Prince Philip has died

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He died this morning

He met Princess Elizabeth because he was the great grandson of Queen Victoria.

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The DoE was well known for making racist, sexist and misogynistic comments

He made about half a dozen in over 70 years which keep getting trotted out ad nauseum. I suspect most, if not all, those f us have said things in a much shorter time frame that we’re pretty grateful no journalist overheard. At least he fought Nazis unlike his grandson who dressed up as one and said equally racist things yet seems to be given a free pass now.

H didn't want OUT of the RF, he wanted out of the boring bits. He wanted more of the glossy bits of being in the RF - the half-in and half-out they wanted. You remember that surely?

Harry very much wanted to stay IN as a senior working royal, he wanted the uniforms and the balcony appearances - he was very clear on what he wanted. Harry wanted the respect for service etc, but not to actually perform the service.

It was the fact that Harry was told no he couldn't do half in/half out that led to leaving in a lip trembling (and indeed thunderous) huff.

Half in - uniforms and photo ops and the half-out of Foundations and living in the US etc.

We in the UK are not duped by US foundations as being anything other than money making scheme for the individuals concerned - it is nothing like what the UK would perceive as charitable and certainly not anything the RF could be associated with.

So sorry your "victim" Harry didn't want out - he wanted the moon on a stick, so to speak. It doesn't exist and reality bit him on the bum and they ran off to Canada. He then claims it was because of racism. It's because H was always a diminishing royal to be side-lined away from William's descendants.

This seems to be the bit of the story where so many of the Harry is a saint fans started to notice events, ie don't know anything about his petulant and grandiose ambitions for himself changing the RF leading up to his exit when he was told in no uncertain terms : it's not your show to change.

@Alsohuman

The DoE was well known for making racist, sexist and misogynistic comments

He made about half a dozen in over 70 years which keep getting trotted out ad nauseum. I suspect most, if not all, those f us have said things in a much shorter time frame that we’re pretty grateful no journalist overheard. At least he fought Nazis unlike his grandson who dressed up as one and said equally racist things yet seems to be given a free pass now.

Nope can't say I've ever said anything racist, sexist, misogynistic etc. Maybe because I was bought up with manners

I have just looked up a 'Prince Philip gaffes' article, and some of them are quite funny!

‘I declare this thing open, whatever it is.’ (on a visit to Canada in 1969).

Glad you’re perfect @cyclingmad. Must be fabulous to be the only person on the planet who is. Or very lonely.

I don't let adults off awful behaviour due to "trauma" - lots of people suffer trauma and it turns them to into more compassionate people, not the type to sell their own grandmother.

God save us from the Harry is a victim brigade - he thought he was on to a winner living half in California being a Prince and half in UK as a Prince.

Turns out he was the only half-wit that "believed" this particular fairy tale a possibility.

Meghan kissed a Prince telling huge porkies about how important he is and subsequently turned into a frog in California, ribbit. Let's call it what it is - a vain man-child throwing a world wide tantrum. Carry on calling it racism because saint Harry says it is (trust worthy source, not), but things like facts and the actual events get in the way of that version.

Harry should man up and name the person in the family that asked him the question about skin colour and also clarify was it when he first got with M (as he said) or about Archie (as M said) in the same self-contradictory interview?

I'm astonished people make excuses for such a petulant man throwing accusations of racism about his own family - he has nothing but an eye on his own self-glory which nowadays is to be a "victim". Weird kind of glory to aspire to, but I guess he'll take whatever's on offer.

'I think that acknowledging Prince Philip's achievements (e.g. DoE award, navy service) can be done at the same time as being honest about his faults (famously rude/bad tempered, made racist/sexist comments). He wasnt a total saint or an awful person, he was human'

Exactly. So many tributes on tv programmes from people who actually met him. He overcame a sad childhood to go on and support the Queen for 70 years. Actually supporting her, not just wanting to be the centre of attention himself.

Some people clearly cannot stand how he was held in such high regard, warts and all.

Well the chinese slitty eyes comment came about as beforehand chinese students were warned not to stay in the west too long, by their elders, otherwise they'd go round eyed. Philip made a joke back to someone from England.

The spear comment delighted the man he said it to as it was after they overexcitedly got out their spears. I don't know about the rest, I'd have to look at them again.

I'm not a sychophant but he did have a remarkable life.

@Alsohuman

Glad you’re perfect *@cyclingmad*. Must be fabulous to be the only person on the planet who is. Or very lonely.

Its not lonely and I have my weaknesses bit good manners and treating people equally and without any discrimination is how I was raised and the type of society we should all be able to live in.

So no I don't think ant of his achievements can deter from the things he said. He doesn't represent a country that sgrives to be equal and free of racism or discrimination.

Racism is more institutional in the UK and no surprise really, one of its oldest institutions the monarchy at the heart of it

'Well the chinese slitty eyes comment came about as beforehand chinese students were warned not to stay in the west too long, by their elders, otherwise they'd go round eyed. Philip made a joke back to someone from England'

Yes, context is conveniently never mentioned when the racist klaxon goes off. Of course a couple of racist/ill advised remarks he made shouldn't be forgotten but neither should all the good he did.

'I'm not a sychophant but he did have a remarkable life'

He did. Duty, service. Prince Philip was allegedly close to Diana and supported her which surely demonstrates he was a good man. He had such a disjointed childhood, separated from family, but instead of being petulant and bitter he seemed very compassionate.

Nope can't say I've ever said anything racist, sexist, misogynistic etc. Maybe because I was bought up with manners

Yet not enough manners to apologise after getting called out when mistakenly accusing others of turning the other cheek to racism/condoning racist comments...

I think that's where the problem lies : differing versions of being brought up well. At odds with about 98% of the rest of the world's version of compassion.

The racist bingo players on these threads expose themselves as very small minded individuals. I know in their version of the world they're the kind people, but no-one else is remotely fooled.

"Yet not enough manners to apologise after getting called out when mistakenly accusing others of turning the other cheek to racism/condoning racist comments..." hypocrite hunter - spot on and very well said.

The lack of class of these type of posters throwing nasty accusations (similar to Harry).

They seem to know very little of any history of any kind pre-Harry's stomp off to Canada. I wonder if they've ever heard of Matthew Hopkins? Look and you'll find the witches, doesn't mean they're witches though just means a nasty mind with an agenda to see "racism" or "witches" in every poster that doesn't agree with them.

Truth outs in the end.

Well the chinese slitty eyes comment came about as beforehand chinese students were warned not to stay in the west too long, by their elders, otherwise they'd go round eyed. Philip made a joke back to someone from England

I didn’t know that. The context completely changes it.

@Alsohuman

Well the chinese slitty eyes comment came about as beforehand chinese students were warned not to stay in the west too long, by their elders, otherwise they'd go round eyed. Philip made a joke back to someone from England

I didn’t know that. The context completely changes it.

Oh ffs, no it doesn't!

Oh ffs yes, of course it does. Unless, of course, you think racism is a one way street.

'Oh ffs, no it doesn't!'

Don't you think his years of dedication and service are far more important than a couple of ill advised comments? Read some newspapers and see what he actually achieved over the years. His military service for starters.

So many of you on here and Twitter desperate to label him a 'racist old white man'. Which in itself is bigoted and ageist, ironically.

The biggest whingers are the most intolerant nowadays.

Nope can't say I've ever said anything racist, sexist, misogynistic etc. Maybe because I was bought up with manners Amazing considering how the correct thing to say changes so much.

When I was young it was considered impolite to call people black, then it became the correct thing to say. On equality training courses we were told to say "ethnic minority." then there was BAME or did person of colour come next.

My black/ethnic minority/BAME/POC husband isn't sure what he's supposed to say anymore, are my children mixed race or biracial? I've got no idea which is correct anymore.

My husband hates BAME, says he'd rather the N word. I hate POC, I think it harks back to slave days.

So if you have always been bang on up to date on the "correct" thing to say you really deserve a prize.

@OrangeBlossomsinthesun

I believe since his marriage Harry has talked about how he didn't understand racism or unconscious bias and has talked about BLM etc. To my knowledge the DoE has never discussed his sexist and racist remarks so I have to conclude he had not changed those opinions.

I bet he didn't know the Nazi's were a bad lot either. Is ignorance an excuse for him?

@JaniieJones

'Oh ffs, no it doesn't!'

Don't you think his years of dedication and service are far more important than a couple of ill advised comments? Read some newspapers and see what he actually achieved over the years. His military service for starters.

So many of you on here and Twitter desperate to label him a 'racist old white man'. Which in itself is bigoted and ageist, ironically.

The biggest whingers are the most intolerant nowadays.

"gaffes", "banter", "ill advised comments". Stop excusing racism.

@ancientgran

Nope can't say I've ever said anything racist, sexist, misogynistic etc. Maybe because I was bought up with manners Amazing considering how the correct thing to say changes so much.

When I was young it was considered impolite to call people black, then it became the correct thing to say. On equality training courses we were told to say "ethnic minority." then there was BAME or did person of colour come next.

My black/ethnic minority/BAME/POC husband isn't sure what he's supposed to say anymore, are my children mixed race or biracial? I've got no idea which is correct anymore.

My husband hates BAME, says he'd rather the N word. I hate POC, I think it harks back to slave days.

So if you have always been bang on up to date on the "correct" thing to say you really deserve a prize.

Well I haven't seen the need to refer to another person by the colour of their skin or ethnicity. I use their name. If I have to describe a person I've always used hair colour, height, eye colour instead.

@SprungisSpringYaY

I honestly do not understand the level or depth of someone people's understanding of pain and trauma.

The Royal family don't strike me as particularly functioning bunch.. Charles has said himself his upbringing was challenging and he had both his parents!
Harry before Diana's death had to endure a totally alien world of nannies.. Formality.. Function.. Then a dire public divorce of his parents, excruciating interviews.. Leaked tapes from his parents, shuttled from one sad house to another.. Public scrutiny, press intrusion and boarding school.
On top of that his mother died suddenly and tragically in an horrible way.
Subsequent raking over her death.. Was she even pregnant! Intimate, sordid rumours flew around, mohammed fayed insisting it was the royals themselves who killed her and his son!! That went on for years and years and years!!

What is wrong with people, this is major trauma and bizzare... How can any amount of money make all that better??

How??

And people say he's spoilt??

Yes! By this trauma and totally unnatural situation he's been forced to grow up in and now wants to leave.

Well compare it to his grandfather, born into turmoil in Greece, taken out in an orange box, living in a borrowed flat in Paris with his schizophrenic mother, his mother disappearing to a psychiatric hospital and his father off for jollies in the South of France. No contact for years. Sent off to boarding school in a foreign country. At 18 preparing to serve in a war, his career cut short as he had to support his wife.

No one has it easy in this life but a secure family when you are growing up is priceless. I suppose we can at least give Philip's mother a pass as she was ill at a time when the treatments we have were unimaginable. A mother going on TV to humiliate and embarrass her husband and children is rather less forgivable.

' bet he didn't know the Nazi's were a bad lot either. Is ignorance an excuse for him?'

Oh poor H, he's just so misunderstood!

'gaffes", "banter", "ill advised comments". Stop excusing racism.'

Oh change the record ffs.

As I said try reading some newspapers and actually educate yourself on what he did and what he achieved.

Well I haven't seen the need to refer to another person by the colour of their skin or ethnicity. I use their name. If I have to describe a person I've always used hair colour, height, eye colour instead. That must be handy so black/BAME/POC people like my husband would be someone with black hair, brown eyes and tall. So if there were half a dozen men like that you wouldn't think to say he's the black one? How hilarious. Talk about tying yourself up in knots about nothing.

Do you think it is offensive in some way to say his skin is brown, is he supposed to be grateful that you pretend you notice his hair, his eyes and his height but his skin is invisible to you. Actually I feel quite offended for him and my children so that's a first for you.