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Prince Philip has died

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YellowPurple · 09/04/2021 12:06

He died this morning

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wheresmymojo · 09/04/2021 14:48

[quote TempsPerdu]@HypocriteHunter But why should we be forced to care about it? Why should our lives be affected and inconvenienced by the death of someone we’ve never met and aren’t remotely interested in?

It’s not the mourning itself that bothers me; fine if people wish to pay their respects. But it should be a choice and there should be no compulsion whatsoever to do so, or even to pay attention to it.[/quote]

You're not being forced to care about it.

The RHS is private land, they can choose to close whenever they want to and for whatever reasons they wish to.

They aren't forcing you (who isn't even there anyway) to care about it. They are closing because they care about it and why should you force them not to?

If you then choose not to go back because you disagree - then fine.

WeekendCEO · 09/04/2021 14:49

I always thought the minimum etiquette was to be polite about the deceased in the immediate aftermath of a death.

It depends how they were in life in my opinion.

GreenSlide · 09/04/2021 14:49

@Jubilate

To be fair the clue is in the name of the RHS. It's not a branch of Tesco.
Yes! Mithering about the RHS gardens closing is completely daft, it's obvious why they've closed.
Cornettoninja · 09/04/2021 14:49

[quote TempsPerdu]@Cornettoninja I’ll be angry about whatever I like if it’s all the same with you. On a micro level I’m angry about my SIL’s day being ruined, especially given that it was a long-awaited treat after a very dark year for our family. Extrapolating from that, I’m also angry on behalf of all those who have been thrown out, as there will have been many others for whom today was the first get together with relatives etc after the shitfest that has been Covid.

And on a macro level I’m angry about the RHS’s decision to close, the unavoidable wall to wall coverage on every possible media outlet and the massive current trend towards groupthink and conformity that assumes everyone is of the same mind and feels the same way. It’s part of a bigger overall picture and it’s one I really don’t like.[/quote]
It’s your blood pressure 🤷‍♀️

wheresmymojo · 09/04/2021 14:50

There's literally no compulsion on you whatsoever.

You could, right this second, walk away from this thread and get on with your life as though nothing has happened.

You're making yourself pay attention to it on here and then moaning that other people are making you pay attention to it...surely you can see how bizarre that is?

Go and do normal Friday afternoon stuff and ignore it if that's what you want to do 🤷🏻‍♀️

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 14:50

@Graphista

Another who is no royalist, but that's a hell of an innings and a lengthy marriage which genuinely appeared to still be a happy and strong one. I know divorce would never have been an option in either of their minds had it not been, but that really didn't seem to be the case.

I wasn't a particular fan of Prince Philip, but the passing of anyone is incredibly sad for any family whatever the age and circumstance so my heart does go out to them at this difficult time especially the Queen. Similar to pps I saw how my own grandmothers struggled to keep going following their own husbands deaths after long marriages and the effects can be shocking.

I met them both on a few occasions through initially my fathers work and then later my own. They were always polite and friendly in person from my brief interactions with them, and it's those meetings that also inform my feeling that it was a happy and supportive marriage. Philip was always gentlemanly and gallant towards the Queen and it didn't feel like it was out of duty or for public perception but truly because he loved her deeply.

Very well put @Graphista

He is also one of the last of the war generation, which feels more significant to me than his royal status. It’s another marker of a generation leaving us, and of course his war record was very good.

SprungisSpringYaY · 09/04/2021 14:51

It's very sad, end of an era!! Nealry a hundred.. The decades and changes he's seen.. His age alone is monumental.
However emotionally.. When I heard dear captain Tom had died I burst into tears but Prince Philip... Lived to good age.. Sad.. End of era.. Hope queen and family is OK.. I think out of them all its Harry I feel for.. Because its now his Second big loss..

Cornettoninja · 09/04/2021 14:51

If you then choose not to go back because you disagree - then fine

Go back? It’s not even the person who was chucked out complaining. @TempsPerdu is getting angry on her SIL’s behalf.

Jubilate · 09/04/2021 14:52

Well I’m a republican but I always thought the minimum etiquette was to be polite about the deceased in the immediate aftermath of a death. @RickiTarr

That's it, isn't it? This idea that anyone who isn't mentioning his less desirable traits a matter of hours after his death, is a raging royalist.

Between that and deciding that British classism can be summed up in the inability of the middle classes to gain access to an RHS garden for an afternoon. This thread has it all.

Cheeeeislifenow · 09/04/2021 14:52

*I always thought the minimum etiquette was to be polite about the deceased in the immediate aftermath of a death.

It depends how they were in life in my opinion.*

Agree with this. Why on earth should my opinion of this man change because he has died?
There is a lot of thread policing on here.

TempsPerdu · 09/04/2021 14:53

@wheresmymojo Sage advice I’m sure, and exactly what I shall now do, although given the wall to wall sycophancy on every possible media outlet right now it looks like a lengthy media blackout will be required. Thank god for podcasts and Netflix.

I’ll leave you all to your sackcloth and ashes.

Oldbeams · 09/04/2021 14:54

Very sad news.

I'm bordering on Republican but anyone loosing their dh after 73 years of marriage deserves much sympathy, especially when they have known their dh since the age of thirteen.

And I know from personal experience that it's still a shock, even when it isn't completely unexpected.

I hope that Covid-19 restrictions will work in the Queen's favour in a way, in the sense that they can keep funeral proceedings more private than would normally be the case. Not good if her extended family can't be with her though.

LiJo2015 · 09/04/2021 14:54

I feel nauseous just thinking about the weeks of people and the media telling everyone how great he was.

jessstan2 · 09/04/2021 14:54

@wheresmymojo

Even if that was true, there's certainly no mention of the wrongs committed in the name of queen/king and country in the all too recent past. No apology.
They still give out awards in the name of empire, which attention starved celebrities are all too happy to accept. The empire is still seen as something to be proud of. Members of the firm still visit 'commonwealth' countries to remind citizen's of their place. Take a look at the thread in Active about the resurgence of violence in NI. Can't say the royal family of today have nothing to do with any of that.
...............

I hardly think our Queen and her immediate family are responsible for those wrongs. It's a long time since Britain had an empire, most are glad of that, it was a huge responsibility and a hassle. The Commonwealth is a different thing altogether, the royals appreciate it and nurture it, don't keep people in their places.

Anyway what has that to do with Prince Philip dying?

Take your hateful prejudice elsewhere.

Notonthestairs · 09/04/2021 14:55

I've had multiple family bereavements and what has hit me in recent times is the loss of shared memories.

So I feel sorry for the Queen as I do for anyone who loses a family member. I doubt their marriage was all sunshine and roses but they weathered a lot together.

HypocriteHunter · 09/04/2021 14:55

No one is forcing YOU to care - your SIL banging on about her ruined day might make you pissed off but you don’t have to care.

It isn’t the fault of PP or the RF that the RHS shut for the day.

It is unfortunate but they can go to see it again.

There is a lady out there that won’t get to see her husband again.

I choose to care more about that. Because in the big scheme of things most, if we got the chance, would lament the lack of another day with a loved one.

There wouldn’t be many crying over a missed day out looking at flowers.

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 14:55

@SprungisSpringYaY

It's very sad, end of an era!! Nealry a hundred.. The decades and changes he's seen.. His age alone is monumental. However emotionally.. When I heard dear captain Tom had died I burst into tears but Prince Philip... Lived to good age.. Sad.. End of era.. Hope queen and family is OK.. I think out of them all its Harry I feel for.. Because its now his Second big loss..
Captain Tom was another long lived WW2 veteran, of course.

A couple of people here have surprised me by being actually tearful today. However I think both CT & PP are emblematic of a generation and remind a lot of people of their own dads, grandads and so on.

(William has exactly the same relationship to Diana and Philip that Harry does BTW.)

Oversize · 09/04/2021 14:57

I can't imagine how it must feel to lose someone you've loved for so long.

RickiTarr · 09/04/2021 14:57

@Jubilate

Well I’m a republican but I always thought the minimum etiquette was to be polite about the deceased in the immediate aftermath of a death. *@RickiTarr*

That's it, isn't it? This idea that anyone who isn't mentioning his less desirable traits a matter of hours after his death, is a raging royalist.

Between that and deciding that British classism can be summed up in the inability of the middle classes to gain access to an RHS garden for an afternoon. This thread has it all.

Quite.

Anyway, RIP Prince Philip and thanks for your war service. Wine

Cactus1982 · 09/04/2021 14:59

Why do I get the impression that TempsPerdu is one of those people who’d complain if a fatal road accident made her late for something.

AgeLikeWine · 09/04/2021 15:00

I obviously sympathise with the royal family, as I would any family who had lost a father and grandfather.

But, as a Republican, I’m really not looking forward to the inevitable nauseating media-fuelled public grief-fest which will take over the country for the next fortnight. I wish I could go on holiday to escape it, but I can’t.

anon12345678901 · 09/04/2021 15:01

@Cactus1982

Why do I get the impression that TempsPerdu is one of those people who’d complain if a fatal road accident made her late for something.
I get that impression too 😂
Jurassicperk · 09/04/2021 15:01

@jessstan2

The problem with the empire was the hassle it caused Britain?! You're a gift that keeps on giving.

And, as much as you tell me to leave, I don't need to. I've no hate towards anyone. Complete apathy at the absolute worst but that's about all.

wheresmymojo · 09/04/2021 15:03

@AgeLikeWine

I obviously sympathise with the royal family, as I would any family who had lost a father and grandfather.

But, as a Republican, I’m really not looking forward to the inevitable nauseating media-fuelled public grief-fest which will take over the country for the next fortnight. I wish I could go on holiday to escape it, but I can’t.

TBH this is how I feel about sport: so during World Cups and whatever other insufferable excuses people find to televise rich men kicking bits of inflated pig around I just avoid the whole thing and do something else.

Because the world doesn't revolve around my specific feelings about things.

mosgirl · 09/04/2021 15:05

I felt more upset than I expected to. The end of an era, and for most of us, he has been a figure at the queen's side for all of our lives.

I feel very sad for the Queen and her family. Just because someone is elderly it doesn't make their death any less sad for those who loved him. He was a husband, dad and grandfather.