Anyone in Hartlepool - what on earth is going on

[Purplecatshopaholic]

Genuine question. (Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I don’t post much). I’m Scottish and in Scotland, and I am constantly aware these days of how different the views are of Westminster up here, to across the border sometimes. We also have our own Labour Party leader up here. But really? Is Keir Starmer that bad? Are other parties not available? Who on earth is still voting for Boris…? Any WHY?

• however I certainly do not think Boris should think this is due to himself at all, nor the Tories! NO one should be resting on their laurels...

It’s a shame it has got to this point but there will either need to be a new party formed or they will have to get very serious about change.
-There are too many who hung around and tolerated harassment and bullying of Jewish members still in the cabinet and in the party.

• Attacks on women’s groups and trying to shut down free speech on those issues is a massive shot in the foot.
• There are too many with too much enthusiasm for dictating the values we should all have and trying to impose them ( abolish faith schools).
• There are too many with appalling attitudes to those with different opinions bringing the party into disrepute. We have seen it here. If you’re one of the ones shouting tory cunt, ignorant plebs etc. you need to go. They need to take a good look at their membership.
• Finally, Blair was popular for a reason. Figure it out.

Quite simply it is because Labour councillors have done nothing for the area for decades. I am from a big city in the North East, that for my entire life has elected Labour. It has done the city no good! It is run down and under invested in, and this is down to laziness and complacency of the Labour party.
Sites have sat empty for years, at one point the city did not have a cinema for 5 years!

There was a time, a goat in labour colours code have stood, and people would have still voted for them, because that is how "we" vote. Well it looks like those days are gone. The conservatives may not be the answer, but Labour can no longer be so complacent in the areas of the north east they remain. The elected leaders had better pull there fingers out. People want change vibrant, hopeful communities.

Most English newspapers, The Sun, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, Express, Times, lean right and will always give the Labour leader a harder time than the Tory. But Labour leaders surely know this and need to find a strategy to cut through it. I think Corbyn had some great ideas but as a personality he failed to engage with people outside his core supporters.

People keep asking why people turned to the tory party but they didn't. The vote was split last time between tories and brexit party, would have been 22k between them with labour on 15k but this time 15k voted tory (no brexit party) and 8k voted labour. It isn't that the tories won the seat they really didn't but labour well and truly lost it, people are abstaining rather than voting for anyone.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

MmeLaraque

NOt quite the clean sweep at things though is it? They took over after being left economic disaster by Labour, then the coalition, then a majority , Brexit then covid hit.

They took over in a global recession caused by banks. The same banks who were bailed out. Tories had to decide whether to make wealthy people pay for that via taxes, or cut welfare. Couldn't be upsetting their wealthy mates, so they cut welfare spending instead.

Tories then swept to power after telling lie upon lie about everyone and everything else. Millions believed them. Still do. Brexit is the Tory's doing. Cameron took the gamble, and the UK is going to paying for that mess for years.

Covid: Johnson ignored it. He skipped five COBRA meetings, refused to join European leaders in conference calls to discuss responses to COVID, and fucked off on holiday just as NHS England declared a Level 4 critical incident. The Tories are nasty, he's horrendous.

Still, people continue to vote for them.

madamlaraque

"@ MarshaBradyo

It is correct. There is *no excuse for voting Tory at this stage. None. They've had ten years to show you what they're capable of, and they have. So idiots vote for more of the same.

Voting Tory means you've either a huge bank balance, and are independently wealthy, or you're an idiot.

A look at your bank balance will confirm which."

Indeed.

11 years of Tory rule. And your area is still heading down the pan. So you double down and vote it in, locally? Makes no sense to me.

So challenging someone's opinions, especially if factually incorrect is sneering now.
All labour supporters are members of the metropolitan elite I'm a labour supporter, nurse, live in a terraced house in a very deprived area of the country, kids at a state school, certainly not loaded. Really ? What a generalisation..Oh and I read that scurrilous newspaper the Guardian so obviously living in an ivory tower

And the love for the w/c on mumsnet is something to behold. Funny how half of you try your best to get your kids into grammar schools to avoid the very same salt of the earth working class children and are desperate to avoid ehem working class rough areas when looking to move somewhere, funny that.

@supermoonrising

Another win for the Party that wanted to stop free meals for the poorest children during a pandemic. Welcome to England 2021. What a lovely, enlightened place.

Not true. The government funded local authorities and charities to use as they found best to support vulnerable people in their community during local down. FSMs are the responsibility of local authorities, not central government, therefore they should have included FSM in this extra budget (some did).

Stop telling us what we think as it’s not even correct

We're all spitting in the wind, Marsha; sadly, those who can't recognise why Labour's failing weren't listening at the last election and they're not listening now, so in their frustration they just resort to flinging insults

That's never worked either and it never will, but the wilfully blinkered aren't usually amenable to reason - they have to work it out for themselves, though whether they ever will is something else again

I'm reading this with interest. I live nearby in a similar area and can't imagine what is causing this. I know Labour is not great at the moment but Christ you'd need a pretty short memory to think the tories were a better option for a working class northern town.

@IndigoC

Time for Lisa Nandy as leader.

Dear god. Would that be the same Lisa Nandy who had said that criminals (including violent ones) should be able to identify however they want, should go to whichever sex prison they choose, called WPUK a hate organisation, and said that natal men must be included on all women shortlists? That Lisa Nandy?

I can see Andy Burnham returning to Westminster at some point in the not too distant future. Personally I find him a smarmy self serving Mr smooth, but I could see him being successful as a Labour leader.

Anyway, like Trump it will all come crashing down in the end.

But it didn't just come crashing down. In places like Georgia people worked bl**dy hard to get the Democrat vote both registered and out.

@Onetoomuch

So challenging someone's opinions, especially if factually incorrect is sneering now. All labour supporters are members of the metropolitan elite I'm a labour supporter, nurse, live in a terraced house in a very deprived area of the country, kids at a state school, certainly not loaded. Really ? What a generalisation..Oh and I read that scurrilous newspaper the Guardian so obviously living in an ivory tower

And the love for the w/c on mumsnet is something to behold. Funny how half of you try your best to get your kids into grammar schools to avoid the very same salt of the earth working class children and are desperate to avoid ehem working class rough areas when looking to move somewhere, funny that.

You don’t speak for the Working class. You speak for yourself. I’m from a working class family. My father was a factory worker an union rep. If you choose to vote Labour that is your choice bit it is very clear now that many have turned away from the party. Some of the working classes quite like grammar schools. Some of the Woking classes are aspirational, believe it or not.

@Lmm34 I live in a town just outside manchester. We had a labour council which was poor, the tory one is no better but should be considering the leader is pals with BJ. The council had its hands tied due to cuts to funding from central government, funding which is disproportionately in favour of tory voting southern areas. We are back now to a period of pork barrel politics and sadly austerity is not over.

@ShoppingPrecinctPrincess

Most English newspapers, The Sun, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, Express, Times, lean right and will always give the Labour leader a harder time than the Tory. But Labour leaders surely know this and need to find a strategy to cut through it. I think Corbyn had some great ideas but as a personality he failed to engage with people outside his core supporters.

Do you really think that Tories don't get a hard time from the press.

Priti Patel. Gavin Williamson. Matt Hancock. Not to mention our Great Leader. And must not mention Rhys-Mogg - he was so vilified he has most likely been banned from talking to the press completely.

It is so blinkered to say it's only poor Corbyn who got vilified.

The Tories are absolutely laughing their socks off at plebs voting for them.
All the complaints about "woke" policies: so people don't like their prejudices being pointed out to them.
Don't want to be called a thick, racist pleb? Don't behave like one.

And, despite some PPs pointing out the very real reasons why they feel the Labour Party has stopped being the party that best represents them, this particular poster, more than twenty pages in still repeating this bilge again and again.
At this point I can only imagine they’re a Tory plant trying to further increase their lead.

Labour can shout until it is blue in the face but unless it listens to traditional Labour voters in the North who now vote Tory it will not get elected. That is fine by me as I am Tory supporter from NE England.

Some of the Woking classes are aspirational, believe it or not.

That's the bit people can't believe.

They think all notherners just want more benefits

It's quite sad that a discussion can't be had respectfully.
So much name calling going on here.

Some of the working classes quite like grammar schools.

Only when their own children got in, which they disproportionately did not do. It's even worse now in the remaining Grammar counties of Kent and Bucks, where going by MN threads, children are heavily tutored to get into them.

Interesting that some posters are not asking what Labour got wrong, as opposed to why voters got it wrong.

Parties need voters, they are not there to tell voters how they should think.

@SunsetBeetch

I cannot fathom how a country will allow it’s politics be dictated by tax haven owners of newspapers and foreign media owners.

HOUSE!

No, sorry you missed out Turkeys voting for Christmas Now you can call house.

Lisa Nandy stated loudly and clearly on live television that convicted rapists who said they identified as women should be locked up with vulnerable female prisoners.
Keir Starmer was the only Labour leadership candidate who was able to avoid publicly agreeing with her. All the other female candidates signed up to a policy of removing all women's sex based rights.
The bullying that has been meted out to Rosie Duffield by her so called colleagues has been disgraceful.
The male bodied people who have been allowed to go on all women short lists and take women's officer roles from biological women is mind boggling.
It just goes on and on. Keir Starmer was the least worst leadership candidate, but he still can't bring himself to not pander to the woke brigade.
Women have only been allowed to vote for the last 100 years and already those of us who support women's rights are disenfranchised.