Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

@Bluntness100

The whole thing if you think about it is odd. But it’s their take on it, and perception is everything, it’s their truth,,,I’ve no doubt at all Charles, William and the queen will see it all very differently. For example That Archie wasn’t to be a prince, or paid for due to rules in existent for years before Harry and Meghan ever met.

The whole thing seems to stem from not being able to do what they wished publicly, Ie interviews, being expected to play second fiddle, for wanting Archie to be a prince and having his security paid for and not getting it, and then having their funding cut off when they published that mad letter about collaborating with the queen and fucking off to Vancouver. I’d imagine Charles was fuming and that’s why he cut them off immediately. Rightly or wrongly.

There will be Harry and meghans side, the royal families side and the truth of it. Which will be somewhere in between.

Harry’s comment that he didn’t know he was trapped until Meghan told him, is thought provoking. I mean was he trapped? Yes there are clear rules about being royal, as there are in most countries with a monarchy, but with that life of service, comes huge privilege. I’m not sure it means you’re trapped really, unless you really don’t want that life, and it appears from Harry’s statement he didn’t feel remotely trapped until meghan informed him of the fact.

What is clear is the division is so so deep now, it will be nigh on impossible for those relationships to recover. The queen will be deeply dismayed that there has been an insinuation she decided Archie couldn’t be a prince due to his potential skin colour. I think any relationship with her and Philip will be completely unrecoverable after that.

It's quite odd to claim that he didn't know that he was trapped when he had to walk behind his mother's coffin age 12, and had multiple ex girlfriend's turn down his proposals on the same grounds.

I've seen so many situations unfold like this (minus the world media), when someone who is emotionally poorly equipped handles a tough situation badly and makes it a thousand times worse - then cries foul and blames the other party.

Indeed, I have a friend, who claims to empathise with the situation hugely, because of her relationship with her husband's family. Now the family contains a few wronguns, no doubt. But I've seen her poking the hornets nest for years, and then crying foul when her actions don't result in her getting all her own way and being carried on their shoulders/bowed down to as a forgiving saint.

They've made their own destiny to a massive extent here.

(The Charles phone situation is another one that could have two sides to it - if someone is blowing up in my face, I back off until they've calmed down. Some people happily blast off at each other and it's all forgiven, some people back away from situations because they'd find it hard to forgive. It's not inherently right or wrong, either way.)

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'I think this interview is not just damaging to the RF but also damaging to US/UK relations generally. Just looking at Twitter there is so much hostility from US media/US accounts to not just the RF but towards British culture generally.'

It's awful isn't it. Flies in the face of everything they purport to represent. The whole thing is toxic and should have been handled privately not in this trashy way.

I highly doubt the Queen gives a shiney white what Americans, not part of the Commonwealth, think of the RF. I know Americans think they're the be all and end all o everyone in the world (Meghan included it seems) and their opinions matter the most but really massive LOL at them calling anyone else racist

I think it was very telling that he said he was trapped but didn't realise he was trapped until Meghan pointed it out to him...

I think Harry has been resentful almost his entire life and to be fair to him the whole construct he was born into is bound to create resentment.

I think those around him helped contain that resentment for a long time, talk him down, talk him around. Walk on eggshells.

Then Meghan comes along and does the complete opposite. She feeds those feelings and encourages them. Why do you let them treat you like this etc..

This is the result.

Suggesting a suicidal person was refused immediate medical assistance is a very serious allegation. I wonder why she would go to the head of HR though who of course deals with staffing issues. Surely they have access to private healthcare for confidential treatment?

Telling the boss of HR would seem a very odd choice.

I think the fatal blow was struck to Harry's relationship with his family

I agree with this, the monarchy will recover. This will be old news soon enough, the monarchy always recovers. It is a storm in a teacup for them. But not for the family relationships. That’s over.

Quite possibly this interview is more for the US audience to enable them to strengthen their roots there and this is to help ingratiate them with the people there by way of explanation into their decision to move continents.

@VanillaIce

Watching the clips again today...she’s a better actress than I thought. The pregnant pauses, the rearranging of the dress, the faltering starts...Oprah acting all shocked at revelations that she was NOT hearing for the first time.

It's America. All fine by me. It would not fly over here though. Why don't they sit down for an interview with one of their choosing among the malicious British press? Because it would really look off.

Yeah, no topics off limits but no really uncomfortable questions at all for her including about her father and her family for example.

They carefully avoided stepping on the Queen's toes, yet the decision about titles relied with her.
If you have a direct phone line, you can ask her?

They quit but they want Royal security and their luxuries paid for. The Netflix deal is to pay for their lifestyle, including the security.

The comment on racism with no names, of course they cannot give more details, they would get sued the day after.

A lot of this is he said she said, who can prove what? Oprah is the big winner with USD7MM in the bank here, and of course them as they get front coverage.

@HouseStuff123

Well, it's been a shocker for sure. Ouch and triple ouch. Racist Royals deny Archie his rightful title of Prince 'cos he is black. Possibly, maybe, not sure, could be that.

My money's on Prince Phil and his gaff prone gob.

Harry's Dad sending him to Coventry, wicked Kate driving poor Megs to tears (over tights IIR).

All flippancy aside, I can't see how Buck Palace can ignore this. I genuinely feel that Harry and Meghan have struck the fatal blow, and that the Royals will slowly bleed out until it's all over, no more Monarchy.

And that's a really sad prospect, 100's of years of tradition and history gone. Not that I'm Monarchist of the year, but I still feel deeply sad for the Queen. All that sacrifice and duty, trying to keep it all together for almost all of her life, and this pair, in one interview, obliterate it.

People always said Harry wasn't the sharpest tack, and if he is unaware of the monumental damage this will cause, then they were right.

I actually think the opposite. I think support for the RF will increase. H&M are a pair of brats whining because they have only about £25million rather than billions, and that the worst thing she had to do was a quick Bob. SO out of touch in a world where poverty is high, morale is low and a global pandemic is killing people at a rate we haven't known in our lifetime. I truly believe people will go "Christ these 2 sound like a fucking nightmare" and empathise with the Palace

I’m so cross at Meghan and Harry.

It’s international women’s day and they have taken over the news with this garbage. Very disappointing.

Also there’s the missing lady in London and that is all but forgotten with all this drama. They could have used this platform for good instead.

Meghan and Harry... you should be ashamed of yourselves you self absorbed idiots.

We are in a pandemic, a global crisis snd Harry is moaning about money. Mate, try losing your job after 20 years and being forced to get a job as a delivering driver to keep a roof over your head, whilst you try to homeschool your kids and not die of covid. Insensitive idiots.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

Suggesting a suicidal person was refused immediate medical assistance is a very serious allegation. I wonder why she would go to the head of HR though who of course deals with staffing issues. Surely they have access to private healthcare for confidential treatment?

Telling the boss of HR would seem a very odd choice.

Because she was being bullied by her colleagues in the workplace.

Her role is paid, albeit not in the same way.

I'd like to see what a tribunal ruling would be as to whether she was effectively also an employee and whether the palace therefore had a legal duty of care as her employer.

I have seen so many overtly racist comments on these threads that I have absolutely no doubt about the skin tone bit of their interview.
This is also why We need to abolish monarchy: it is keeping alive a system that was well and truly about keeping aristocracy and elitism alive and keeping people in their place.
I think this saga has fully highlighted the urgent need of that. We have wasted pages upon pages of threads and energy on she said and he said when the focus should have been in matters that actually impact the public, such as the abhorrent pay ‘rise’ that nurses are about to receive and that the teachers haven’t at all. It’s a bloody disgrace!

@2021ismyyear

I’m so cross at Meghan and Harry.

It’s international women’s day and they have taken over the news with this garbage. Very disappointing.

Also there’s the missing lady in London and that is all but forgotten with all this drama. They could have used this platform for good instead.

Meghan and Harry... you should be ashamed of yourselves you self absorbed idiots.

We are in a pandemic, a global crisis snd Harry is moaning about money. Mate, try losing your job after 20 years and being forced to get a job as a delivering driver to keep a roof over your head, whilst you try to homeschool your kids and not die of covid. Insensitive idiots.

You realise the reporting of this over anything else is on the media right? Harry isn't writing headlines for the Daily Mail

Quite possibly this interview is more for the US audience to enable them to strengthen their roots there and this is to help ingratiate them with the people there by way of explanation into their decision to move continents.

Agree

@2021ismyyear

I’m so cross at Meghan and Harry.

It’s international women’s day and they have taken over the news with this garbage. Very disappointing.

Also there’s the missing lady in London and that is all but forgotten with all this drama. They could have used this platform for good instead.

Meghan and Harry... you should be ashamed of yourselves you self absorbed idiots.

We are in a pandemic, a global crisis snd Harry is moaning about money. Mate, try losing your job after 20 years and being forced to get a job as a delivering driver to keep a roof over your head, whilst you try to homeschool your kids and not die of covid. Insensitive idiots.

Agree completely. They are so tone deaf as to wonder at their mental faculties. I think Harry bless him is not coming down with brains and in Meghan he met someone so confident and assertive he assumed there was something behind it, that she was bright and had good judgement. That worked out well for him.

@2021ismyyear

I’m so cross at Meghan and Harry.

It’s international women’s day and they have taken over the news with this garbage. Very disappointing.

Also there’s the missing lady in London and that is all but forgotten with all this drama. They could have used this platform for good instead.

Meghan and Harry... you should be ashamed of yourselves you self absorbed idiots.

We are in a pandemic, a global crisis snd Harry is moaning about money. Mate, try losing your job after 20 years and being forced to get a job as a delivering driver to keep a roof over your head, whilst you try to homeschool your kids and not die of covid. Insensitive idiots.

They don’t write the headlines. Write a complaint to the bbc (or whoever) to complain about the level of coverage compared to more important topics.

(Although I agree that a 36yr old millionaire talking about being financially cut off is a bit much)

2021ismyyear

Totally agree!! They time everything so perfectly don't they!?
I won't be watching tonight.

Why are Americans commentators slagging off the royal family and the very idea of monarchy? They’re not under a monarchy, why do they care so much about all this? Just loving an excuse to bash the old colonial masters I suppose. You’d have hoped for a tad more critical thinking but Americans have always been in thrall to celebrity.

I mean some of what Meghan said last night is just plain lies. She says not making Archie a prince was a break from protocol. Americans will lap this up. But it is not protocol to give him a title without intervention from the monarch and they are trying to slim down the monarchy to the core families. Everyone knows that.

I’m stunned she wants people knowing how badly she wanted her son to be a prince actually. Doesn’t really tie in with her humanitarian agenda surely.

'Because she was being bullied by her colleagues in the workplace. Her role is paid, albeit not in the same way.'

Oh so she approached the HR boss because she was been bullied? The quote I read said she was suicidal and approached the HR boss who said she couldn't help her. Surely she would then have been directed to her own private doctor but of course we'll never get the full story, in context.

If I were the HR boss I'd pursue it though because it does imply they left a suicidal person at great risk by allegedly saying 'they couldn't help them as they weren't staff'.

So Harry and Meg didn’t realise this would be front page news?! They knew what they were doing

Why was Oprah so agog at the notion that a man in his 30s who quits the family firm is finally cut off financially by his father. Her jaw dropped at that.

How can it be argued Meghan has a right to privacy from what her father wants published about her, when she herself is on global tv spilling private conversations in this manner and negating everyone else’s right to privacy?

This, in a nutshell. She can’t take it but she sure can dish it out...

'Why are Americans commentators slagging off the royal family and the very idea of monarchy?'

They've always been envious of the UK monarchy. Who can blame them when they have Trump then Biden as presidents .

They're just lapping up poor me Harry's stories. I'm not surprised his df stopped financially supporting him or taking his calls.

I’m stunned she wants people knowing how badly she wanted her son to be a prince actually. Doesn’t really tie in with her humanitarian agenda surely.

I think they are going for the angle re security was not going to be funded which America will judge.

If the whole idea of being part of the Royal family was so awful for Meghan (and I don’t for a second believe she didn’t know what she was getting into), then why not decide to take a giant step back before getting married (at huge cost)?
And with regards to the colour of Archies skin - if my white daughter was expecting a baby with her black husband there would definitely be a conversation about how the baby may look. The same way there would be a conversation about which traits it may inherit from each parent. Isn’t that normal??? It certainly was when I (very light blonde and blue eyed can be liken to a sloth) had my child with my (black haired brown eyed very sporty) ex!

@VanillaIce Spot on. Very disingenuous of the pair of them to claim Archie was not given a title because he is mixed race. They would have both know that he wasn't given the title as he was Great Grandson to the Monarch and that he would rightfully receive his title upon Charles acceding to the Throne.

I also imagine that by the time Archie was born, given the reports of the Times, the writing was very much on the wall that the pair of them would be leaving the Royal family and be looking to monetise their titles and the Royal family brand in the US. It would have been madness at that point to give Archie a title.

Why would they want Archie to have a title when in the next breath they said that Harry, William and Charles were all trapped in the Royal Family??

Sound to me like they were inclined to find offence in absolutely everything.