2021 19:38

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yet another excellent post, DeRigeurMortis

Thank you 😊

I don't think it's any coincidence that the main target for his criticism is his father - someone he'd previously spoken so kindly about and how they talked for hours and hours - after PC informed him that no, he wasn't going to keep giving Harry £2.4m a year from the DoC funds, the purpose of which was to cover the costs of being a working royal if he didn't want to do the job.

Badpicknic · 21/05/2021 19:39

He went on: "The thing that stopped her from seeing it through was how unfair it would be on me after everything that had happened to my mum and to now be put in a position of losing another woman in my life, with a baby inside of her, our baby

This is incredibly manipulative and if she did say this then she is making Harry responsible for her and her baby staying alive. I’m surprised one of his therapists havnt pointed it out.

He told Oprah: "My mother was chased to her death when she was in a relationship with someone who wasn't white, and now look what's happened. You're talking about history repeating itself? They're not going to stop until she dies

Deary me. It’s embarrassing.

EsmaCannonball · 21/05/2021 19:41

I agree with others saying that Harry seems to resent being born royal because he imagines life outside the royal family to be one of endless free choices. He has no conception that if you are born poor you have massive limitations placed on your life and often very few options, that if you're poor and you fuck up at school and get involved with drink and drugs you don't get bailed out into a luxury lifestyle, that anyone with a real job is constantly scrutinised and assessed and can lose everything if they fail to please their employer. His ivory tower thinking doesn't enable him to see that most people who aren't millionaires live inside all kinds of traps and limitations. He seems unable to acknowledge the immensely lucky side of his life.

TruelyStruttingHotpants · 21/05/2021 19:41

@KaleSlayer

What is Archie going to think when he grows up and finds out that his mother was considering suicide while pregnant with him?!

I’m sure they will talk to him about it many times throughout his life along with all of this other stuff. If children feel loved, like I’m sure Archie will, he will feel nothing but loyalty and understanding to his mum and what she went through.

Yep until he gets to those teenage years and has his own insight into the situation. Then again around the time he becomes a father himself. Afraid he will have his own opinions and emotions about all this. Which may not match his parents idea scenario.
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