ADs teach twisted lyrics to their pet tortoise

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Crawling back to normality slightly slower than a tortoise taking the scenic route...

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4173705-ADs-picnic-in-the-park-with-Twinkle-the-Tortoise

This has angered me. The gaslighting continues.

graziadaily.co.uk/life/in-the-news/covid-a-year-on-frontline/

Janitha Gowribalan, 36, an ICU doctor in London who told us at the start of the pandemic she was worried about how they were going to cope. ‘I didn’t appreciate the fragility of life before. It’s been profound,’ she says. She hasn’t seen her mum since before it all began. ‘I’ve forgotten to be kind to myself and make sure my needs are met
Janitha has patients still in hospital who caught the virus when rules were relaxed before Christmas

The sensationalist press conference on the 19th December put London and Essex into tier 4 banning families getting together #christmasiscancelled was trending on Twitter. The rules wernt relaxed at all. WTF

Gaslighting people just before you expect them to do a SECOND Easter in lockdown. Not a great idea i would have thought.

Makes me wonder how much history was rewritten after the two World Wars. Living in the digital age that is harder. Doesnt seem to stop people having a bloody good go at it though.

Mercy "Makes me wonder how much history was rewritten after the two World Wars. Living in the digital age that is harder. Doesnt seem to stop people having a bloody good go at it though."

I think it's much easier in the digital age.

Did anyone see Lucy Worsley on history's lies? None of it was really new but I had never seen how Stalin doctored photos.

I actually think Stay at Home won't be lifted on 29 March. They'll find a variant from Nowheresville to excuse keeping it.

I agree @AcornAutumn I will believe it when i see/hear it

Oh I forgot to say

I mentioned Texas and guns earlier

To be clear, I am not against guns at all. I thought in the past that perhaps too much was allowed for individuals who could make do with one handgun on their property

Still don't know what I think re open carry

But now I realise, you do need weapons in case the government turn on you and I feel a real fool for not thinking of that before.

@MercyBooth so an ICU doctor didn't appreciate the fragility of life before covid? Surely in normal times ICU skews younger than average in hospital due to accidents, etc since the elderly and very sick are unlikely to survive ventilation. It took covid for that doctor to realise we have a limited shot here?

Although I'm feeling more positive today. Last night I braved the bad place and was told I was making up the figures. I went to bed in a right sulk to be honest but other posters and not just the usual AD crowd. Still some trying to report 'musinformation' in the form of anything they agree with or which contradicts them but it's nice to see people are starting to question.

Doctors lie, so do nurses. They are not angles.

Religious ministers also lie. A neighbour told my mum there were a lot of younger people dying at the hospital she is a minister at. So I checked the published data. Worked out a my one person under 50 every two to three weeks, and this a large hospital in an area of high deprivation and ethnic minorities.

It’s no longer fear orb, it’s fear fantasy.

My friend sent me this yesterday, thought you'd appreciate it.

I am only going to allow myself to hope if schools go back after Easter.

As to the medical profession and death, might I suggest that death is a part of the job and if you can't find a way to accept that it happens, perhaps an ICU is not for you?

My SIL works in a care home and is under pressure to be vaccinated. I'm really angry about this as she's very young (still a teenager in fact - there's a big gap between me and DB and they married ridiculously young but they seem happy on it so far). In what other circumstance would it be ok to pressure a teenager to undergo any kind of medical procedure, particularly one that is much more for others' benefit than hers?

And I'm not freaking anti-vax. I'm about to cry my way through DD's 4 month jabs tomorrow. (I cry because someone is sticking needles in my baby.) But I have made that decision for DD, on the basis of the information I have, and I could decline if I wasn't happy, without losing my job. That's important.

Don't worry @110APiccadilly soon looks like kids will get the covid vaccine. They need to do their bit to protect others, they haven't given up enough yet after-all.
www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BF36G

Well, DD's not getting it (yet, I don't rule out her having it in the future when the dust's settled and we actually know what the risks and benefits are). And if they think school is the trump card there, I'll have the last laugh as I'm planning to home educate anyway.

It just makes no sense. We don't stop people who haven't had the polio vaccine from participating in life, for goodness sake, and polio really is horrifying.

It's insane. I was quite happy to get the vaccine myself but I'm not so happy for my son. And I'm massively pro Vax. I even took 3 trips to the UK in his first year so we could get the Men B vaccine which isn't available here. I don't think I'm being a conspiracy theorist to suggest that government and public health don't seem to be acting rationally at the moment.

And I agree with you about home education. I'm a teacher and I'm shocked at the way teachers have treated children this year. I know some hate their jobs but to take it out on children like that is terrible. I'm seriously considering home education.

@AcornAutumn

I actually think Stay at Home won't be lifted on 29 March. They'll find a variant from Nowheresville to excuse keeping it.

I think this too. I have my vaccination appointment today and I don't want to go. I've had a bad feeling about it for a while, which were made worse when the blood clot claims were flagged up. My dad died from a blood clot and I can't get it out of my head. Dh is going for his and he's not putting any pressure on me. But the rest of the family and my friends won't give it a rest, they are obsessed by asking when and where and how I will feel afterwards. Someone even told me I will feel better! I feel fine now! I have been all over the place. ( legally) shopping, hospital, holiday, pubs, and not caught covid. I've made the decision not to have the jab now but leave it until late summer, when there will be more data. As infections are reducing drastically I'm at much less risk than through the winter just gone. I'm going to lie to my family and friends so they just all shut up.

Does that make me an awful person? I'm sorry to off load here, I don't have anywhere else to turn. This is wrecking my poor head.

It really is no one else’s business about having the jab. I just move on and ignore if anyone asks. The more coercion, the less inclined I am.

Also The Sun must have been paid a huge chunk by the government. Their headlines over the last three days have made certain threads on mumsnet look positively sane!

@starfish88

It's insane. I was quite happy to get the vaccine myself but I'm not so happy for my son. And I'm massively pro Vax. I even took 3 trips to the UK in his first year so we could get the Men B vaccine which isn't available here. I don't think I'm being a conspiracy theorist to suggest that government and public health don't seem to be acting rationally at the moment.

@starfish88 I feel exactly the same about ds potentially getting it.

The way I see it, at my age long term effects (if any come to light) will probably just blend in with the whole "getting older" and won't affect me as much for as long. But DS is only 10. If any long term effects do come to light that could potentially affect his whole adult life.
Does that make sense?

I really don't understand the need for vaccine passports to visit pubs etc.

What has happened to the idea of personal responsibility?

If you are worried about catching covid or passing it onto someone else, then have the vaccine. Then it doesn't matter if the person standing next to you in the pub isn't vaccinated - you've protected yourself.

If you're not worried about catching covid, then don't have the vaccine, and accept that there is a risk that the person next to you in the pub is also unvaccinated and might give you covid.

We don't insist that only people vaccinated against measles, rubella, meningitis etc can go out and enjoy life

Busy bodies just want to police other people. The pro pub vax brigade probably also agree with pubs refusing to serve alcoholic drinks to visibly pregnant women.

I’ve just had my 2nd vaccine today, I am very pro this vaccine but equally I believe that everyone has the right to make the decision for themselves. I spend a lot of my working life dealing with patients who make, what I consider to be, unwise decisions. So long as they have capacity they have the right to do that, I will give all the information but in the end the decision is theirs and I must respect that. The right to informed consent for medical treatment/procedures is fundamental to our way of life.

@110APiccadilly

My SIL works in a care home and is under pressure to be vaccinated. I'm really angry about this as she's very young (still a teenager in fact - there's a big gap between me and DB and they married ridiculously young but they seem happy on it so far). In what other circumstance would it be ok to pressure a teenager to undergo any kind of medical procedure, particularly one that is much more for others' benefit than hers?

When I get my flu vaccine, I don't get on the Tube and think, I wonder if everyone else in the carriage had it.

Compulsory vax for everything is where they ate headed.

Glad you are planning to home ed. Schools were batshit before all this IMHO.

I've been offered the vaccine and will wait for the follow up phonecall to tell them I don't want it. I'm sure it's fine and the reporting about the blood clots has been as utterly silly as the reporting on Covid, namely ill-educated journalists writing clickbait based on reports which simply cannot tell on such small numbers the difference between correlation and causation. However the point is that the risk to me of Covid is practically nil so there is absolutely no medical reason to take even a vanishingly small risk from the vaccine. But if the government genuinely wants to vaccinate everyone it will have to think long and hard about this continued abysmal 'science reporting' which it has encouraged.
I'm starting to think we'll never be let out. Cried this morning.

Quite alarmed at the concept of a doctor who didn't appreciate the fragility of life before covid. Preeeeeeeetty sure they teach that in medical school. What with all the cadavers they have to slice up.

Anyone know where she works so we can all avoid that hospital in future?

In other news niche appeal music news, I grant you I am thrilled that The KLF have finally pulled their fingers out and made their music available for the first time since 1992.

The KLF were a techno/pop/rave duo who were as mad as a box of frogs and revisiting them now feels very appropriate.

At the 1992 Brits, they performed an unlistenable version of their hit single 3AM Eternal with a thrash metal band called Extreme Noise Terror. After the performance a voiceover announced, 'The KLF have left the music business'.

They then left a dead sheep on the steps of the Brits afterparty with a note pinned to the carcas that said 'I died for you', and subsequently deleted all of their recordings before burning a million quid's worth of cash on the island of Jura.

Can't see Dua Lipa or Shawn Mendes doing anything like that.