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ADs shelter in The Sleeping Swans and have a group hug

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BogRollBOGOF · 17/05/2021 16:55

Another installment in the saga.

Maybe following up with an Indian, Korma please, but protect the naans...

Grin
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BogRollBOGOF · 25/05/2021 16:12

I can't remember the precise number, but parkrun have monitored data from the countries where they've got running again and worked out that there's and R0 was something like 0.002, it was that kind of degree of magnitude.
Then you get councils querying things like what temperatures the RDs will launder the volunteer bibs at to kill the virus. They don't get used for 6.5 days after so even if fomites were relevent, it's beyond the point where the virus dies if boredom anyway.

So tired of pointless performance risk assessment.
Is it well ventilated? That's the big one.

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ISaySteadyOn · 25/05/2021 16:27

Isn't Parkrun outside? If so, how much more ventilated can you get?

BogRollBOGOF · 25/05/2021 20:05

@ISaySteadyOn

Isn't Parkrun outside? If so, how much more ventilated can you get?
Quite! Grin

While secondary pupils don't need their masks in lessons (although subject to school, I know some local schools with broader citywide catchments are persisting) we are still under instruction to wear them on the exposed school playground. I hope that that rule gets dropped at half term. It's doing nothing to protect anyone from the virus that no one has had since Easter! Some days you can be down to 3 parents waiting between cohorts. So hazardous Hmm

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Curlygirl06 · 25/05/2021 22:08

I'm in a right grump today, no particular reason but I could happily leave this country and go anywhere where it's warm. I grew up in a hot country and by Christ the weather in this country pisses me off, even though we've been back in the UK for bloody years.

I've got a few health issues, nothing serious but it's been going on for ages, I had a week off last week and it was all shitty stuff; dentist, hygienist, physio, general shit and it rained nearly every day! Hate rain, hate wind, generally hate everything at the mo! Back to work tomorrow, I hope to christ no one pisses me off or so help me I'll not be responsible for my actions!

MercyBooth · 25/05/2021 23:18

I had a bad fall last Thursday due to tripping over our town centres uneven old cracked paving. My left leg is covered in bruises between the knee and ankle. Because of this its been a bloody struggle to get in and out of the bath. To the point where ive sprained my left shoulder. Its painful when i do a pushing motion. I dont have a shower. Ive taken photos on my phone and i might pop down the council offices tomorrow. THREE lockdowns we have had. Two of which lasted for months each. They could have sorted it in all that time. Livid.

BogRollBOGOF · 26/05/2021 08:01

I hope it all settles quickly Mercy Flowers

A year ago, our council was quick to slap on Covid-Active-Transport schemes which are pointless at solving problems that don't exist, but put pressure onto surrounding routes Hmm

One road into town from our direction now only leads to a carpark. Any other part of town now has to be accessed by several busy junctions and the ring road adding to the main congestion.

Blocking off another route for buses and bikes only going in to what is basically a village pushes you round another mile+ and forces all the traffic to weave in and out a disproportionately busy route.

Not sure what any of this had to do with Covid...
I'd rather the pavement near our house didn't turn into a full blown stream.as the runoff trickles downhill then along the pavement when it rains heavily!

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Evenstar · 26/05/2021 11:18

Oh Mercy sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon 💐

MercyBooth · 26/05/2021 20:56

Thank You Flowers Ive bought some penetrating gel today so hopefully that will help.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 27/05/2021 06:21

Sorry to hear that @MercyBooth x

MercyBooth · 27/05/2021 18:36

Thanks Mners Flowers Flowers

MercyBooth · 27/05/2021 18:44

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justasking111 · 27/05/2021 19:25

Bloody bureaucracy Welsh government. Our health board has now said if you get any of their list of eight symptoms get tested they're chasing us now

ADs shelter in The Sleeping Swans and have a group hug
justasking111 · 27/05/2021 19:26

OH has six of them tonight with his allergies

ISaySteadyOn · 27/05/2021 19:49

@MercyBooth, I hope you feel better soon.

BogRollBOGOF · 27/05/2021 20:34

@justasking111

Bloody bureaucracy Welsh government. Our health board has now said if you get any of their list of eight symptoms get tested they're chasing us now
I'll check if I've been within a mile of a hawthorn bush first.

I can feel the sinuses building up and coming and going at the moment... like I have for just about every May for the past 20 years.

Had one of my youth groups on the park, and it's been the first night of the spring and last autumn that I haven't had to wear a huge coat and managed in just uniform without hypothmia!

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smallandimperfectlyformed · 27/05/2021 20:41

Hello everyone! Sorry about your fall MercyBooth and sorry you are finding the weather so rubbish Curlygirl06. I have a hen do to go to next week and am looking forward to that but a bit worried about her wedding not going ahead as it's on June 25th. This is the 3rd date now!

amicissimma · 27/05/2021 21:05

Tim Spector is saying on his Zoe update this week that they are finding that vaccinated people tend to sneeze as their symptom of Covid.

As I can actually see the pollen blowing about in the wind at times at this time of year, I think that could lead to an awful lot of extra testing.

And as you say, justasking, my atopic DH has a lot of those symptoms a lot of the time and has done for years before Covid ever came along.

I suppose it's something to keep in mind in some way, however.

Worldgonecrazy · 27/05/2021 21:52

Is there anything about why covid becomes more dangerous with age? Just been reading Norman Lazarus about T cell immunity being maintained into old age by regular exercise. So would that mean a fit 70 year old was at less risk than an unfit 40 year old? I wonder if this area has been studied rather than just saying risk increases with age? Is it risk increases with immunity decreasing through age?

Curlygirl06 · 27/05/2021 21:55

@smallandimperfectlyformed

Hello everyone! Sorry about your fall MercyBooth and sorry you are finding the weather so rubbish Curlygirl06. I have a hen do to go to next week and am looking forward to that but a bit worried about her wedding not going ahead as it's on June 25th. This is the 3rd date now!
@smallandimperfectlyformed thank you, had a much better day today and it's not raining!
LivinLaVidaLoki · 28/05/2021 06:29

@Worldgonecrazy I think a few people have made that point but have then been accused of fat shaming.

Worldgonecrazy · 28/05/2021 07:55

@LivinLaVidaLoki. I’m not only thinking about obesity. Would a person who does no exercise and has managed to avoid tipping into the obese category at the age of 30 or 40 be more at risk than a 70 year old who exercises regularly? I know we are all still learning about our immune systems. It seems too simple to just say age increases risk when it could be a much deeper conversation. Of course, the time to fix this particular problem was 30 years ago! But as the saying goes ‘the best time to plant a tree was ......’

BogRollBOGOF · 28/05/2021 08:49

Poor lifestyles aren't necessarily about excess body fat either. On a typical MN weight debate you'll get the rugby player/ ill thin person dichotomy thrown in. Being underweight is less common and in a society with abundant access to food underweight long into adulthood can also be about underlying conditions, malnutrition (poverty, addiction, phobias, poor habits). All of that contributes to premature cell aging, but gets less air time because it's less influential in mass scale publc health. Obesity itself puts strain on the body and its organs, but it is healthier to exercise, eat a varied, nutritious diet and have decent muscle development than to be the same BMI and be sedentary on a limited, low nutrient diet.
It's frustrating that it's hard to have public health discussions without them spiraling into "fat shaming" allegations because general trends are very diffent to the abuse, comments and digs that individuals get from family friends or strangers.

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ISaySteadyOn · 28/05/2021 09:03

Here's a civilised space. Maybe we could have a discussion here.

I need to be fitter. I know that and somehow I can't find a space for it. I sometimes think for women that's the main issue. Finding where you can fit (sorry!) it in.

And on another note, does anyone have days where they want a break from mothering? Fighting to get DC to do schoolwork, do basic hygiene and not wind each other up.

Worldgonecrazy · 28/05/2021 09:14

@BogRollBOGOF. I heartily agree. Covid has exposed the real variations in health and deprivation throughout the country. (Whilst also demonstrating that lockdowns are not the only solution). Leicester has had prolonged lockdown and restrictions yet positive tests remained high. I don’t think there were more rule breakers in Leicester but definitely areas of high deprivation (sadly linked to ethnicity). Likewise the hot spots in my local city were all centred on those areas of deprivation.

Deprivation isn’t the only driver of poor “nutrition fitness’. Excess dieting, excess alcohol cheap processed food etc. all contribute to this.

I strongly believe the answer to the current pandemic is to use those same nudge and psychological techniques to get people exercising more, drinking less and taking responsibility for their own health. This would free up the NHS for those people who aren’t able to do those things through vulnerability etc.

Over one million obesity related NHS admissions and a staggering 1.7 million (7.5%) alcohol related admissions each year. The number of covid admissions and deaths hasn’t come anywhere close to that. Add in the gradual reduction in age related admissions over the decades if we all started this today and it’s a no-brainer.

Maybe we should start calling joggers and gym goers the true NHS supporting heroes, not those hiding at home eating pizza?

Save the NHS - lift weights.
Save the NHS - go for a run.
For those just starting the fitness journey we could have ‘Saving the NHS one step at a time.’
Save the NHS - just one glass tonight.
Save the NHS - step away from the crisp packet.

Grin

Maybe dry January could be given a positive heroic spin instead of it being seen as depriving people of fun?

Surely there so a Machiavellian within government who could do this?

BogRollBOGOF · 28/05/2021 10:02

I'm struggling a bit with my own waistline and exercise still. I'm fortunate to have had decent habits from childhood and got through my 20s and early 30s on that, but at 40, it is taking work, and the past year of being around the house with a well stocked kitchen (and we did stock up when things looked ominous in Feb 2020 so there's been more out visible) and all my external habits and motivation stripped away, and I just have no internal drive left. I'm bored of my runs because for so long that's all I was left with. Classes have been on/ off so any progress keeps being lost. Being at home with the extra catering for a ravenous family and their incompatible likes and dislikes and no fresh inspiration.
I'm in a good position and have knowledge and it's still hard to manage!

I think the daily mile in schools is a great initiative. Quick, free, accessible, 10 mins non-competitive running/ walking.
Parkrun has also become a great force for public health. Free, sociable, local, fresh air, not hemmed into commitments. It's worked better than gym prescriptions with longer lasting commitment.

The change 4 life has done well on branding, but the advice is not well balanced. A lot of it works on the assumption that everyone is totally sedentary, swigging 2l bottles of coke all day. I tend to bin the packs that the DCs come home with because we already do more than it suggests. Small steps like adding drinks of water, add a portion of veg, have a movement burst during long periods of sitting are more achievable rather than recomnending diet drinks) Michael Mosely's just done something on this kind of theme about small habits to add in although I haven't seen the full details. A Mr Motivator type slot of gentle exercise that can be done as you are through lifestyle TV (GMTV, This Morning, Loose Women, The One Show)

I have really noticed a change open in many of my DCs' peers. Those who were actively into sport have picked it up and are largely unchanged. Those that were more sedentary and getting heavier anyway have really accelerated. It's not a moral judgement, but it does physically affect hormones and development and is a hard template in early life to reset. As a child who loathed PE at school it is delicate to address activity without stigmatising (I was fortunate to enjoy dance outside school which led to doing aerobics then other exercise in adulthood) DS1 has lots of interventions for literacy, but the same strategy for PE would be like a lead balloon with many families, so it needs to be more active time for all. Choice helps and I found in y11 that when we could select/ drop activities, that helped. I enjoyed our new gym, but even having the choice of doing hockey and never touching a much hated netball again was a bit more empowering.

Workplaces need more defined breaks. Get people away from the desk. I used to take advantage of the school canteen, partly because it was a decent value meal and I'm not a sandwich lover, but because in a snug 30 min window, it got me moving for about 10 min, often through outside space. Even promoting 5min desk based movements would be good for posture, energy and productivity.

Generally better walking and cycling spaces would make active transport more viable.

Our risk-averse culture often doesn't help either.

The information is out there, but it is making measures accessible and adjusting culture that's the challenge.

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