I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

Terrible for their PR. They have used up most there main cards now. Racist family, Charles a bad parent, Diana's death, William trapped and their mental health.

Now we will have them going over these things from every angle until the public get bored. It they had just pulled one card at a time over the next few years. Well that would have been good PR.

or another reason, maybe he had made peace with his gf and it was their joint decision for him not to fly over. It's just a really sad situation for everyone involved and maybe the best thing he could do is take time out somewhere quiet away from all the media hype they have helped create and spend time on their own away from the limelight

If ONLY Harry had done this. If only, but it is too late now.

According to royal sources Prince Philip was appalled and horrified by Harry's behaviour, and there was no peaceful reconciliation at the end because Harry was too busy launching the Oprah show to dismantle the creditability of his own family. That is what mattered to Harry when it really mattered, not grieving the loss of his grandfather, nor flying over to comfort his family, or spending time outside the media circus. Nope he was busy cranking up the audience for Oprah. Now tell me that is actions of a decent and kind human being dogssausage?

Or is it the actions of a greedy callous man child hellbent on revenge and needing to pay for an A lister lifestyle for his demanding wife?

@Alonim

William and Harry are different people *@Watermelon222*

We all respond to death and grieve differently. Plus William went through the death of his mum at a different age to his brother - obviously. What's not so obvious is that they were at different stages of development and that would - in addition - change the way they were affected by their trauma.

I think losing your mum as a child affects a persons identity profoundly. Harry might seem like a bore - but even with therapy the death of his mum will always be a fundamental part of who he is. Every stage of your life puts your grief into a new light. Having children has been the most significant time for that to happen and is probably why Harry is being so vocal now.

Yes but just because someone isn’t vocal or outwardly expressing their pain it doesn’t mean they aren’t affected by it.

Does harry have the monopoly on grief?

I lost a parent as a teen too, and our family was extremely stiff upper lip and get on with it. I was back in school the next day. It was never talked about in my presence. Do I blame anyone? Not at all. People do what they think is best, dependent on their own upbringing.

'It’s not a great post at all. Harry did not walk away. He tried the SussexRoyal thing, which was very much not walking away. Remember that?'

Yes, this is what sparked the anger. If he was so very disenfranchised with the whole set up why on earth would be have wanted stay part of it. Why has he spoken so lovingly about his df until the very moment he was told 'no, that won't work sorry'.

Apparently there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I would beg to differ.

@Roussette

I didn't say it could be measured on a scale. I am just not sure where you got that from.

If you have ever suffered a completely awful horrific tragedy of someone in the prime of their life, you just cannot think of it exactly the same as a 99 year old passing away at home. (Sorry, I will say 'passing away,' because it suits the point I am trying to make)

I have never ever suggested someone should 'get on with it'. Never, and I do bridle at that suggestion given I have spoken to very many bereaved people with something I was involved in for a long time.

I am not trying to put anything on a scale but I just know that someone who has gone through an unexpected shocking tragedy of a young person, talks very differently to a person whose elderly parent just slipped away in their nineties. Yes, the grief is there, of course it is. But the raw shock of someone's young life gone in the flip of a coin, isn't.

Now... you can take offence at that if you wish. That is what I feel and have experienced from personal grief and from others.

I agree Roussette. When my brother died my very quiet introverted mother went down to our wood and howled in pain. My brother's funeral was full of people weeping whereas my old dad's was a celebration of his life. Of course people mourn their elderly parents but an untimely death is like a shock to the system.

Strawberry

Yes, indeed. And a neverending 'what might have been'. And 'if only' this and 'if only' that.
It did show me that a life can be snatched just like that, and to live every minute because you just don't know.

Yes, so much the children who were left, they were all affected deeply but more so with the youngest who didn't have the memories of her siblings because she was too little.

@Crankley

I am torn in half on this.

When he got together with MM I really hated the endless negativity and criticism of her and when they decided to withdraw from Royal life, I couldn't understand why people wouldn't just let them go and live quietly somewhere. It's obviously living quietly wasn't on their agenda.

I just saw something of his latest ramblings and really hope they have good health insurance because he just comes over as emotionally and mentally incontinent and I can see him needed a lot of psychiatric help.

However sad this is, his public outpourings against his family are a total disgrace. Also how stupid do you have to be to go begging to your father for millions after you have announced to the world that he was a terrible parent?

MM looks to be the very last sort of person he needs in his life and I wonder how long before that unravels?

Same here, Crankley

I was thrilled when they announced their engagement - I thought she'd bring a breath of fresh air to an outdate institution.

She didn't.

I can't believe I'm joining in this conversation because I don't like or care about the RF normally. But it's interesting and a good distraction from other worries ...

Perhaps Meghan and Harry have joined a cult/religion that encourages them to pour out their past and bile. I did something like this once - it was called the Landmark Forum and they said we should call our family up and tell them every problem that we had with them in order for rifts ultimately to heal.

Luckily my dad took what I told him very well - it didn't make any long term difference though.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing something of that sort.

hurting others will never soothe your soul
I agree, @SheldonesqueTheBstard.
It feels like he's hitting out. I hope he doesn't regret it.

derxa

When my brother died my very quiet introverted mother went down to our wood and howled in pain. My brother's funeral was full of people weeping whereas my old dad's was a celebration of his life. Of course people mourn their elderly parents but an untimely death is like a shock to the system

So agree.
Very similar here. The funeral of a tragic loss is just unbearable, and heart rending.

They wanted to work something out with the RF and were stonewalled.

That's a strange way to put it. They were arrogant enough to publicly demand that they be allowed to keep almost all their - taxpayer subsidisied - royal privileges while doing almost none of the duties. They didn't even bother to reach an agreement with the royals before posting their daft 'Manifesto'. And they weren't 'stonewalled'. They were told that the 'half in half out' deal they demanded was a non-starter, as anyone with even half a clue could have told them all along.

I have no problem with 'the Sussex Royal thing', why should I?

Would you have a problem if you ran a company and a former employee wanted to use and profit from your brand name while no longer working for your company? I think almost everybody would.

The family is dysfunctional. The Queen, Philip, Charles and Diana were poor parents.
But Harry talking to the media is not in his best interests. He thinks it is because of the American culture, but it really is not.

How on earth is H being bullied by the people of the UK?

Really?

I imagine Harry fears running out of money, which is well founded given the eye watering costs of his new LA lifestyle, now no longer funded by the good old British tax payer.
Even those with very average mathematical ability will be able to clearly identify the tens of millions needed to keep going until the end. It must be very daunting when you have never even paid a bill in your life before now.

Does anybody else think this will come full circle and netflix will do an expose on all this 10 years from now?

@KaleSlayer

You cannot heal your hurt by creating hurt for others.

But it can be very healing to let people know what actually happened in a situation rather than let them keep thinking something else, put out there by someone else.

This.

I have no problem with 'the Sussex Royal thing', why should I?

Well most of us do, because it would be H&M exploiting their royal name, when they no longer wanted to be part of or contribute to the monarchy (which is partly funded by the public), purely for their private financial gain.

If he was so very disenfranchised with the whole set up why on earth would be have wanted stay part of it. Why has he spoken so lovingly about his DF until the very moment he was told 'no, that won't work sorry'

Those are the inconvenient questions nobody ever wants to address aren't they? I wouldn't dispute for an instant that Harry's gone through some very difficult times; however in a way this reminds me of the cheating exes who seek to re-write their entire marriages to justify what they've done

In the circumstances it might be better if he stayed away from the statue unveiling thing, but who knows what'll happen?

My worst nightmare is losing a member of my family. I would imagine some terrible howling will come out of me. But in private. Like your poor mam derxa.

I daren’t cry. I am the coper (that actually autocorrected to viper....) in the family. People look to me to be their stay.

I cry at silly things like adverts. But it is just a moist eye or solitary tear. I can cry at programmes/dramas. Alone.

If I’m crying in public (away from family) then I’m breaking. And badly.

I lost two people near to me last year. Suddenly. Horribly. Tragically. I can’t cry over that. I daren’t. I’m almost grateful there wasn’t a funeral (Covid) because I wouldn’t have been alone in breaking and I might have lost myself.

He is having a lovely time, isn't he? 🤣

Sometimes, establishing a boundary as you heal (eg, "dont be hurtful") does hurt somebody. So it's a good soundbite, but as ive healed and taken less shit from my mother, she has genuinely been hurt by that. That's ridiculous i know, but she feels so entitled to label me paranoid, sensitive, dramatic etc that letting her know i find that unacceptable has hurt her. I establish3d this boundary because ive healed, but she has thrown herself up on the cross. She feels the victim of me. I have hurt her by healing.

Roussette

@LeilaLiesLow

Who are you to tell me whether I should use the word 'died' or passing?

Are you in charge of my free speech?
No you are not

My passed away parents used that word and I do sometimes so just sod off telling me what I can and can't say.
If the word 'passing' breaks Talk Guidelines just report me.

You sound very angry Rousette, maybe this thread is not good for you.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard for your loss x
We all deal with things in different ways, but please don't be stoic if it takes a toll x