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I think harry is really brave

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ssd · 21/05/2021 09:18

Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

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MoChridhe · 21/05/2021 13:19

@Xenia

I think he could have lived a happier life quietly int he English countryside, perhaps with a role in the territorial army or part time services role. I don't think choosing to make money out of publicity is a great idea in his position. However I am sorry he is not living near his family any more and that his mother died when he was young.

Hopefully if the Royal Family say as little as possible this will die down and then he can start regularly UK visits and family relationships can be improved. His wife seems to have some strained relationships in her own family so she may not be the best person to turn to in deciding who to mend bridges.

But he is living with his family he doesn't want to live in the UK. He says even getting on a flight to London is triggering.
SergeiL · 21/05/2021 13:19

I feel for him. I think he is unwell and being manipulated. I hope he stops and thinks about the impact this will have on his kids in years to come. It’s like the Panorama interview all over again.

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 13:20

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SergeiL · 21/05/2021 13:20

I hope you can get some support OP. Flowers

LeilaLiesLow · 21/05/2021 13:20

@Tiktokersmiracle

I have nothing but respect for Harry right now

I know only too well how much it hurts and the huge implications of a family who are emotionally cold and detached. It's demoralising to be told by them that your views aren't valid. That you over egg your disappointment and emotional trauma, or that you are attention seeking.

It's hard enough when you are given short shrift by people not connected to you. To get it from family is deeply hurtful.

Even now, 20 years on from having nothing to do with my abusive and destructive family, I still lack a lot of self belief, and confidence. I still never feel good enough. I double guess what people are wanting from me. I am deeply mistrustful of people being nice or saying nice things about me.
I always expect the inevitable nasty behaviour to come

I just want to give him a cuddle.

How do you know that's how it was? You only have his side of it. That's what's so wrong.
Harpydragon · 21/05/2021 13:22

@MrsElijahMikaelson1

Paraphrasing a little from another thread...But he’s not focusing on mental health, and the issues and recovery. Or how, if you weren’t exceedingly privileged you would be able to go about accessing the help you need. He’s focusing on telling the world what a shit family he has. All the dirty detail-for money.

Throwing your family under the bus in such a public way whilst knowing they are in the same situation you once were, and have no right of reply is shitty behaviour. Does this constant trash talking his family for public consumption help him recover in any way? And what about his families mental health. They have no way to respond without hurting Harry further or calling him a liar. They have to just take it. At some point it becomes abusive to them. I feel he’s reached that point.

If he was primarily focusing on his mental health, therapy, recovery, understanding events and how they impacted him I’d get it. But that’s so far from what’s happening here.

No one is focusing on mental health they are all focusing on the gossip of how shit his family is, because that’s what Harry is selling. That’s his platform. Mental health of others and support needed gets no more than a passing nod.

I think he and Megan need to take the time and heal privately. He’s obviously not in a good place and I feel that he’s being played by Oprah et al for ratings etc and not because it helps people with MH issues. Acknowledging your issues is one thing but the constant attack on family is another, and I’m not sure that will help his MH in the long term. At some point he will regret this (maybe he already is to a certain extent but has sold his soul to Oprah) and that regret certainly won’t help him-or his wider family feel better.

This says everything I think about Harry. He appears to be selling his soul and it doesn't appear that anything is getting better for him. Time for him to shut up and move on to the life he really wants.
Summercocktailsinthesnow · 21/05/2021 13:24

Harry realises that the hatred will only stop when Meghan is dead. He mentions it in episode 3 of the series

Or they could simply live a very happy and contented life off the radar. They could have chosen anywhere in the world and had a low key life, they didn't need to blow up their families, both sides, nor choose the most public place in the world to live. An alternative was offered anywhere on the commonwealth and refused.
They are choosing to live this way, and not only that but they are actively stoking up the hatred and drama relentlessly on a daily basis.

They stopped being the 'victims' if they ever were, some time ago.

btwwhichonespink · 21/05/2021 13:25

I don't think airing his dirty underpants on TV over and over again will be helping his mental health much though. When he realises how unpopular it is making him he will be even more depressed, since I assume their future income plans depend on Harry and his position/popularity.

The whole thing is bizarre. And embarrassing.

Overdueanamechange · 21/05/2021 13:26

Im with @BrownEyedGirl80 I'm afraid

He's a prick now.I used to really like him.

Talk about your feelings publically all you like, its really healthy and helpful, however do not drag your family into it. Like it our not, the Royal Family represents the UK, and by bashing them he is damaging us.
He was a "bit of a lad" and made some silly drunken decisions in his youth that he was forgiven for because we liked him (I'm not calling the Nazi think silly BTW, that was pretty awful). What he shouldn't do is blame it on his family and take responsibility for the decisions he made as a very privileged adult.

peonyred · 21/05/2021 13:26

I think your comment is one of the most insightful on this thread.

Bagamoyo1 · 21/05/2021 13:28

What frustrates me is rich celebrities going on about how important it is to acknowledge mental health problems and seek help, when they have massive resources to get said help. Most people are dependent on the NHS, and psych services are woefully underfunded . So admitting you have a problem is just the first stage. You then have to wait months to get some counselling. I’d prefer wealthy celebs to sponsor services rather than do tear jerking interviews. But I guess if it encourages people to open up then it’s better than nothing.

peonyred · 21/05/2021 13:28

Sorry - been a while since I've posted. I meant to answer an much earlier post which was made by someone who has had to bring themselves up from the age of 17 and just sees this programme as rich people patting each other on the back.

Roussette · 21/05/2021 13:28

Diana used the media for her own gain much of the time
She set up photo ops and was incredibly manipulative

In the light of the now published Dyson report, this is hardly a fair thing to say

IrmaFayLear · 21/05/2021 13:28

Of all the places to live in the world, surely a celebrity enclave in Los Angeles must be the worst if you have mental health problems and are triggered by cameras. It’s like a recovering alcoholic moving into a pub.

Overdueanamechange · 21/05/2021 13:29

I still think he's being a prick, but also agree with @SergeiL

I feel for him. I think he is unwell and being manipulated. I hope he stops and thinks about the impact this will have on his kids in years to come. It’s like the Panorama interview all over again.

MmeLaraque · 21/05/2021 13:30

@Psychonabike

I feel for him.

I think that he and Megan do actually believe that this kind of mental health and wellbeing discourse, putting yourself forward as an example, and working with the media, is for the greater good.

I think they are wrong though. People just won't respond well. You see it everywhere. "Be Kind" "Be Kind" "Be Kind" left right and centre, but when someone actually needs you to be kind and hear their truth, they spout forward with all kinds of caveats, uninformed judgements, ifs and or buts why that particular individual doesn't deserve their kindness. Parents of SEN kids see this all the time -the other parents with Be Kind facebook profiles, clothes etc...who exclude and ignore the children who actually need that kindness, in favour of easier targets or meaningless virtue signalling. Actually being kind requires thought, empathy and effort and most people aren't prepared to do it.

He is a man who was raised restrictively within an extremely odd institution. That alone should make the rest of us (who didn't) wary of making assumptions, prepared to default to actually being kind. Before we even consider the loss of his mother. But we don't. And we come up with excuses to justify our behaviour. Many here already and many more to come.

This. All that "Be Kind" content on people's profiles, and it is, for the most part, just cosmetic, virtue-signalling bollocks on their part. They're not kind. At all.

When people who need the kindness and understanding see this level of vitriol aimed at someone in the public eye for speaking out, there's no wonder so few "ordinary" people actually do.

"Stop moaning/whingeing/talking twaddle" is not kind. Quite the opposite. It's very disappointing to see a public forum dedicated to people who are supposed to be parents used as a platform for such nastiness and vitriol. Do those people behave like that all the time, and if so, what shitty lessons and attitudes are they teaching their kids?

Bluntness100 · 21/05/2021 13:31

I’ve no doubt that from the start, remember that Ill advised letter about collaborating with the queen, they have thought they are doing the right thing.

I also believe this is all them, and nearly all Harry. Someone who worked with them said it’s incredibly difficult as they only listen to each other and egg each other on, they do not listen to anyone else.

So advising them, even when that’s what they are paying you handsomely to do, is beyond impossible. They simply focus on each other and enable each other to the exclusion of everyone else. I suspect that’s true.

They don’t have the skills, the knowledge base, the experience, even possibly the intelligence to think through their actions, the repercussions of those actions , and not many would do. To manage this unique shitstorm would take a host of experts. They are basically flying solo, doing their own thing, enabling each other. And the more it goes wrong for them, the more they do, and the worse it gets.

Mental illness by definition can make people very selfish and self focused. I am sure Harry loves his family. But right now he is not thinking of rhe pain he is inflicting on his father, his brother, his grand mother, he is simply thinking of himself. I don’t think he is even thinking of his heavily pregnant wife, who has faded into the back ground, or his child/children, of future relationships. He is simply focused on himself.

artquejtion · 21/05/2021 13:31

@Whythesadface

Meghan wanted to commit suicide, but decided not to as he didn't deserve to lose another female in his life. Isn't this what abusers do to their victim. How many abusive partners say they will kill themselves, but never meant it. Also praying on Harry's worse moment in his life, and the person abusing him like this is his wife.
Shock Never considered it like that, but you may have a point there !
YellowMonday · 21/05/2021 13:31

@LeilaLiesLow sadly I agree.

I do believe both are suffering from mental health issues, and the stories now just don't make sense, with each interview contradicting the next.

The worst part is, how can the Queen, Charles, William, Catherine, and the rest of the family move past what Harry is doing and saying? I don't quite understand how tearing apart your family is living in a kind and compassionate way.

I feel for William in the way Harry speaks about their mother.

YellowMonday · 21/05/2021 13:32

Imagine how Harry and Meghan will feel in 30 years when their children speak "their truth".

I'm too invested.

IcedPurple · 21/05/2021 13:32

"Stop moaning/whingeing/talking twaddle" is not kind. Quite the opposite.

Repeatedly slagging off your family for profit is not kind, especially when you know they won't respond.

Quite the opposite.

RickiTarr · 21/05/2021 13:33

@micaschist

I just felt really sad when I read something William had said about the Diana interview from 1995 having had an impact on him all this time. Does Harry not realise that is what he's condemning his children to? Ill advised interviews spurred on my press manipulation?
Yes, I think that’s a really good point.
BoreOfWhabylon · 21/05/2021 13:34

He has been and is being manipulated and exploited imo and believes everything he is saying.

Watermelon222 · 21/05/2021 13:37

@parsnipsnotsprouts

Really? I think he’s making a career out of whining
Same here! I’m pretty sure there was a thread about it earlier today as well but I cannot find it now!
derxa · 21/05/2021 13:37

I think Harry should carry on. Let it all play out. He's at a certain stage of life where he thinks he will be the perfect parent as opposed to his neglectful father. (He did have another parent but let's just gloss over that) There is no perfect formula for life. 10 years hence he may see his family differently. I wish him all the best