I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion.

Personally I think he's a grown man, who should stop blaming his parents for everything. It's reasonable at 18, but just embarrassing at 35. He's had the resource and opportunty to sort it out for himself for more than a decade. Brave he certainly is not.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

I imagine Harry fears running out of money, which is well founded given the eye watering costs of his new LA lifestyle, now no longer funded by the good old British tax payer. Even those with very average mathematical ability will be able to clearly identify the tens of millions needed to keep going until the end. It must be very daunting when you have never even paid a bill in your life before now.

Summercoc

Your boring now, we get it you hate them both.

@Roussette

derxa

When my brother died my very quiet introverted mother went down to our wood and howled in pain. My brother's funeral was full of people weeping whereas my old dad's was a celebration of his life. Of course people mourn their elderly parents but an untimely death is like a shock to the system

So agree.
Very similar here. The funeral of a tragic loss is just unbearable, and heart rending.

These posts on how to 'quantify' grief are getting slightly away from the OP's question.

However, I'm not going to stop posting when I see other posters trying to minimise or use 'logic' around a loved one's death.

@derxa I do not doubt that people grieve for the loss of a short life, of a young person, or as a result of an accident, in a different way. But grief is a very unique and personal response.

But I can tell you in all honesty that when our father died in his 90s, my brother took many a long walk in the woods and howled. Likewise, I shed many a tear on my own walks in the hills, where no one witnessed my tears.

Let's not forget either that funerals are often very different according to the wishes of the dead person. My mother wants her funeral to be happy, full of joy at her life, with all mourners in bright clothes. I know I will find that hard to manage. My late father was happy to be buried in a box in the garden, with no one present, though we didn't carry that out as the future sale of their house might be an issue. :)

Let's not try to measure grief according to some artificially held stereotypical ideas of young v old, celebration of life v mourning.
Every family is different.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

My worst nightmare is losing a member of my family. I would imagine some terrible howling will come out of me. But in private. Like your poor mam derxa.

I daren’t cry. I am the coper (that actually autocorrected to viper....) in the family. People look to me to be their stay.

I cry at silly things like adverts. But it is just a moist eye or solitary tear. I can cry at programmes/dramas. Alone.

If I’m crying in public (away from family) then I’m breaking. And badly.

I lost two people near to me last year. Suddenly. Horribly. Tragically. I can’t cry over that. I daren’t. I’m almost grateful there wasn’t a funeral (Covid) because I wouldn’t have been alone in breaking and I might have lost myself.

You will cry but maybe over something else that triggers sadness. I wept buckets over Diana's death but really I was crying for my brother.

KaleSlayer
You cannot heal your hurt by creating hurt for others.

But it can be very healing to let people know what actually happened in a situation rather than let them keep thinking something else, put out there by someone else.

I agree. But sweeping or vague allegations clarting everyone with the same mire was deeply unfair.

And most of this could have been dealt with privately.

For me, it was done not with the intent of healing but in pure spite. No one could ever think that interview was going to make everything all better again. For anyone involved.

I don’t suspect any of us will ever know the whole truth of it. I just wish he could heal his hurts in private with those who have always loved him.

Oh derxa

In a world where people are losing their loved ones, homes, jobs, relationships, are under horrendous financial strain, health suffering and freedom taken away, I personally think rich, pampered, 30 odd year old Prince Harry and his wife Meghan should shut the fuck up about what victims they are and blaming their parents for everything.
Especially as his Grandmother has just lost her husband and his father has just lost his own father.
Their whining is tone deaf.

@mylovelydd. Beautifully put.

Let's not try to measure grief according to some artificially held stereotypical ideas of young v old, celebration of life v mourning.
Every family is different. I agree though. We can only relate our own experiences.

@Summercocktailsinthesnow

Harry would stay there, as Meghan would fight tooth and nail to keep them with her

It is no accident that they just happened to end up in the US is it bluntness? Meghan knew exactly what she was doing. Despite the new start in Canada they were supposed to be sharing, that lasted just a few weeks. Harry now finds himself on her home turf and she is holding all of the cards, particularly if they split. All credit to her, she has played an absolute blinder. Flawless.

Definitely a complete blinder. Should H&M divorce, M gets the house, the Duchess title, residential custody of the kids, and a new "platform" talking about how difficult it has all been trying to "save" her Prince.

H meanwhile will be lucky to get unsupervised visitation with his kids after he has finished talking about how mentally damaged he is.

There will be ample podcasts/tv shows of Harry's "bonkers" behaviour to back up Meghan's claims.

As a plus, in California, after 10 years of marriage spouses are entitled to 50% in divorce settlements. They're only at 3 years now, so could be a few years yet.

However, I'm not going to stop posting when I see other posters trying to minimise or use 'logic' around a loved one's death.

How is it trying to minimise any loved ones death? Just to point out that a very elderly person dying is not generally viewed as 'great suffering'?

@Roussette articulated it really well in a pp. I'll probably be flamed for this as well, but I'm glad for people who haven't had to suffer the death of a young person because the horror of it is unimaginable, and incomparable.

@IcedPurple

They wanted to work something out with the RF and were stonewalled.

That's a strange way to put it. They were arrogant enough to publicly demand that they be allowed to keep almost all their - taxpayer subsidisied - royal privileges while doing almost none of the duties. They didn't even bother to reach an agreement with the royals before posting their daft 'Manifesto'. And they weren't 'stonewalled'. They were told that the 'half in half out' deal they demanded was a non-starter, as anyone with even half a clue could have told them all along.

I have no problem with 'the Sussex Royal thing', why should I?

Would you have a problem if you ran a company and a former employee wanted to use and profit from your brand name while no longer working for your company? I think almost everybody would.

They tried to come to an agreement before the public announcement. The Sussex Royal thing was set up ages ago. You're getting your chronology wrong and you clearly haven't listened to what they've actually said about the whole situation and how bad it got, so there's no point in talking to you about it.

You sound very angry Rousette, maybe this thread is not good for you

@Velveteenchair

Not very angry at all as can be seen from all my other posts. It's a tad odd this is your only post on this thread of nearly 700 messages?

Is that all you are going to contribute to the discussion?

I really hope Harry’s marriage is very strong and is going to last for the next 40/50 years because I think he has burnt his boats with the rest of his family. I personally doubt that it will , California is know for couples celebrating there golden wedding anniversary . I have a really bad feeling that in a decade Harry might be a very sad lonely man. I really hope I’m wrong.

I agree. Leaving the Firm was the only logical way to stop history repeating itself - historical analysis of his situation made that clear. It was very brave because everyone knows how savage they are to anyone that doesn't tow the line. The opportunists & acolytes around them have spawned their own profitable cottage industry that now consists of nothing more than spouting bile against Harry, Meghan & Archie and that will never go away.

He's a great family man doing what he's done & more importantly his life isn't the Truman Show vomited up daily for our entertainment daily. He lost his beloved mum to this ridiculous circus & did the only rational thing-leave & then speak out. He's just a young guy with a family and people need to lay off.

Tbh he’s getting on my nerves a bit now. I’m assuming it’s very lucrative, but won’t last forever.

Well said @Polkadots2021

I was very ill for a while in my 20s and was sectioned at one point. I had some pretty bad stuff happen in my childhood and had to deal with death at a very young age, like Harry. I spent a lot of time in therapy and was estranged from my mother for quite a few years.
I have to say, I still can't relate to Harry.

Therapy is something very personal and the objective is to heal. I was trying to imagine talking about my childhood and dysfunctional things that went on in my family on such a public platform and it just made me feel anxious and I'm really surprised that it doesn't make him feel the same. Unless he's trying to cut ties completely with his family, I don't understand why he's doing it. When he has to see them again it's going to be so toxic for everyone. These are things that should be dealt with between them with the objective of trying to heal and understand each other, not for the world to pick apart.

It seems that some of this is coming from a place of anger and he's trying to put it across as it's him helping other people, but he seems incredibly self-absorbed and intent on lashing out at his family as opposed to really healing himself or helping others do the same. His brother also lost his mum and shared the same upbringing and all of this public interest in private matters must be really difficult for him. Harry doesn't seem to be thinking about the fallout for William. It's all very sad and I think one day he'll live to regret it.

He's also a new father and we all make mistakes as parents and end up with our kids resenting is over one thing or another. I'm not defending their upbringing, because the royal family is a really cold, dysfunctional environment for a child to grow up in. I expect Charles did his best with the emotional tools he had, as will Harry, but maybe in years time it will be Harry's son talking to him about what he did wrong as a parent, because nobody ever really gets it right. We all fuck U.K. somewhere along the line.

They tried to come to an agreement before the public announcement. The Sussex Royal thing was set up ages ago. You're getting your chronology wrong and you clearly haven't listened to what they've actually said about the whole situation and how bad it got, so there's no point in talking to you about it.

Given that they've fibbed repeatedly in the past, I'm not sure why I should uncritically believe their allegations.

The fact is they went public with their demands before any agreement had been reached. Not only was that incredibly arrogant, it was also idiotic because almost all of their demands were turned down, as anyone with any clue knew they would have to be.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "The Sussex Royal thing was set up ages ago". They left the royal family to find freedom whining on TV in California. Why should they be allowed to continue to use a royal 'brand' when they were no longer working members of the royal family?

Good post @expatinspain .

@LeilaLiesLow haha yes, public! Typed too quickly.

Perhaps he is done with worrying about their mental health when they have completely disregarded his? Who knows.

My father acted poorly my entire life in relation to my feelings and I’d happily tell the news all about it now if they were interested. His feelings aren’t important to me because mine have never even entered his thoughts.

I think the point here is that Harry couldn’t really care less whether a group of people on MN supper him or not. He’s living his life now.

@SteveArnottsCodeine

I agree. His family are hugely dysfunctional and toxic..... and funded by us. I admire him for lifting the lid on all of it.

This.

Nothing sinister, I have come home from work and read through the last few pages. I will happily comment now but your anger, telling someone to sod off, surprised me on a thread like this.

Harry is in pain. His wife has been ill treated. He needs to work things out. But not on television.

Paquerette Absolutely spot on, what an accomplished way to get precisely what you want without doing anything, and safe guarding every possible angle of your new life. Harry has been absolutely done over, stitched up good and proper and stands no chance now against the shit hot lawyers and the US legal system, he will be mince meat - particularly as it is not difficult to see how one might call him unstable, unsafe or a danger to himself and others. He has offered it all up on a plate.

I am not sure if I feel sorry for him that he has been so naive and stupid or genuinely worried that he was strong armed into the move by someone threatening suicide. Either way it delivered the same result.

*fuck up, not fuck U.K. 😂 Kind of fitting typo on this topic!