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The Duchess of Cambridge attends the Sarah Everard vigil

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JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 13/03/2021 20:17

My respect for the Duchess has just shot up. For a Royal, this is pretty bold and brave.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-vigil-kate-middleton-london-b1816862.html

Not forgetting other women - if you attended the vigil tonight, thank you for sticking up for women's rights. Let's hope this is an opportunity for the Met Police to review and change how they treat both offending officers and female victims

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Furries · 14/03/2021 02:39

@Thewithesarehere - no, I’m not, but was making a polite request.

Right now, an officer is charged with the crime and other officers have been totally out of order in response to the vigil. But you carry on being tone deaf and defending them on a thread relating to the victim.

Thewithesarehere · 14/03/2021 02:39

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@Thewithesarehere no you haven't. Stop saying you've said things on this thread you haven't.

Anyway I'm off to bed, that's enough fuckwittery for one evening thank you. [/quote]
I have so far called police sexist, incompetent, misogynist, underfunded and I can’t now remember what else. Rather than engaging in a discussion on how it can be resolved, all you wanna do is put your fingers in your ears and cry ‘you haven’t said it you haven’t said it you haven’t.....’.
What are you on about?

Thewithesarehere · 14/03/2021 02:39

[quote Furries]@Thewithesarehere - no, I’m not, but was making a polite request.

Right now, an officer is charged with the crime and other officers have been totally out of order in response to the vigil. But you carry on being tone deaf and defending them on a thread relating to the victim.[/quote]
Are you reading the same thread as I?
Could you list the words I have so far used for police?

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NiceGerbil · 14/03/2021 02:42

We can't resolve it :/

The police are the only ones who can.

And given the list of massive failings the met have under their belt previously, with various investigations and 'lessons learned', I don't believe they are interested in change.

Furries · 14/03/2021 02:44

Yes, I am - seems to boil down to crap IT systems and lack of money to recruit the good eggs to join the other brave officers.

NiceGerbil · 14/03/2021 02:45

I thought you said that the failure to investigate the indecent exposure was a failure in procedure

And that women criticising them were 'crying misogyny'.

Shame you can't edit posts on mn eh?

Oh yes and people disagreeing with you are deranged or PR bots for the palace Grin

NiceGerbil · 14/03/2021 02:49

'Yes, I am - seems to boil down to crap IT systems and lack of money to recruit the good eggs to join the other brave officers.'

This would be the brave officers who took their ID badges off when policing a protest, killed a man, and then lied about it? And would have got away with it if footage hadn't come out?

The ones who lied about killing an innocent man to make it look like they were justified?

Etc etc

Yay for the met :/

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 14/03/2021 02:53

@Thewithesarehere well I think you said that you know members of the met and they are so brave, despite being violent incompetents, and far superior to a basically inoffensive woman who feels upset about the brutal murder of another woman (almost certainly by a member of the met). I'm sure there's plenty more whataboutery but it's late and I can't be arsed to go back over the thread

To sum up: you're a nasty piece of work who will defend the met no matter what

Furries · 14/03/2021 02:55

@NiceGerbil - absolutely. Hope it didn’t come across that they were my views. I forgot to tag the person I was replying to!

RickiTarr · 14/03/2021 02:57

@FreakOfNature

At first glance she looks alone but watch carefully, every person in that video is part of her security. Exceptionally slick moves, she clearly gets about a lot but with minimum of fuss. Hats off to her x
Yes. I got the same impression. It’s probably how you stays sane and as down to earth as possible.

I have my suspicions about who took the oh so shaky video too, but I almost don’t blame them this week.

NiceGerbil · 14/03/2021 02:59

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Thewithesarehere · 14/03/2021 03:01

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]@Thewithesarehere well I think you said that you know members of the met and they are so brave, despite being violent incompetents, and far superior to a basically inoffensive woman who feels upset about the brutal murder of another woman (almost certainly by a member of the met). I'm sure there's plenty more whataboutery but it's late and I can't be arsed to go back over the thread

To sum up: you're a nasty piece of work who will defend the met no matter what[/quote]
You have to be quite obtuse to say that the all men and women serving in Met are corrupt and incompetent. Even my little one knows better than that.
That would make no sense and would not paint you in a good way.

NiceGerbil · 14/03/2021 03:05

Furries yes I understood!

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 14/03/2021 03:18

@thewithesarehere and yet again, someone who disagrees with you makes no sense and is more ignorant than a small child. Is this really what you consider to be an argument? I doesn't surprise me that you're a police officer, you are utterly incapable of discussion.
I await your next insult. Hysterical maybe? Don't think you've used that one yet

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 14/03/2021 03:22

Oh and I said nothing about corruption, that's from your own little head. I think the British police are generally too incompetent and thick to be corrupt

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lanika · 14/03/2021 03:37

Did the police man know her before? And how did they charge him for murder before they found a body I can't figure out how they knew she was dead and knew he killed her. I just can't cope with the whole situation really. It's beyond evil

RickiTarr · 14/03/2021 03:53

@lanika

Did the police man know her before? And how did they charge him for murder before they found a body I can't figure out how they knew she was dead and knew he killed her. I just can't cope with the whole situation really. It's beyond evil
I think they’re certain he didn’t know her. It was a random kidnap off the street and she was just very, very unlucky to be there when he was on the prowl, poor woman.

They didn’t charge him with murder until after they had found and subsequently identified her body. However he had been arrested before the body was found and questioned for a couple of days.

So it was;
Sarah disappeared.
A search for a few days.
He was arrested.
Human remains were found.
The remains were identified as poor Sarah.
The suspect was then charged and remanded into custody.

I believe what happened is that some combination of bus CCTV and traffic cameras picked up his hire car as being in the location of the kidnap and then followed its journey to East Kent. The kidnap site was identified and processed for evidence. Presumably the car hire company supplied information to the police and the pieces of the puzzle were assembled.

The exact details will come out later but it looks like an efficient piece of policing. What particularly appalls me is the issue around the alleged indecent exposure incident a few days earlier and what happened with the follow up to that. Maybe that was an especially bad piece of policing. It’s hard to be sure quite what happened about that, but clearly he wasn’t arrested after that incident so maybe he wasn’t identified then? That’s hard to think about. That there might have been a chance to get him off the streets and then Sarah wouldn’t age been in his path.

It was all just highly unusual (thank goodness) and Sarah was unlucky, but it isn’t unusual enough. She should have been safe.

amusedtodeath1 · 14/03/2021 04:03

If M&H had done something similar they would have had a professional photographer, full make up, dressed to the nines (see Rememberable Day Photos). This wasn't that, there probably was some PR in there, but it wasn't about Kate, she was understated and kept focus on the issue.

I have no doubt that Kate has genuine feelings of sadness about this.

This is ego-less PR not about a "star" but about a horrible, sad, important issue.

RickiTarr · 14/03/2021 04:13

she was understated and kept focus on the issue.

Yes I’ll give her credit for that.

sashh · 14/03/2021 04:30

I don't really think it's brave to be driven somewhere and have security with you (even if they weren't visible they were there!) at an event.

It sends a message, I can come here, but I'm only safe because of the security detail I have.

Diverseopinions · 14/03/2021 04:36

The suspect in this shocking case doesn't appear to have had a long police career. He joined in September 2018, first in a response team in Bromley, and then was seconded to these highly specialist protection duties. It's surprising that that space of time to learn the ethos of the force and for all the specialist training to be mentally strong and to handle arms ( I presume he was an armed officer), unless, of course, his earlier career was something to do with protection and surveillance and that could explain, maybe, why they wanted to recruit him.

. It seems odd that he has gone from being a rooky to doing a job which potentially might involve dealing with highly-organised and high-danger attacks and mentally high-stress.

I am thinking that this is significant. I find it surprising that individuals are recruited to such roles aged 45, but more pertinent to me is that he isn't steeped in police force culture and ethics and hasn't had that much time to integrate the training and all the counselling they get with his own internal regulation, that we all use to operate. I don't in any way think that anything about being in the police force shaped his behaviour, albeit, it might emerge that there have been errors in the force's investigation of the earlier sex incident which prevented him being identified as a risk to women earlier on.

There is so little information, as to be expected in a murder case, but I don't feel I that I shouldn't trust the police because of this appalling crime. There are sadly very dangerous murderous people living in our society, mercifully few of them, and the police generally do a good job at protecting us and apprehending these rogue individuals. This suspect was certainly identified, somehow, relatively speedily.

en0la · 14/03/2021 04:41

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

So so brave to grab and arrest women peacefully attending a vigil about one of their own officers who murdered a woman who did nothing more then go out in public.

So brave

Aka showing the institution's true colours.

One met officer is in a police cell accused and charged with offences of violence to women. Other met officers are filmed being violent to women and its part of their job. When the protests were about BLM and about lockdown the police decided on a hands off approach:

'During last year's restrictions, when Black Lives Matter and anti-lockdown demonstrations took place, police took a hands-off approach to protests'(bbc news)

RickiTarr · 14/03/2021 04:43

@Diverseopinions I read that he was in some kind of nuclear power station police force (never heard of such a thing previously) before switching to the Met three years ago, and that before that he was a soldier. So maybe that goes someway towards explaining what was on the face of it a late recruitment age to the Met?

kittycorner · 14/03/2021 04:46

I think it's brilliant that she attended. Shows respect and that not everything can be separated because Royals aren't supposed to be involved in politics.

Shame on the person who filmed it though. Feels very wrong considering the actual reason she was there, to pay respects to someone's daughter who suffered horribly and was killed.

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