The latest royal family drama

[Kinsters]

It's like a TV show. How embarrassing!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3

The latest is that Meghan is accused of bullying staff. Harry and Meghan then responded that Buckingham Palace was using the Times to peddle false stories/a smear campaign. So presumably the "leak" comes from Buckingham Palace/the Queen.

It's all so childish. Why can't they all just be grateful for the extremely cushy life that they have!

I'll be watching the Oprah interview. I think the royals never come across well in these kind of things. Like Andrew's awful interview...he's just so out of touch with reality. And I think that's a characteristic that Harry unfortunately shares with him.

It is interesting though that Meghan feels justified in speaking publicly with Oprah - her 'truth' about how badly she feels she has been treated. She has used the term 'bullying' herself. Yet when others speak their 'truth' which reflects badly on her it is a 'smear campaign'.

Why is her interview with Oprah not a 'smear campaign' then?

If you yourself go to the Queen of Chat Shows to complain about other people it can hardly be a shock when those people go to their own choice of provider to complain about you.

This is where most people exercise discretion.

Spot on @PretendSpeedGun.

Mockolate

H and M however are not prepared to do that . I suspect ( obviously no proof ) that M is driving the desire for interviews etc as she clearly has an axe to grind

You say yourself you're just wildly speculating (ie, no proof) so why even insinuate that?
Just wondering why you'd automatically go to M "having an axe to grind" (?) and "driving things?"
Why not Harry?
Or why not they're both wanting to speak out about how they were treated?

Before he met M , H made it known he would happily go and live in Africa - not exactly the show biz capital of the world. He also said that every time he heard a camera click , it reminded him of what his Mum went through .
Having said these things , is it not reasonable to assume that he desired a quiet, more private life ?
Like everyone else on this thread I am not privy to H and M’s private thoughts however I honestly don’t think H looks comfortable when he is doing video chats with M.

@Madasahattersteaparty1749

It is interesting being on different threads on here. I have been following Salmond vs Sturgeon Round 2 and the debate is there without too much mud slinging.

From what I have read

1. The emails are written proof that Jason Knauff FELT his staff were being bullied by Meghan. This is not proof that they were but he felt concerned enough to put in an official complaint.

1. This reflects badly on the RF HR as within this email he was said to have written: “I remain concerned that nothing will be done.”

Everything else is ‘sources’ and she said, he said.

It is absolutely lazy and typical that the retorts well at least he’s not a ‘peado’ etc. This is the behaviour my children resort to when being reprimanded but my sister did this. Just because someone else behaves badly doesn’t absolve them of their naughty behaviour.

Is it a culture clash, possibly, was Meghan actually bullying who knows, is it a smear campaign possibly maybe not directly by BP but by staff that feel their voices are not being heard.

Well said.

Agree @ PretendSpeedGun

Blimey. Holly Willoughby brought the subject of H&M up with Piers Morgan in the end. He's off on one now.

I know someone who was a nanny for Meghan and she left as she was being treated so badly so her

@Madasahattersteaparty1749 totally agree. I find these discussions so strange. I am not a hater of Harry & Meghan in any way. I find them fascinating. The have certainly livened up the Royal family.

I thought the wedding was incredible - a really high/peak for the Royal family. There was so much promise there. I thought Harry came across well on the recent James Corden interview.

They are not beyond criticism though. They are the author of such of their own misfortune. Yet any criticism gets immediately shut down by a seemingly hero worshiping fan base. Usually by either claiming it is racist, by reference to Andrew or by reference to Diana. In such a blinkered and hostile way.

He certainly is Sparkling.

Bit more deflated. Perhaps someone has pointed out to him he more and more comes across as an obsessive man when it comes to Harry's wife.

I find it very telling that a complaint was made about Meghan bullying staff less than 6 months after she married into the RF and what has transpired since.

Looks like she made her mark early on and it’s no wonder Kate didn’t want to go shopping with her.

I think there's a middle ground between 'criticising' and 'hero worshipping'.
It seems that any speaking up for H&M or questioning/ not going along with the 'they are terrible human beings' narrative sometimes on here there's accusations of gatekeeping, policing and trying to shut the conversation down. Which is policing in itself.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/piers-morgan-and-meghan-markle-went-to-the-pub-before-her-first-date-with-prince-harry-2017-11%3Famp

👆🏻What Piers Morgan said about Meghan before she ghosted him.

Morgan's main issue with Meghan is he wasn't invited to their wedding I think - he's an obsessive, manipulative classic abuser with his 'if you reject me I'll ruin you!' bullshit.

I imagine it was probably PH who warned Meghan about Piers Morgan - after all he was part of the circus which hounded his mother, PH KNOWS he can't be trusted.

I do find it weird how Morgan described their relationship,

"To cut a long story short, we then spent the next year trading funny messages, then she began emailing me the Suits episodes early."

I'd love to hear Meghan's take on this; he implies she was the driving force in their contact, i wonder how she'd describe it. I also wonder how PM's wife feels about his constant obsession with Meghan - if that was my DH I'd be seriously creeped out by it. Sad little man!

@PurpleHoodie

He certainly is Sparkling.

Bit more deflated. Perhaps someone has pointed out to him he more and more comes across as an obsessive man when it comes to Harry's wife.

He's making out he was dropped like a brick as soon as Harry came along, people could think that they were romantically involved which they weren't. He had his usual rant (yawn) but seemed pretty calm. He's had death threats but don't think because of what he's said about H&M.

We just need Kate to do a tell all with Anderson Cooper (joined of course by William for the second part) and this year will be complete

I wonder if this is an actual conspiracy by Netflix - Meghan is their plant to ensure many more years worth of drama to keep their ratings winner going.

Is it true that Oprah is annoyed that H did the interview with James Cordon?
Can there be much to say that they haven't already said on that or in previous interviews?

I also wonder how PM's wife feels about his constant obsession with Meghan - if that was my DH I'd be seriously creeped out by it

Yes, not sure PM would be thrilled if Celia was trading funny messages with an attractive male actor 16 years her junior...

@Roussette

You are correct ancientran. However, at the time as I understand it, some of the girls at Epstein's NY mansion were below the age of consent and they were groomed, procured and coerced. And one of them has sworn an affidavit that she was involved with PA How far he gets investigated will all depend on whether Ghislaine Maxwell does a plea deal. He case comes up this summer.

Yes I'm not saying the allegations aren't serious but I just think to use the insult "paedo" isn't appropriate as I haven't heard anything of that nature. If there are such allegations then fair enough call a spade a spade.

@VinylDetective Because it’s sheer hypocrisy. They’re playing Diana’s game of trying to use the media when it suits them and complaining about it when they don’t like the result. I can’t work out whether they’re disingenuous or stupid but if they really had a beef with the media attention they’d shut the fuck up, close their social media accounts and get on with their lives

I dont think they are able to predict what might happen. So they end up making mistakes. They thought that Harry wouldnt be stripped of his remaining titles. How did they manage to think that?

And like you say, they are not learning from past mistakes either.

Celia is fond of writing her own hate pieces about Harry and Meghan in the Telegraph - which can be construed as being on Pier's side or being wildly jealous

I think the bottom line is they feel entitled. And feel so entitled that they dont believe such and such will ever happen to them, or that so and so will say whatever.
My guess is that they are blindsided[again] by all the latest happenings.

@PretendSpeedGun

Celia is fond of writing her own hate pieces about Harry and Meghan in the Telegraph - which can be construed as being on Pier's side or being wildly jealous

Oh that's interesting. I bet it's fun in their house of an evening.

@PretendSpeedGun

It is interesting though that Meghan feels justified in speaking publicly with Oprah - her 'truth' about how badly she feels she has been treated. She has used the term 'bullying' herself. Yet when others speak their 'truth' which reflects badly on her it is a 'smear campaign'.

Why is her interview with Oprah not a 'smear campaign' then?

If you yourself go to the Queen of Chat Shows to complain about other people it can hardly be a shock when those people go to their own choice of provider to complain about you.

This is where most people exercise discretion.

I think that sums it up well.

I know someone who was a nanny for Meghan and she left as she was being treated so badly so her

So this is over in the US. This person you know was nanny to Archie?

I think the big problem is that we live in a country where we have this outdated system of someone being head of state by virtue of being born into a particular family, and members of that family are seen as deserving respect and privilege, while they use huge amounts of resources to live lavish lifestyles. I'd be respectful if H&M got actual jobs or did some volunteering, and led a more normal lifestyle, but they've basically monetised the fact that Harry was born into the royal family, like posh instagram influencers, while claiming they don't like being in the public eye.

or did some volunteering

They’ve been doing plenty. People clearly just zone out what they don’t want to see!