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I know we all love a Chester drawers, but I have one better

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FelicityBeedle · 15/03/2021 15:22

Introducing the fabulous new piece of furniture, the shezlon!

I know we all love a Chester drawers, but I have one better
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DifficultBloodyWoman · 16/03/2021 09:58

@StellaDendrite & @SingToTheSky - since you asked....

This is something often studied in both Linguistics and Applied Linguistics and probably on Tesol courses as well.

Some examples on this thread are homophones in British English (draw/drawer). They sound the same but are spelled differently. These errors can occur with both native speakers and non-native speakers who have better speaking abilities than literacy. Because of the way language is acquired in an ESL classroom, specifically the way in which vocabulary is introduced and taught, non-native speakers will usually only make this mistake if they have learned English outside of a classroom setting.

There is a series of pronunciation books call ‘ship or sheep’ and ‘tree or three’. Accent can affect pronunciation (production of sound) and the way in which the listener perceived/receives the sound. Think of ‘3’ in an Irish accent. You would need context to decide if the speaker is saying tree or three.

Some sounds don’t exist in other languages. So speakers will use the closest phoneme (sound) in their own language. W is commonly pronounced the same way as V by Russian speakers. P and B in Arabic. So you don’t think I am picking on non-native English speakers unfairly,
don’t ask English speakers to produce the guttural ‘gh’ of Dutch and Flemish. A French R is also tough. If you are interested, Google phonemic pairs and explore from there. Some of the examples on this thread are of minimal pairs.

Literacy is another factor. If your first encounter with a word is when you hear it, you will likely adopt that pronunciation, if it is reinforced, even if it is different to your own accent. ‘Fred bear’ is an example that comes to mind. You may never see it written down and therefore if you need to spell it, you chose the most phonetic spelling. And I should point out here that much of the time English spelling does not make sense because it is a bastardised language which has stolen from so many others.

Conversely, if your first encounter with a word is in its written form, and you do not later here it spoken correctly, you will likely mispronounce it.

Never judge mispronunciations - it may well be a sign of being well read.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 16/03/2021 10:38

My grandfather's death certificate says he died from prostrate cancer Hmm

m00rfarm · 16/03/2021 10:41

Chooky embra has been released from hospital today - had just worked our who chooky was and the news came on my news feed!

Muchtoomuchtodo · 16/03/2021 10:47

Just a simple spelling mistake but still Grin

I know we all love a Chester drawers, but I have one better
ememem84 · 16/03/2021 11:15

[quote cafedesreves]@ememem84 deck?[/quote]
Oh of course!

ScrambledSmegs · 16/03/2021 11:27

Ha! Reminds me of this spoof New Zealand advert for deck sealant.

WaxOnFeckOff · 16/03/2021 11:35

[quote DifficultBloodyWoman]**@StellaDendrite* & @SingToTheSky* - since you asked....

This is something often studied in both Linguistics and Applied Linguistics and probably on Tesol courses as well.

Some examples on this thread are homophones in British English (draw/drawer). They sound the same but are spelled differently. These errors can occur with both native speakers and non-native speakers who have better speaking abilities than literacy. Because of the way language is acquired in an ESL classroom, specifically the way in which vocabulary is introduced and taught, non-native speakers will usually only make this mistake if they have learned English outside of a classroom setting.

There is a series of pronunciation books call ‘ship or sheep’ and ‘tree or three’. Accent can affect pronunciation (production of sound) and the way in which the listener perceived/receives the sound. Think of ‘3’ in an Irish accent. You would need context to decide if the speaker is saying tree or three.

Some sounds don’t exist in other languages. So speakers will use the closest phoneme (sound) in their own language. W is commonly pronounced the same way as V by Russian speakers. P and B in Arabic. So you don’t think I am picking on non-native English speakers unfairly,
don’t ask English speakers to produce the guttural ‘gh’ of Dutch and Flemish. A French R is also tough. If you are interested, Google phonemic pairs and explore from there. Some of the examples on this thread are of minimal pairs.

Literacy is another factor. If your first encounter with a word is when you hear it, you will likely adopt that pronunciation, if it is reinforced, even if it is different to your own accent. ‘Fred bear’ is an example that comes to mind. You may never see it written down and therefore if you need to spell it, you chose the most phonetic spelling. And I should point out here that much of the time English spelling does not make sense because it is a bastardised language which has stolen from so many others.

Conversely, if your first encounter with a word is in its written form, and you do not later here it spoken correctly, you will likely mispronounce it.

Never judge mispronunciations - it may well be a sign of being well read.[/quote]
Draw and Drawer are not pronounced the same in all accents, depends on whether it is rhotic or not which is why some people find it so off.

As for being well read, that was my youngest. He could use a vast vocabulary in written form from a young age but the flaw was when he was asked to read aloud in class.

I had a search of our local pages and didn't find much, a few small errors from folk with Eastern European looking names and some adverts completely in Russian (I'm in Scotland) but otherwise pretty good.

Things might be more prevalent in areas due to accent. I did notice someone asking if the tip was open for going way a van. Way being used instead of with.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 16/03/2021 12:08

Draw and Drawer are not pronounced the same in all accents, depends on whether it is rhotic or not which is why some people find it so off.

There are regional variations, of course, but the U.K. is predominantly non rhotic. The US, some Scottish accents and Cornish is predominantly rhotic. (Incidentally, it is believed that waves of immigration from Scotland and the Southwest was the basis for the rhotic American accent. US accents have changed over time).

LizzieAnt · 16/03/2021 12:26

The accent in Northern Ireland is rhotic too.

WaxOnFeckOff · 16/03/2021 12:28

I'm Scottish so I'm biased, but given how many people point out the draw/drawers thing I think it's more widespread than you would think.

RickiTarr · 16/03/2021 12:51

@DifficultBloodyWoman

For those complaining about this thread - I spent a fun filled four months studying this at post grad level. It is both entertaining and educational.

I could bore you about analysing which dialect is most likely to produce which error but well, you already aren’t enjoying the thread so I won’t.

But suffice it to say most examples on this thread are from native English speakers.

Mostly from economically, educationally or multiply deprived native English speakers, presumably?

Certainly a lot of the FB screenshots seem to be from people trying to sell small items quickly and cheaply, so some of them will really need modest amounts of cash in a hurry.

I would never bother photographing a cheap vase, listing it for sale, arranging collection and so on. It would go in the box for the charity shop, because I am tremendously fortunate not to need £5 or £10 that badly. Most Mumsnetters are at least that fortunate too.

The thought of someone scrabbling around the house looking for something to sell so they can buy some dinner or put a tenner on their electricity prepayment key is heartbreaking. Some of these screenshots (not all) will reflect such desperation.

You’re a linguistics graduate, obviously and I’m from a social sciences background originally, so maybe it’s inevitable we see things through a different lens.

LockdownIsDragging · 16/03/2021 13:05

I don’t need the £5 or £10 but regularly list things on Facebook. It is an easy way to pass on items I no longer want in the hope they don’t end up in landfill. But then my nearest charity shop is 10 miles away and I have to pay to park and then carry items a fair distance. I think the number of people who need the money and have objects worth selling is probably rare.

Spidey66 · 16/03/2021 13:09

Haha! As a child, I thought our 3 piece suite cost 3p. Ok it was the early 70s, but still a bargain.

Dontsayyouloveme · 16/03/2021 13:13

It’s ‘Chest of drawers’ not ‘Chester drawers’ isn’t it?? 🤔

Spidey66 · 16/03/2021 13:15

@Dontsayyouloveme

It’s ‘Chest of drawers’ not ‘Chester drawers’ isn’t it?? 🤔
Yes. That's the joke. They've been described on FB selling pages as Chester drawers.
RickiTarr · 16/03/2021 13:17

@LockdownIsDragging

I don’t need the £5 or £10 but regularly list things on Facebook. It is an easy way to pass on items I no longer want in the hope they don’t end up in landfill. But then my nearest charity shop is 10 miles away and I have to pay to park and then carry items a fair distance. I think the number of people who need the money and have objects worth selling is probably rare.
Well we will have to civilly agree to differ then.

Even the much-mocked “Needs gone now” which is often mentioned on threads like this, is a sign of urgency. Not usually because space is suddenly at a premium (not for the small items anyway) but because cash is in such short supply. FB for them is better than eBay because it means a quick local sale, a doorstep handover and cash in their hand.

When I need to sell stuff I use eBay. eBay means carrying stuff to post offices, postal costs, then a wait for PayPal funds to clear.

There’s a bit of a class divide there. Not as an absolute rule, but generally.

To look at these posts and find the spelling of “vase” or “binoculars” the most striking thing, I think you have to be a bit blinkered.

Sorry. 🤷🏻‍♀️

ScrambledSmegs · 16/03/2021 13:19

I've listed cheap items on facebook for sale, because I'd rather sell things for pennies to people who genuinely want/need them, and the charity shops are closed. I won't stop selling on FB when they open up again either.

ScrambledSmegs · 16/03/2021 13:20

One of my friends has terrible SpaG. She's from a financially secure background, educated to degree level (in another language!) has a successful career and is one of the most intelligent people I know. She just doesn't give a shit about spelling and grammar.

It's a bit patronising to assume that all of these errors are due to socio-economic deprivation etc. Some people really don't give a fuck. They probably laugh at the people who notice, for caring about something that they think doesn't matter.

ForwardRanger · 16/03/2021 13:27

@Lonelycrab

Ham bag 😂😂
I genuinely thought you meant one of these

Love love love ham (hand) bag

I know we all love a Chester drawers, but I have one better
RickiTarr · 16/03/2021 13:28

@ScrambledSmegs

One of my friends has terrible SpaG. She's from a financially secure background, educated to degree level (in another language!) has a successful career and is one of the most intelligent people I know. She just doesn't give a shit about spelling and grammar.

It's a bit patronising to assume that all of these errors are due to socio-economic deprivation etc. Some people really don't give a fuck. They probably laugh at the people who notice, for caring about something that they think doesn't matter.

No, you’re right. We can’t assume all of the people who make these errors are deprived.

There’s dyslexics for a start. Blind people using speech software. People for whom English is a second language. Other random cases.

Probably at least half of those being mocked are educationally, economically or socially deprived, though. So it feels wrong to screenshot their spelling for entertainment. To me, at least.

Anyway, I only popped in here and posted in reply to @DifficultBloodyWoman because she addressed her thread “ For those complaining about this thread...”, which seemed to include me.

I’ll leave you all to it now.

midlifecrash · 16/03/2021 13:52

Chersfrozenface but a Welsh Michael Wave is a popaping, which I love

clary · 16/03/2021 13:58

@midlifecrash

Chersfrozenface but a Welsh Michael Wave is a popaping, which I love
That's an urban myth I'm afraid www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/32LYRFTf8hSR9xknCxYXl7T/seven-welsh-words-that-are-well-worth-knowing
Dontsayyouloveme · 16/03/2021 14:03

Spidey66

Ahhh, ignore me... I’ll go back under my rock! 🤦🏻‍♀️

KirstenBlest · 16/03/2021 14:21

@midlifecrash

Chersfrozenface but a Welsh Michael Wave is a popaping, which I love
@midlifecrash I think you mean popty ping. and I agree that it is an urban myth. The welsh for microwave is microdon.
sueelleker · 16/03/2021 14:55

@KeyboardWorriers

Admittedly she's only 6 but my daughter decided to sneak a few extra items on to the shopping list on the blackboard... I can't bear to wipe away her request for a "tub of ass cream"
That's Sudocream isn't it? Smile
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