Anyone in Hartlepool - what on earth is going on

[Purplecatshopaholic]

Genuine question. (Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I don’t post much). I’m Scottish and in Scotland, and I am constantly aware these days of how different the views are of Westminster up here, to across the border sometimes. We also have our own Labour Party leader up here. But really? Is Keir Starmer that bad? Are other parties not available? Who on earth is still voting for Boris…? Any WHY?

Hilarious! @MmeLaraque saying there is no sneering but then goes on to talk of conservatives encouraging fascism and how stupid their voters are.

Horse crap like that sums it up nicely.

Xenia: 'The Tories are not what I want but better than Labour would have been. I want very small state, much lower spending and very low tax and more freedom'.

But you can say that from your position of privilege, can't you? Privately educated people with top-flight jobs and privately educated DC can afford to want 'low tax' and 'small state'; but I care about those not so fortunate in life, which is what the Labour Party used to represent.

The Tories have never cared about the little man. They sell the dream that if you work hard enough, you'll get there. But not in an underfunded, shit school, leaving with zero career opportunities, and a scant few zero hours MW jobs available to you.

10 years of Tory, and many still have that. Yet they vote Tory.

How many times does it have to be pointed out that it is the Tories who are currently taking women’s spaces away from them.

The Tories are more centrist, offer some optimism, love our country (and are not ashamed of it), they attempt to speak truths about things like immigration and welfare (since i have grown up I can see how perhaps there is such a thing as welfare dependency and it doesn't actually always do what is intended). They are just more realistic about the world we live in - it's full of imperfections and human transgression but we still strive to improve things rather than sitting there moaning about how everything is someone else's fault

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@KevinTheGoat I was quoting another poster who provided a definition of 'woke' which I felt was apt as - whether or not someone feels that all those aspects apply to them or not - highlights how people feel about Labour berating them for having 'wrong opinions'.

FWIW, and to take an example, I don't feel that immigration is uncontrolled etc, but those who do are shouted at and derided as 'Gammon', 'thick', 'racist', 'bigoted' rather than being engaged with. And I don't mean that in a 'I will engage with and therefore enlighten you' way, but some people have good reasons for feeling as they do and shouting them down for being 'wrong' just alienates them and makes those doing the shouting look like intolerant arses. Maybe if Labour listened to why people feel the way they do, they might get somewhere and I'd be bloody glad of it.

I don't think I ever said that Starmer himself had said those things

Turkeys voting for Christmas. Ten years of Tories in power doing fuck all for them and they are still blaming Labour.

The onus is now on Boris to "level up" all the areas who have newly elected Conservative MPs recently. Good luck with that.

The Tories have never cared about the little man. They sell the dream that if you work hard enough, you'll get there. But not in an underfunded, shit school, leaving with zero career opportunities, and a scant few zero hours MW jobs available to you.

I really hope you do not pass this doom and gloom, woe is me attitude, onto your children.

God help them

[quote ChristinaXYZ]Labour supporters actively hate Blair. The only Labour PM who has won back to back for them. Ignore Iraq - that does not count trying to put food on the table in Hartlepool. Blair offered hope - he sold aspiration. Same as Thatcher. Same as Boris. Blair did not carp about the last lot or say "they're bad vote so for me". He offered something. Someone else said this country likes centrists (sorry can't find who). She, or he, is right. Labour need a charismatic centrist who LIKES everybody and offers hope. They missed the chance with David Milliband and more so with Andy Burnham. The real question is not why people in Hartlepool don't vote Labour any more but why Labour thinks it can get in just moaning about the Tories or offering far left stuff that's never, ever been successful here. Added to that - there's all the woke stuff of the last five years. Labour don't stand a chance pretty much anywhere at the moment.

Have you seen the map of the Dudley local election for example??

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You express what I've been trying to say perfectly.

There is no excuse for voting Tory at this stage. None. They've had ten years to show you what they're capable of, and they have. So idiots vote for more of the same.*

I was voting in Senedd election yesterday - I think it's 23 years Labour's been in power here - they control NHS and education. I must be living in utopia.

oversaw the worst death rate in Europe. No it's not

@BuggerBognor what have they achieved? Since you made a point of mentioning your mixed heritage child, can I put to you that just because you pro created with a black person does not mean you will ever understand what it means to be black, having a mixed heritage child does not make you impartial

Who honestly thinks that Johnson would have got near being PM if he had come from a sink estate and gone to a poor comprehensive or a Sec Mod if he lived in Kent or Bucks? I don't. I think he would have been the lad who arsed around at the back of the class.

Labour has a long slog ahead to repair the damage that Jeremy Corbyn and Co caused.

The people wanted a change after 50 plus years.

Apparently the Labour candidate was anti Brexit and Hartlepool I heard was 70 per cent Brexit supporters.

Labour does not represent those people anymore and even worse seems to patronize them and hold them in contempt.

Yes the candidate choice seems bad for now however talented a man he may be.

I don't understand why Corbyn "caused damage". What, by saying things like "build more council homes"? I fucking despair of people, I really do.

You just have to scroll down to is thread to see nothing changed with Labour. “Thick plebs voting for toffs” “idiots” “thick racist plebs” it’s all here in black and white.

Surprise, surprise, people won’t vote for a party that views them like that. All the wide eyed, can’t understand it, brigade need to step away from the Twitter block button, and start listening to views outside of their echo chamber, even if they don’t like them. You don’t change people’s perceptions by ignoring them or screeching abuse at them because they have different opinions to you.

Apparently the Labour candidate was anti Brexit and Hartlepool I heard was 70 per cent Brexit supporters.

^^ Ah yes but apparently they didnt really mean to vote for Brexit, they simply read the wrong paper that told them too. You see they had no issues and plenty of EU money so it was a mistake by the good people of Hartlepool...

I cannot fathom how a country will allow it’s politics be dictated by tax haven owners of newspapers and foreign media owners.

HOUSE!

@HarebrightCedarmoon

I don't understand why Corbyn "caused damage". What, by saying things like "build more council homes"? I fucking despair of people, I really do.

I think you will be living in despair for many more years if you are still not clear about why Corbyn was a disaster

@AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo

Voting Tory means you've either a huge bank balance, and are independently wealthy, or you're an idiot.

Or. God Forbid! Voting Tory means you have a different opinion hmm

Go on, then. The Tories have spent a decade cutting the funding to public services, so there aren't enough police to do an effective job.... so that when you call for help, no one shows up. Your opinion on that is?

The Tories have been in power for all that time. They could have sorted things out, but they haven't. They've chosen to make things worse. They don't care about people. They care about money and power. I very much doubt they care about *you. Do you?

Your opinion doesn't change facts and evidence. All those people complaining they don't want trans people accessing the same public toilets as them: why? They're trying to use a toilet. If you really think a trans person would go to all that trouble just so they could plan some devious attack in a toilet block, you really don't have a clue what trans people are experiencing. No, I'm not trans, but I have a few trans people in my life. The vitriol aimed at and against them is appalling.

The onus is now on Boris to "level up" all the areas who have newly elected Conservative MPs recently. Good luck with that.

Of course, this is where Covid gives him his "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
He would have built 40 new hospitals, and he would have recruited 50,000 new nurses, but sob, sob, Covid ruined my plans.

Would he F**k to that is what I would say.

@CervixSampler

Labour don't know what a woman is. Neither do LibDems. Or the Greens. It's a problem. I suspect the brexit effect is the driver though.

Have to say the green candidate does know what a woman is. I know her.

I don't understand why Corbyn "caused damage"

^^ probably not with some of his messages but unfortunately so many more were so toxic and vile and damaging.

Remember leaders of Jewish groups coming out pleading with the UK not to vote for Corybn, surely unprecedented in our times?

I don't think the people in Hartlepool are voting for Boris. They're voting against what they think the labour party has become. It's seen as a party for well off southerners who like telling people how to think.
Although there are other parties many people see voting as a choice between Labour and Conservative.