Breastfeeding isn't easy for all mothers...?

[faithfulbird20]

What do you think? I honestly find it the most hardest thing in the world...finding the right tops, cloths, you're feeding one side the other side decides to leak a waterfall, baby doesn't want to latch properly, mild tongue tie, sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard and annoying, breast milk has leaked on baby's clothes, baby needs changing. Breastfeeding in front of other people, family etc...

Besides it's basic common sense to say nipple confusion exists. Babies are born expecting to feed from a breast. Doesn't matter what mum has decided to do - that's what a baby expects. They ASAP their latch based on what they feed on, be it a breast or bottle. If a baby has a breast, then a bottle intermittently then of course they can't establish a consistent latch and some babies will only accept one or the other

I don’t believe it exists 🤷🏼‍♀️ I think using bottles from early on is a good thing because it means mum gets a break now and then later on. That’s my opinion.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Besides it's basic common sense to say nipple confusion exists. Babies are born expecting to feed from a breast. Doesn't matter what mum has decided to do - that's what a baby expects. They ASAP their latch based on what they feed on, be it a breast or bottle. If a baby has a breast, then a bottle intermittently then of course they can't establish a consistent latch and some babies will only accept one or the other

That’s a big pile of donkey doo doo.

My baby switched perfectly between breast and bottle.

If babies are born expecting a breast then they would all be able to breastfeed. They’re born expecting to suckle something due to their reflexes, but a newborn baby has no concept of what a boob is.

I don’t believe it exists

Based on....?

You can not believe all you want, but it holds little weight when it does exist- that's like me saying "I don't believe colic exists"

I think using bottles from early on is a good thing because it means mum gets a break now and then later on.

For someone who has had children - and therefore you're very aware how every baby and mother and their needs is different to the next - you have a VERY structured view of how other women should live

My baby switched perfectly between breast and bottle.

As did mine - but that's not proof that it doesnt exist. There are experiences other than your own, you know

This is why the word, that I used some, is important.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

I don’t believe it exists

Based on....?

You can not believe all you want, but it holds little weight when it does exist- that's like me saying "I don't believe colic exists"

I think using bottles from early on is a good thing because it means mum gets a break now and then later on.

For someone who has had children - and therefore you're very aware how every baby and mother and their needs is different to the next - you have a VERY structured view of how other women should live

So do you. It’s just your views are opposite to mine. I’m perfectly entitled to my opinion, these boards aren’t just the domain of women with the same views as yours.

a newborn baby has no concept of what a boob is.

😂😂😂😂😂

What a crock of shit.

How on earth did women feed for millennia pre-formula then? And how come your baby roots for a breast and not, say, an eyeball.

Of course they expect a breast. It's pretty much the only thing they expect when they're born. Expecting it doesn't mean they'll succeed at it - and if presented with a bottle they'll get used to that too. But you cannot claim humans, or any animals, don't know what a breast is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@daisyoranges I’m not sure I understand. I agree it’s something to be proud of. I am just explaining that sometimes knowing your audience can be the kindest thing to do.

So do you

No, I don't. I've just defended my right (and other women's) to be proud of breastfeeding. You've taken a bizarre exception to that. I haven't said a word about how other women should be. Unlike you, how was a prescribed list of how a woman should raise a newborn and how she should feel too

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

a newborn baby has no concept of what a boob is.

😂😂😂😂😂

What a crock of shit.

How on earth did women feed for millennia pre-formula then? And how come your baby roots for a breast and not, say, an eyeball.

Of course they expect a breast. It's pretty much the only thing they expect when they're born. Expecting it doesn't mean they'll succeed at it - and if presented with a bottle they'll get used to that too. But you cannot claim humans, or any animals, don't know what a breast is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Babies dont know what a breast is. They’re programmed to open their mouth until something is put in it, and then suckle. But they don’t anticipate a boob specifically.

[quote Wondermule]@Cleverpolly3 I more meant cases where babies are too tired or weak to feed, like those premature/early or with health conditions, iyswim - no amount of guidance will solve that one.[/quote]
Well that is completely different to the statement you made and which I replied to. Clearly in those cases babies are tube fed more often than not and that would also be able to include of course any expressed milk.

I’m not sure what I think of the “no amount of guidance will solve that one” comment in this context. Even in a situation with a weak or premature baby there is still every purpose to giving support and advice regarding promoting breastfeeding and perhaps at this point supplementary feeding if that is what the mother is endeavouring to do or planning to do.

@Wondermule to honestly CBA arguing with stupid any more. You are talking out your backside, and as far as I can see you have no scientific knowledge beyond your own strange baseless assumptions

James, best not to engage...

Breastfeeding is amazing but of course it can be difficult for some mothers.
I can't speak for anyone else other then myself - I have been fortunate to have found bf easy and relatively hassle free. I still bf my 18 month old now and am proud of myself for getting this far.

I did however, find support from health workers in the early days abit lacking - I hope other mothers who need it feel supported, I know lots of mothers who wanted to bf for longer but didn't carry on because they had difficulties & very little support.

@AnneLovesGilbert I know, I never learn 🥴

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@Wondermule to honestly CBA arguing with stupid any more. You are talking out your backside, and as far as I can see you have no scientific knowledge beyond your own strange baseless assumptions [/quote]
Have a great day!

@AnneLovesGilbert

James, best not to engage...

Agreed. Anyone who doesn’t agree that bf is one of life’s great achievements and that BM flows from the fountain of the Gods, is clearly having a wind up and deserves to be put in the corner. There’s only room for one view on these threads! All hail the golden boob! Right, time for my milk bath...

This is nuts though.

So I can’t be proud of my degree because some women didn’t go to university.

I can’t be proud of getting a job as some women are unemployed.

I can’t be proud of losing weight as some women are overweight.

It doesn’t work like that.

I am passionate about women getting education, access to employment, support to eat healthily - and breastfeed. If they want to.

I honestly can’t understand why a woman can’t feel proud of these things because some couldn’t.

@Wondermule nobody expects everyone to think that.

YOU are the only one on this threads telling women they should or shouldn't be proud of something. Literally you and no one else

@daisyoranges I have asked @Wondermule if she thinks that about all achievements or only ones relating to female biology, because there's a word for people like that.

Haven't had an answer

I am proud of my degree but wouldn’t go on about it in front of my friend who didn’t go to university due to caring responsibilities.
I am proud of getting a promotion but aware of not saying that infront of the people who didn’t get it.
You can be very proud of things while people aware of people’s feelings and difficulties.

2 weeks in today and I bloody hate breastfeeding so much most of the time

Am trying to continue and hope it gets easier - but I totally agree it’s hard, I’m exhausted, leaky, recovering from c section so can’t always hold her properly

Same culprits as always undermining BF, it's benefits, it's importance. Anyone would think there were corporations making vast sums of money from telling women it's too hard...or a current culture desperate to divorce women from our biology and monetise it all....

I've found it hard, easy, something I take pride in, nothing to boast about. I've ebf 3 babies, exclusive and extended. I've worked full time, been a SAHP, been single, married, younger and in my forties. Each and every time, information and support are what made the most difference. Rates are low. The benefits are there, and no, not just in countries where there is no clean water. There is now evidence to suggest it even protects against severe effects of Covid.

Some women don't want to, that's great. It is a tie, no lie, although I BF DD for 4y and worked full time from when she was 16w. She never took a bottle. It doesn't have to ruin your life. It can be uncomfortable for a host of reasons. Women have a choice, as they should. Formula is a perfectly acceptable substitute. I was fed it and am doing just fine.

BUT it is wrong to tell women it doesn't benefit them and their babies, purely to be kind to those who struggled. I am sorry for anyone who struggles with anything. Doesn't mean we have to lie, misrepresent, fail to point out reality. Sorry. This culture of not telling people things they don't want to hear isn't Being Kind. It's fucking stupid and setting young people up for a lifetime of massive disappointment.

Women being proud of breastfeeding aren’t “going on”.

Anyone who doesn’t agree that bf is one of life’s great achievements and that BM flows from the fountain of the Gods

Absolutely no one is saying that and you know it