The Duchess of Cambridge attends the Sarah Everard vigil

[JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]

My respect for the Duchess has just shot up. For a Royal, this is pretty bold and brave.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-vigil-kate-middleton-london-b1816862.html

Not forgetting other women - if you attended the vigil tonight, thank you for sticking up for women's rights. Let's hope this is an opportunity for the Met Police to review and change how they treat both offending officers and female victims

I wonder how long it will be until a certain person comes out with their #MeToo stories now.

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

It's good she was recognised. They cant arrest/fine anyone else for covid rule breaking without doing the same for her.

And that's why she attended

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Because it's NOT ABOUT HER, it's about Sarah Everard

I'm confused - do you think women attending a memorial about a murdered woman are making it about them?

How exactly did KM make it about her? Seeing as she didn't utter a word, or speak to anyone? Seeing as she seemingly laid her respects and went home?

She didn't stand out. She wore her scruffy dog walking jacket and just turned up. She validated the vigil, quietly and without fan fare.

I can't believe that as women, we are going to create an artificial conflict between two women we actually don't know that much about.
Because one of them commemorated the brutal murder of another young woman.

Seriously we have got to be capable of behaving better than this.

^ This. I'm glad the DOC went, I don't really care whether it was a PR stunt or not (not convinced it was really) but if it's drawn attention to the whole situation, good on her.

I don't wear a mask outside, why would she have had to in that situation?

I've been on MN on and off for about 14 years, just come back after a break because it annoys me more and more these days and I think it is nastier. It used to be cliquey what with the Moldies incident and stuff (but then it was a lot smaller) but I don't remember the anger.

People seem to just lash out without either thinking or doing a bit of research.

BUT there are plenty of lovely, funny threads and people on here still, you just have to look away from the popular topics.

I'm Irish, lived in London for years and walked home alone later in the evening many times.
I wish I were there now to pay my respects but I feel Kate and all the other women who can are representing the rest of us in showing Sarah and her family solidarity. Our walks of life may be very different but we are all women who've walked home alone except we've experienced a different ending

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Because it's NOT ABOUT HER, it's about Sarah Everard

I'm confused - do you think women attending a memorial about a murdered woman are making it about them?

How exactly did KM make it about her? Seeing as she didn't utter a word, or speak to anyone? Seeing as she seemingly laid her respects and went home?

You're confused? Really? You think a member of the RF rocking up to an event makes them one of the crowd? Of course DOC would be noticed, that was the very point of her attendance. Arranged by the Palace. To promote itself. Unlike any other person there.

She should not have gone.

A family that harbours someone like Andrew and that used tax payer money to fund their security, when they can afford it ten times over without noticing the difference, has no right to turn up at a place like that.

If the Queen and Princess M could travel on the underground with just a nanny unnoticed...But on the other hand DOC might have thought - why should i have to go in disguise, why can't i just go and take some flowers.

I suspect the irony goes over their heads, as I've witnessed so many times this week.

Kate is and always has been discreet, so yes, this does raise eyebrows, understandably but if the same level of cynicism was shown for the Oprah charade, they'd have a point.

Exactly!

MN was a much more pleasant place when I joined 13 yrs ago. People could disagree without being nasty.
Now it seems like many posters have an agenda & just want a fight.

Regarding Kate going to Clapham Common this afternoon, I couldn't care less if was a PR stunt or not a PR stunt. (I think if Kate had turned up with Camilla, Sophie & Anne it definitely would have been a PR stunt)
If it meant even more publicity being drawn to the shocking murder of Sarah Everard I would have been happy for a naked Piers Morgan cartwheeling round the Common with Treat Women With Respect written on his arse cheeks!

@Esse321

If the Queen and Princess M could travel on the underground with just a nanny unnoticed...But on the other hand DOC might have thought - why should i have to go in disguise, why can't i just go and take some flowers.

Were the Queen and Princess M doing this back in the days before social media, phones, the internet? Of course not.

If it meant even more publicity being drawn to the shocking murder of Sarah Everard I would have been happy for a naked Piers Morgan cartwheeling round the Common with Treat Women With Respect written on his arse cheeks!
And you consider yourself part of the ‘nice’ history of mumsnet? Sure.

You think a member of the RF rocking up to an event makes them one of the crowd?

I think a member of the RF going, quietly paying her respects without seemingly getting much attention, then going home hardly makes her the centre of attention does it. I've seen loads of selfies on Twitter of women paying their respects - did they make it all about them too?

And yes I'm confused as to how any woman there today made it "all about them". Explain please, because your attempts at making this seem like a fanfared Royal visit are inaccurate and a slightly desperate attempt at proving to it weak point

@Thewithesarehere

A family that harbours someone like Andrew and that used tax payer money to fund their security, when they can afford it ten times over without noticing the difference, has no right to turn up at a place like that.

So KM can't show support to a murdered woman because her uncle in law is a nonce?

WTF are you lot on?! How can you logically relate any of these events?

Kate has as much right to be there as anyone else.
I think the saddest thing is that a young woman is dead yet there are shallow women on here arguing about whether it is a PR stunt and making it into Kate vs Meghan. Give your heads a wobble FFS. Our daughters and granddaughters have to grow up in this world and deserve better. We need to focus on that

It's the new MN rules. Every thread about the RF has to feature Meghan and Prince Andrew, even if they are in no way connected to the discussion.
Although have we had a mention of Prince Phillip on this thread yet-he usually gets squeezed in somewhere too...

Jesus Christ. I can't stand the royal family but seriously, this thread, tonight. She probably is very upset, she's a human female. PR? I mean I can be as cynical as anyone but that is a truly depressing view of humanity

So KM can't show support to a murdered woman because her uncle in law is a nonce?
Not just an uncle. An uncle who is under full protection of her family.
Sorry but it is the height of hypocrisy: so you are KM and you respect the queen and her decisions, one of which is to protect Andrew.
Yes, I see a HUGE problem with her appearance there. I would have said the same for MM or any other member of the royal family. I also find it al sorts of wrong that her presence there needed precious tax payer’s money when her family can afford the cost without noticing the difference. Met police is chronically underfunded already.
It’s hypocrisy through and through, regardless of which family member turned up.

@QueenOfTheDoubleWide

Kate has as much right to be there as anyone else. I think the saddest thing is that a young woman is dead yet there are shallow women on here arguing about whether it is a PR stunt and making it into Kate vs Meghan. Give your heads a wobble FFS. Our daughters and granddaughters have to grow up in this world and deserve better. We need to focus on that

Whoa - women who point out that other women are being used as pawns in a giant game of misogyny between two patriarchal institutions are shallow? That's misogyny right there. How about getting on Team Women instead of attacking posters who point out the hypocrisy of the Palace and the Press?

Both DOC and MM have been used shamelessly to divert attention from real issues and what you're doing here, finger pointing at other women for calling out the hypocrisy, is hateful and misogynistic.

@Thewithesarehere

If it meant even more publicity being drawn to the shocking murder of Sarah Everard I would have been happy for a naked Piers Morgan cartwheeling round the Common with Treat Women With Respect written on his arse cheeks! And you consider yourself part of the ‘nice’ history of mumsnet? Sure.

I was being ironic. The more publicity Sarah Everard & all the other female victims get the better. And for what it's worth I do not like Piers Morgan's character.

@Sparklingbrook

It's the new MN rules. Every thread about the RF has to feature Meghan and Prince Andrew, even if they are in no way connected to the discussion. Although have we had a mention of Prince Phillip on this thread yet-he usually gets squeezed in somewhere too...

But RF does feature Meghan and Kate and Andrew? So what is your point? We, the plebs, shouldn’t question where the money is going when it could have been used to actually make a difference?

so you are KM and you respect the queen and her decisions, one of which is to protect Andrew

Officially the family is a unit but privately I imagine every single one of them is horrified and staying well clear of him. What did you expect her to do - divorce William over it?

So should KM never, ever leave the house now, or never show support for women? How is that helpful or logical?

@Thewithesarehere

So KM can't show support to a murdered woman because her uncle in law is a nonce? Not just an uncle. An uncle who is under full protection of her family. Sorry but it is the height of hypocrisy: so you are KM and you respect the queen and her decisions, one of which is to protect Andrew. Yes, I see a HUGE problem with her appearance there. I would have said the same for MM or any other member of the royal family. I also find it al sorts of wrong that her presence there needed precious tax payer’s money when her family can afford the cost without noticing the difference. Met police is chronically underfunded already. It’s hypocrisy through and through, regardless of which family member turned up.

I'm struggling to understand why you think KM is responsible for Prince Andrew's appalling behaviour.

@RampantIvy
I am struggling to see how you can see them separately.
It’s the same institution, same family, same umbrella and same brand. RF is as big a brand as you will find anywhere in the world.