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Intrusive thoughts

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Mumtotwoxo · 03/03/2021 12:43

I have just had a baby 10 weeks ago. I was doing well apart from small panic attacks from my anxiety that I’ve suffered with for years. The other day out the blue I started having intense panic attacks where I can’t sleep and intrusive thoughts that are extremely scary and real. I feel like a bad mum. Has anyone suffered this too? Reached out to my gp and now referred to a MH nurse.

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jessstan2 · 26/03/2021 03:10

Yes, I had exactly the same. It started when my baby was three weeks old and always around 5pm, every day. It was horrible, frightening and very depressing. I had always had panic attacks and intrusive thoughts at times but it is ten times worse when you have a baby. I felt as though I needed somebody with me (& by nature I am independent and like being on my own so that was unusual), was so glad when husband arrived home from work at about 6.15pm most evenings. He was the only person (apart from MW), I told and then not the details which were too awful to articulate.

The midwife still called round occasionally and came one evening to find me sitting with husband, feeding my baby but with tears coursing down my face. I did tell her what I was experiencing and she said it was not unusual.

All I could do was tell myself that the thoughts were not real and would pass. I now know how to divert intrusive thoughts and panic attacks but didn't then and they were paralysing.

However it did pass after what seemed like a lifetime but wasn't really that long. Then I felt stronger and started to get back to 'normal'. Thank goodness.

I still remember those times and the memory is quite - sobering. When they cross my mind it is as if I am back there and I go very quiet. In my head I am screaming.

I never had another child; my fear was that next time it might be worse and beyond my control. I am thankful that I loved my child, there was no rejection, but I was afraid ....well, you can imagine. Eventually I made the decision to have no more children but enjoy what I already had to the full.

Good health, mental and physical, is so important and hormones being out of kilter after giving birth can cause many problems. It doesn't take much for some of us to go off balance and I am aware of how fragile I am in some respects so I protect myself. I have been very happy and loved bringing up my son so no regrets there. I generally don't talk about that period but it is there in my subconscious. I would always help anybody with similar difficulties, even if it was just sitting with them quietly, making a cup of tea. A gentle presence is comforting for anyone with such problems.

Diagnosis? Obviously post natal depression but in my case it bordered on psychosis for while, only bordered thankfully.

Build yourself up, good food, etc. Don't watch or read anything which might trigger your feelings. If you have kind relatives or friends who don't chat about nothing but will just sit alongside you for while, take advantage of them. It won't be for long. Welcome anything that makes life easier at the moment.

Deep breaths and try to relax. When this phase passes you will feel wonderful and grateful to be so much better; then you can move forward with your life.

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Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 06:50

@kirlali what medication are you on? X

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Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 06:50

@jessstan2 thank you for sharing. How did you function doing day to day activities with the thoughts and panic attacks there? X

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Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 07:18

@kirlali do you now not suffer from any of this?

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Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 07:41

@kirlali how long did it take you to come through it?

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jessstan2 · 26/03/2021 08:25

[quote Mumtotwoxo]@jessstan2 thank you for sharing. How did you function doing day to day activities with the thoughts and panic attacks there? X[/quote]
As I said, it didn't start until around 5pm. I was OK earlier on, dreaded the evening but each day I hoped it would be gone. When it was 'with me' I just went through the motions as if on automatic pilot but mainly sat with my baby until husband arrived home. It was so weird and scary, I kept telling myself, "This will pass, this will pass". When I managed to sleep at night for a while it intruded my dreams. I was utterly exhausted.

I did feel better after going back on the pill (I bled for about eight weeks after giving birth and that didn't help). Hormones are funny things and I don't mean funny 'ha ha'. It gradually went but the memory remains.

You will come through this, honestly.

Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 14:03

@jessstan2 I hope I get better - today and yesterday feel like such set backs but I'm determined to fight

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Mumtotwoxo · 26/03/2021 18:14

Has anyone taken Buspirone for anxiety before???

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jessstan2 · 27/03/2021 08:32

I haven't taken that but looking at possible side effects would put me off. It's better to try to live through it and not be on pills, frankly. However, some antihistamines have an anti-anxiety effect and will not cause you harm.

Mumtotwoxo · 27/03/2021 08:44

@TheLumpySofaCushion hello love are you still on this thread? X

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Caneloalvarez · 28/03/2021 12:35

Hello @Mumtotwoxo I have been thinking of you and hope you are ok today! Keep reminding yourself that this is a very gradual process and you won't even notice yourself getting better at first. But you will! And it's SO important to keep dismissing the thoughts and the questioning that comes with them.

Just wanted to mention that yes I definitely had headaches and felt dreadful physically when I had these thoughts. It's very draining and this has an impact on your body. Try to drink lots of water and eat little and often even if you're not hungry. I remeer when I first had panic attacks and anxiety i was convinced that it was a physical problem which made the anxiety worse! So again, just remind yourself it's just physical tension from the stress.

Mumtotwoxo · 28/03/2021 12:48

@Caneloalvarez aww I'm so glad you've reached out. The last few days have been hell. I never slept last night and this morning has just been pure dread and thoughts of going back to how I was. I feel it spiralling out of control again. Any tips on how to stop this?
Every time I try convince myself it's just thoughts and to stay calm I feel worse x

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Mumtotwoxo · 29/03/2021 19:11

Anyone available to chat?

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Caneloalvarez · 29/03/2021 19:30

@Mumtotwoxo hello I'm here! Sorry for the delay in replying to your last message. It's so so hard I know 😔 my only advice is just to keep going and keep believing that one day your brain will reset and go back to normal. Unfortunately there isn't a quick fix. I think this happens to is when we've had anxiety for a long time and our minds are exhausted. It will take a while for everything to heal, a bit like if you had several broken bones. They heal gradually until one day you realise you haven't felt a twinge! How are you today?

Mumtotwoxo · 30/03/2021 09:40

@Caneloalvarez I just feel like I'm constantly dipping rather than getting better. Panic attacks springing out of nowhere and making me avoid certain things which I'm trying so hard not to do. Did you have this? I've been given a higher dose of propranolol so hoping it takes the edge off slightly more - I just wish my mind would get better instead of constantly living with fear 😭 how are you today? X

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Caneloalvarez · 30/03/2021 19:14

@Mumtotwoxo don't lose hope, I know it feels like hell... Unfortunately the road to recovery doesn't just go steadily up, there will be many dips and "setbacks", days where you feel like you've made no progress. I remember feeling so disheartened and crying in desperation, just wanting it to go away. But looking back, I'm sure even the repetition in the bad days is what helped me to recover. Constantly dismissing the thoughts, even when you feel like that's not working, it is working subconsciously. Our brains need constant repetition to change the horrible little anxiety pathways. Sending you a big hug, remember tomorrow is another day!! Xxx

Mumtotwoxo · 31/03/2021 17:18

@Caneloalvarez forcing myself to go walks and eat dinner even though I don't want to. Did you feel this way?
I'm so nervous all day it's like it'll never go away, I wish it would stop.
How has your day been? X

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Caneloalvarez · 31/03/2021 23:44

@Mumtotwoxo yes I definitely felt this way. It feels like your autopilot setting has been disabled and everything becomes a huge task. I felt like I was trapped in a glass case if that makes sense?? Like I was unable to feel feel any of the fun and joy in the outside world, trapped with these horrible thoughts! But the key is to repeat, repeat, repeat. Repeat all your normal day to day tasks and eventually your brain will respond. Your mind thinks these thoughts are huge threats and it makes you produce a ton of adrenaline, which then causes more panic/thoughts. Just repeat and dismiss over and over. Even when it feels like it's not working, trust that eventually it will! Remember what I said about having blind faith that things will get better, even when your thoughts are saying otherwise 😊

Caneloalvarez · 01/04/2021 00:01

Here is an extract from the At Last A Life book, just wanted to share as this was what really helped me to change my outlook when I had been stuck for a long time in the anxiety/thoughts. I really can't recommend this book enough!

"Yes, sometimes I really felt like hiding away, but I never did. Sometimes I felt uncomfortable in certain situations, but I thought ‘so what, this is not me forever’. I knew deep down that putting myself in situations that I had avoided in the past would help me to recover. Avoidance just creates more problems and what was I actually avoiding anyway? It was nothing more than a feeling, a feeling that had once dominated my life. But I made the decision to no longer let it, and what a difference that had on my life. I am not saying I started running around like a headless chicken proving how strong I was, sometimes I felt so spent and tired I would just rest for a day. But in the main I just started socialising more. I went running, took the dog for a walk, went swimming and just began to live again. Yes, at first it was strange and sometimes I had to drag myself there, but I always went. Eventually I felt more and more comfortable and more and more at one with the world around me. I had stopped sitting at home brooding, hoping that a miracle would come along and rid me of how I was feeling."

I forgot to say, my day was ok, it was fairly warm here, my little one has just started to walk and is wobbling / tumbling everywhere 😅 so we took her to the park. She has her 1yr jabs tomorrow which I am dreading it, trying to keep those anxious thoughts in check!

Mumtotwoxo · 01/04/2021 08:36

@Caneloalvarez did you ever feel yourself heading back to the worst of your anxiety/panic attacks whilst you were in recovery?
Last night I couldn't sleep and just full of panic and fear that it's going to go back the way and I'll get worse. X

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Caneloalvarez · 01/04/2021 09:27

@Mumtotwoxo the key to recovery is to say to yourself, yes I may feel terrible and had a terrible night, but I'm not going to question it or wish for it to be gone. It really takes a longggg time for our brains to get this part, you need to find that rational part of your brain and make it louder than the panic and anxiety. It sounds like you're still very much questioning what's happening and wanting to know when it will get better. I understand why you're doing this, it totally sucks... But these are the type of questions that will keep it all going. Try saying to yourself, ok I feel terrible, it's understandable, I have suffered anxiety for a long time and my mind is exhausted. I'm just going to let the anxiety be here and not question it. It will feel so hard at first but this will gradually neutralise the anxiety.

When I was at my worst I was also scouring Google all the time to find someone that had the EXACT same thoughts as me, wanting to know whether other people recovered and how long it would take... When you feel your mind wanting answers, just try to sit with the anxiety. This might be hard to wrap your head around but something will click eventually (it did for me after months of googling and questioning).

Try to remind yourself not to question it all, it's actually OK to feel this way. Don't reject the anxiety, just let it be there with you, and have faith that it's temporary. This also takes the adrenaline levels down once you start doing this.

UnsureOfNC · 01/04/2021 09:31

Hi OP, i havent read the full thread sorry!!!! But recently i was diagnosed with OCD after experiencing the same symptoms. So far i've had some meds and just started EMDR therapy mixed with some CBT. I really hope things get better for you x

Mumtotwoxo · 01/04/2021 09:36

@Caneloalvarez yes I'm questioning when I'll get better and IF I'll get better. I'm trying to hard to train my brain not to do this but it can be so difficult especially when I'm running on broken/little sleep. My mind feels stuck in a rut and under pressure. X

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