I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

@Roussette

So Harry could have easily flown back and said goodbye to PP, he choose not to. Probably Harry could not look his grandfather in the eye after all he had done to harm him and the family. Harry knows full well how devastated Prince Philip would be to learn of his treachery and harm

What tosh. You don't know whether it was easy for him to go back or not, and likewise I doubt very very much his 99 year old grandfather at the very end of his life was thinking of anything along those lines at all.

You will be hard pressed to find any support for Harry now in the UK

Rubbish. Just the posters on this thread illustrate you are incorrect.

Rousette Why would it not have been easy for Harry to go back to the U.K.?

As per U.K. and US law, Harry would have been able to visit his dying gf had he wanted to.

I cannot find any plausible reason as to why it would have not been easy unless you are suggesting others were standing in his way.

I know you have a propensity to defend H&M. But this is defending the indefensible. He is after all said to have had a very warm and loving relationship with PP.

What valid reason could there have been?

Oh but one more thing @Roussette Maybe don't start telling other people how little grief they ought to feel if their loved ones are in their 90s when they die.

I don't like you telling me or anyone here how much grief I should feel.

That's far far worse than my showing a preference for language.

Any Americans here? If you are, what's the coverage of this next round of interviews like?

@Hugoslavia

And I'm sorry but I still can't get over the fact that apparently his son's first word was crocodile (all three syllables).

..... I'm putting money on his second word being 'tears'.

Third word was "Granny", according to Harry, with the implication being that Diana is a constant feature of conversations with little Archie....

Or could it just possibly be because Meg's Mom is a frequent visitor!!

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.

They may not mean to, but they do.

They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,

Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

(Philip Larkin)

Poor Archie!

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind Rousette believes that grief is directly related to the age of the person dying. Old people don't count as much.
It's not one or the other...

You can grieve for an elderly parent AND still be glad they had a long life. But don't minimise the grief. That's just crass.

@LeilaLiesLow

I'm afraid I think that H will only realise the error of his ways when it's too late.

To criticise your father so publicly is appalling.

Additionally, he has created a rift with William that cannot be healed. By deserting the 'firm' he has landed many more royal duties on the Cambridges at a time when they hoped they could have a few more years as a 'normal' family before William succeeds to the throne.

As 'the fab four' they could have done much more for MH. Look what we have now. He's making himself a laughing stock.

Not only did he land the Cambridges with more jobs but he expected to continue to be paid despite giving them up.

When he proclaimed to James Corden 'they cut me off!'...yeah, that's what happens when you leave your job.

The entitlement is really amazing.

I am torn in half on this.

When he got together with MM I really hated the endless negativity and criticism of her and when they decided to withdraw from Royal life, I couldn't understand why people wouldn't just let them go and live quietly somewhere. It's obviously living quietly wasn't on their agenda.

I just saw something of his latest ramblings and really hope they have good health insurance because he just comes over as emotionally and mentally incontinent and I can see him needed a lot of psychiatric help.

However sad this is, his public outpourings against his family are a total disgrace. Also how stupid do you have to be to go begging to your father for millions after you have announced to the world that he was a terrible parent?

MM looks to be the very last sort of person he needs in his life and I wonder how long before that unravels?

@howard97A

They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,

Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

(Philip Larkin)

Poor Archie!

Harry forget to read to the end of this.

Someone should have mentioned it to him.

PuffItsGone it could be that both H&W had counselling.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

That's nice. I think he's ridiculous. Sick of all the 'talk' and 'it's good to talk'. What's needed is some serious practical assistance, not some over-paid person getting paid millions to spraff the same thing over and over.

My definition of brave is quite high.

But you're entitled to your opinion.

Absolutely.

Where is the funding for mental health services?

I took someone suicidal to A&E. They were promised a call back the next day with an appointment so I took them home and stayed with them. They never called back. I chased this appointment up and was told that one appearance at A&E isn't going to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. They never got any appointment so gave up on life 😢

In another case there's a high profile local crime involving a missing 19yo. Her brother ended up in a mental hospital but was released against the pleas of his family and he commit suicide a week later.

We need mental health services to be funded.

@LeilaLiesLow

Have a lovely day

Thank you. You too. And let's raise a glass to elderly Dads. Mine was 4 months away from 92.

Maybe the RF told him not to fly over, putting himself at risk of covid, or another reason, maybe he had made peace with his gf and it was their joint decision for him not to fly over. It's just a really sad situation for everyone involved and maybe the best thing he could do is take time out somewhere quiet away from all the media hype they have helped create and spend time on their own away from the limeligh.

[quote LeilaLiesLow]@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind Rousette believes that grief is directly related to the age of the person dying. Old people don't count as much.
It's not one or the other...

You can grieve for an elderly parent AND still be glad they had a long life. But don't minimise the grief. That's just crass.[/quote]
Of course you can grieve. I'd argue that most people wouldn't call a very elderly person dying 'a time of great suffering' though.

Because to be honest if it is, well I'm struggling to even think of the language that I could use to describe the deaths of my young relatives, and the impact that it had on their parents and other loved ones.

@mermaidsariel

*DelilahDingleberry

“I am appalled at the way people are talking about mental health on this site today. Absolutely appalled.”

Really.

You ought to be. When my son was suicidal and brought home by the police having stood on a railway bridge deliberating on life and death, he was told there were no beds available locally. A bed was found for him at The Maudsley in London (135 miles away) but not until he was 18 as it was an adult unit. So, we were out in a CAMHS waiting list.

Forgive me if I don’t feel huge sympathy for Harry. I do however, feel greatly for all the kids/young people who wait 18months plus for a mental health clinic appointment.*

Yes to this a million times!

So, @mermaidsariel, it's only acceptable to discuss mental health issues if ........ one is an ordinary person, without a bean in the bank, or something like that, presumably.

Anyone else can either shut up or get lost.

'He rubs people up the wrong way because he has publically embarrassed and shamed his family.'

Yes and yet was so very fummin when they were on the receiving end of it thanks to Markle Senior.

He needs to stop dishing out the criticism, take some time out to process his bitterness and resentment and then reach out and try some acceptance and reconciliation.

@Alonim

He is just talking about the trauma of his mother’s death though is he? He is dragging his brother, father and grandmother in to it

I could drag my family into my trauma too - because they were part of it. My dad reacted very similarly to Prince Charles - maybe it was the way people dealt with death at the time. We never spoke of my mum again. As kids we were expected to not even feel sadness. There was no one to talk to about our feelings. It was all just shut away.

This is difficult to imagine in this day and age when therapy is so accessible and would be advised, I think. I'd expect Royal Family to have been given some sort of therapy - even back then. It was only 1997. Not that long ago.

I find it refreshing to hear him talk so honestly. There's kids I know who've lost their mum recently too - and I was thinking today it would have helped me to hear from others who'd been through losing their mum, when I was young. It's good to know you're not alone in your suffering.

This is similar to my experience of losing a parent as a child.

I cannot imagine it was entirely the same for the the boys tbh. They must have spoken of Diana simply because she was all over the media albeit I know the family tried to protect them from the frenzy.

It is my understanding the boys were enveloped by the family as best they could. Moreover posters have attested that the family recognised he needed help well before he sought it. So not shut away and forgotten about.

Of course they had their own struggles and losing such a famous person in such a horrendous way must have been horrific.

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind. You're quite correct. It's sad when an old person dies, but not usually tragic. PP was 99, for pity's sake. He got a bloody good innings, and lived his life.

I see lots of PP demanding to know where the funding for MH services has gone. That's gone because the Tories have spent the last decade or so cutting all the services to the bone. When the election results came in recently, I was in discussion with a Children's Mental Health person. They were aghast that so many people had voted Tory again. "They complain about the services being cut to the bone, and then go and vote Tory!!??"

At least he can afford to access treatment.

I don’t think bravery comes in it. A calculated risk maybe?

I think they always intended to end up in the US. Everyone and their dog has a therapist over there so it is much more accepted and marketable as Americans love RF gossip. If you’ve ever seen some of the National Enquirer headlines you’ll see what I mean . Harry hasn’t got much else to offer by way of making money other than his RF connections especially in a pandemic. I imagine Charles cutting his allowance and them not being entitled to tax payer funded protection outside of the UK rather pissed him off which is why he’s gone full throttle. The remarks about Dodi not being white obviously back up the previous allegations of racism in the family.

If they’d stayed in the UK they would have had to attend charity functions rather than the Oscars and spend time with the great unwashed to earn their keep so it was a no brainer I suppose.

I absolutely agree,Op.
I have never, in my life, seen somebody, to be so viciously attacked in the media, well, except maybe for Diana. Christ, it seems some people can't make their mind up. I think it's fascinating how as a nation, the uk, wept on the streets when Diana was hounded to her death, openly blamed the media.
The minute the royal family needs the media once more to strengthen their power, then the uk are fooled again.they did it to Diana and not they will do the same to Harry. If Diana really was the people's princess, if you really loved her like you all said you did, those many years ago, then support her son. She can't do it, so do it for her. You do not have to pick Harry or William,support them both. Harry is now in the position that his poor mother was in and the people of the Uk Should be ashamed of how they have turned on him. Is bullying really this rife in the uk?
Yes, I think Harry is very brave to walk away from a powerful institution, knowing the backlash he would receive and knowing the Uk people would easily be led and turn on him.

I just read the statement they gave out in January 2020 telling us all about their progressive new initiative. They'd be financially independent earn their own money but retain their patronages and do royal duties. And spend their time between the US and the UK. They got told no and have hardly stopped feet stamping since.

“William has been through the exact same trauma the only difference is hes not a spoilt whiney brat and handles himself with class.”

Yes exactly! It’s interesting that this “therapy” to tell the world about his trauma to alleviate his pain doesn’t seem to take into account that he could end up causing a whole pile of extra pain on William. It seems a very selfish way to behave....

@DogsSausages

Maybe the RF told him not to fly over, putting himself at risk of covid, or another reason, maybe he had made peace with his gf and it was their joint decision for him not to fly over. It's just a really sad situation for everyone involved and maybe the best thing he could do is take time out somewhere quiet away from all the media hype they have helped create and spend time on their own away from the limeligh.

I think PP had had enough of Harry. When Harry came over for the summit with the Queen, PP was filmed being driven away from Sandringham. The smoke from the car tyres was something to behold.

@douliket

Brilliant post