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HypocriteHunter · 10/04/2021 11:25

Who is looking the other way?

We are allowed to pay respect to a man who has died. One who spent his life supporting the Queen.

Harry’s comments and actions weren’t funny or cute either. No one has condoned the comments from either of them. But some excuse H because of his marriage. It doesn’t make his previous comments/actions any less palatable.

Canny who you accuse of looking the other way. You don’t know my world or my life or my experiences.

On yer bike.

C130 · 10/04/2021 11:25

There are too many people on here looking the other way concerning racism, or contributing to it sadly.

cyclingmad · 10/04/2021 11:37

@HypocriteHunter

Who is looking the other way?

We are allowed to pay respect to a man who has died. One who spent his life supporting the Queen.

Harry’s comments and actions weren’t funny or cute either. No one has condoned the comments from either of them. But some excuse H because of his marriage. It doesn’t make his previous comments/actions any less palatable.

Canny who you accuse of looking the other way. You don’t know my world or my life or my experiences.

On yer bike.

Your looking the other way when you refer to his comments as gaffes which downplays them as though its nothing serious.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 10/04/2021 11:43

I believe since his marriage Harry has talked about how he didn't understand racism or unconscious bias and has talked about BLM etc. To my knowledge the DoE has never discussed his sexist and racist remarks so I have to conclude he had not changed those opinions.

HypocriteHunter · 10/04/2021 11:55

Your looking the other way when you refer to his comments as gaffes which downplays them as though its nothing serious.

When did I say that cycling? I have not - nor have I ever.

I repeat - you do not know my circumstances and you do not know me.

Shame on you.

queenofarles · 10/04/2021 12:02

believe since his marriage Harry has talked about how he didn't understand racism or unconscious bias and has talked about BLM etc oh come on! Are you telling me that Harry ,during his entire upbringing was never familiarised with these topics? Didn’t know what’s wrong and whats not? Are you telling me that people in the RF call south Asian P* And think nothing of it?
But yes blame your family for your stupidity.

BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 10/04/2021 12:10

I think that acknowledging Prince Philip's achievements (e.g. DoE award, navy service) can be done at the same time as being honest about his faults (famously rude/bad tempered, made racist/sexist comments). He wasnt a total saint or an awful person, he was human.

I feel no real grief for the fact that an unwell 99 year old man has died, beyond sympathy for his wife and family, and the feeling of shared history slipping further away when our links to it pass away. It's part of life - painful for those who were closest to him, but not a tragedy beyond that. No one is selfish enough to wants a 99 year old man to remain alive, in pain and sick, when it's their time to go.

He didn't want a state funeral, and I don't believe the queen would have considered going against his wishes (I wouldn't ignore my DH's wishes for his funeral). I also think he wouldn't want the fuss going on at the moment. His quotes make me think he was probably appalled by the modern trend for people to cry over the deaths of people they've never met. As a man who was famous for 'plain speaking', he didn't gloss over his views of other people, so why would he expect other people to gloss over their view of him?

derxa · 10/04/2021 12:27

Whenever I read threads like this it always reminds me of the Jack Nicholson speech in A Few Good Men.

Marmaladeagain · 10/04/2021 13:30

"I believe since his marriage Harry has talked about how he didn't understand racism or unconscious bias and has talked about BLM etc. " Ha ha that really is a funny comment.

A new religion of hatred in which Harry has been granted forgiveness for saying the correct words "forgive me, I have sinned" and the wokerati hail him as a new saint. He hasn't changed, he is fundamentally an unpleasant character. Haven't you noticed how he treated his grandmother and grandfather in the last month?

He decided to present to M that Archie isn't a Prince because of his mixed race. Harry knows full well the reason is because it is only during Charles' reign that it is a potential (if, they'd stayed as working royals and not the open blackmail they've now adopted).

Harry is very, very unpleasant and absolutely revealed his inner mind during his racist slurs at a time when there was no excuse to imply that it was even a different era etc (only a few years ago you do realise?)

It does seem a lot of the wokerati on these threads are from other US and Australia etc (spotted it lots of time with their lack of knowledge of events of the time and their lack of understanding of nuance of UK life). They change their name, but their lack of knowledge of UK life just continues to seep on through with their posts.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 10/04/2021 13:47

I'm not excusing any of them. Is Harry a dick? Probably. I don't know. Who cares. They're an anachronistic waste of space, the whole lot of them.
If they're all just humans and not special, why do we afford them such ludicrous privilege and deference?
The DoE was well known for making racist, sexist and misogynistic comments. Therefore I am not particularly distressed about his passing. I'm sure his family will miss him and it is sad for them. He was a historical figure so I understand why it's on the news, but beyond that, give me a break with all the "legend" crap and people saying they are "heartbroken".

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 10/04/2021 13:50

I'm neither American nor Australian. British born and bred. Neither would I describe myself as woke.
I just don't agree that Philip was a great man. He was a hugely privileged man by accident of birth and marriage who continued to say deeply offensive things throughout his life. In public. As a representative of the uk.

brushlaptop · 10/04/2021 13:52

@Marmaladeagain 💯 you hit the nail on the head here!

GCAcademic · 10/04/2021 13:57

He was a hugely privileged man by accident of birth

There was nothing privileged about his childhood. It was a pretty horrendous one.

CovidCorvid · 10/04/2021 13:59

Everyone on MN is privileged by birth to some extent. I can't get worked up about his privilege.

IrmaFayLear · 10/04/2021 14:03

Exactly, @Marmaladeagain . I saw a few minutes of the Prince Philip tribute last night where they were on that freezing cold barge going down the Thames in 2012. In the background you can see Harry... and his face! It was thunderous . I think he is a very spoilt and juvenile man. For people to give him this pass because of Meghan is ludicrous. He is the same privileged person as ever. Giving him a halo shows up those now worshipping him as total hypocrites.

Marmaladeagain · 10/04/2021 15:00

yes, thunderous is the perfect description of the expression I've often seen on H's face. Unpleasant and self-centred is how I've always seen him, never had the indulgent feeling some had of him over the years.

SprungisSpringYaY · 10/04/2021 15:07

I honestly do not understand the level or depth of someone people's understanding of pain and trauma.

The Royal family don't strike me as particularly functioning bunch.. Charles has said himself his upbringing was challenging and he had both his parents!
Harry before Diana's death had to endure a totally alien world of nannies.. Formality.. Function.. Then a dire public divorce of his parents, excruciating interviews.. Leaked tapes from his parents, shuttled from one sad house to another.. Public scrutiny, press intrusion and boarding school.
On top of that his mother died suddenly and tragically in an horrible way.
Subsequent raking over her death.. Was she even pregnant! Intimate, sordid rumours flew around, mohammed fayed insisting it was the royals themselves who killed her and his son!! That went on for years and years and years!!

What is wrong with people, this is major trauma and bizzare... How can any amount of money make all that better??

How??

And people say he's spoilt??

Yes! By this trauma and totally unnatural situation he's been forced to grow up in and now wants to leave.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 10/04/2021 15:25

@GCAcademic

He was a hugely privileged man by accident of birth

There was nothing privileged about his childhood. It was a pretty horrendous one.

His family fell on hard times but he was from a privileged section of society, with royal ancestry. He would never have married the queen without that background. Once he married the queen then he lived a life of unbridled privilege. Even in childhood he went to public school. Which enabled him to make advantageous connections later on.

Ocsetldil · 10/04/2021 16:15

Gordonstoun was not the famous school it is now when Philip was there. It had just opened. So it wasn’t the “public school” network that gave Philip the advantageous connections, more like being the great grandson of Queen Victoria.

BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 10/04/2021 16:16

It was a private boarding school. It was hardly the local comp.

GCAcademic · 10/04/2021 16:20

I would rather go to the local comp. Gordonstoun back then sounds like hell.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 10/04/2021 16:27

@GCAcademic

I would rather go to the local comp. Gordonstoun back then sounds like hell.

He loved it. And it was hardly roughing it in educational terms.

Ocsetldil · 10/04/2021 16:30

Philip could have gone to the local secondary modern school (comprehensive schools were not created until 1965) and Philip would still have made the same social connections.

Ocsetldil · 10/04/2021 16:31

The same social connections that enabled him to meet Princess Elizabeth.

HeadNorth · 10/04/2021 16:31

If he went to the local comp, he couldn't have married queenie and lived a life of unimaginable privilege where he could spout racist guff while sycophants lapped it up as being 'characterful' or some such tosh.

Come to think of it, if he'd gone to local comp he might have developed the skills not to loftily disparage anyone who wasn't white, male and privileged and then call it a joke.