The latest royal family drama

[Kinsters]

It's like a TV show. How embarrassing!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3

The latest is that Meghan is accused of bullying staff. Harry and Meghan then responded that Buckingham Palace was using the Times to peddle false stories/a smear campaign. So presumably the "leak" comes from Buckingham Palace/the Queen.

It's all so childish. Why can't they all just be grateful for the extremely cushy life that they have!

I'll be watching the Oprah interview. I think the royals never come across well in these kind of things. Like Andrew's awful interview...he's just so out of touch with reality. And I think that's a characteristic that Harry unfortunately shares with him.

Never heard the throwing a cup of tea story either and I’m well up on media stirring.

Here you go...

Ffs 🤦‍♀️

@PicsInRed that's the thing though - the Times piece is not couched in those loose terms. It is very direct and factual. These are serious allegations if there is no truth to them them surely they will sue given their history.

That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about @rousette
The exact same types of stories, but Meghan put at a negative angle.
It's foul, and I don't see how people can't or won't see it.

@Mockolate

That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about *@rousette* The exact same types of stories, but Meghan put at a negative angle. It's foul, and I don't see how people can't or won't see it.

People can see it. Nobody has said ‘The reason I dislike MM is because she supports human trafficking by buying avacados’. The existence of these ridiculous headlines is used as a smokescreen for the real reasons people don’t like her, such as:

1. She lectures about inequality and poverty after choosing to join a hereditary Royal Family
2. She lectures about feminism after giving up her job and life to marry into royalty and take a title courtesy of her husband which she still uses.
3. She lectures about the environment while flying around on private jets.

Essentially she wants to tell other people what to do, while doing the precise opposite herself.

Kate has done these things too, but she doesn’t hypocritically lecture people about them.

There is also the objective fact that since Harry met her his family relationships and friendships have foundered, he has moved halfway across the world and given up the causes he supposedly cared about. This may or may not be Meghan’s ‘doing’, but if the sexes were reversed it would look dodgy in terms of control.

For those saying she didn’t ‘drag him away against his will’ etc, what about if a man isolated his wife from her family/friends (or it appeared that way)? Would you be saying the same thing, that she’s a grown woman and therefore cannot be manipulated?

She doesn't 'lecture' as such. She offers a viewpoint, her take on things. Much like say W&K do from within the RF whilst catching far more private jets and helicopters.

She certainly isn't 'telling me what to do'. I pick and choose what I want to listen to. As should others. Some good, some not so good.

What are you basing that she's isolating him from his family though?

@Ohthatsgreat

I also don't understand the opposite behaviour which seems to be blind determination to defend them whatever is said or written about them. I don't understand what they have done to earn their reputation as entirely blameless or faultless in the way the general public reacts to them

Agree.

It is possible to hold two views at the same time: 1. That Meghan has been treated badly in the U.K. press and 2. She could well be an unpleasant individual behind the scenes who did not treat her royal staffers well.

They aren’t even opposing views. Both can be true.

We only see the public view of any celebrity. I imagine most people who are successful in Hollywood/tv/films don’t get there by being a ‘nice’ person.

Absolutely this.

I know people love comparing the treatment of H&M and Prince Andrew, but I don’t see why they can’t see the obvious- PA has obviously taken the advice of a decent PR firm and agreed to stay quiet, lay low and thus the media have nothing to report on him. No family pictures released when his daughter got married, same when his first grandchild was born. He’s an odious little man, but he’s realised after that ridiculous interview that he can’t “win” this, so is waiting for it all to blow over and crossing his fingers his mate Maxwell doesn’t crack.

H&M on the other hand just don’t seem to be able to stop themselves. Slanging matches through the media, interviews and public statements. It’s no better than any of us plebs airing out our family’s dirty laundry on Facebook.

No one here comes out well- both the wider RF and H&M look so childish and out of touch. Why the fuck would I give a shit that Meghan was hard to work with when I haven’t seen my family in a year?

It’s not at all unusual for the RF to hypocritically lecture people on what they should be doing and do the opposite themselves. Charles is a last master at it. Wills is getting every bit as bad.

So I find it interesting that H&M are singled out for it time and time again. It really isn’t unusual royal behaviour.

There is also the objective fact that since Harry met her his family relationships and friendships have foundered

Family yes, but there are many potential reasons for that. Has he wholesale moved away from his friends? I hadn’t heard that.

and given up the causes he supposedly cared about.

What causes has he ‘given up’ rather than been told by the firm he can’t do any more?

@Roussette

She doesn't 'lecture' as such. She offers a viewpoint, her take on things. Much like say W&K do from within the RF whilst catching far more private jets and helicopters.

She certainly isn't 'telling me what to do'. I pick and choose what I want to listen to. As should others. Some good, some not so good.

I don't know about Meghan but Harry does lecture. Like that speech he gave at some save the environment schmooze fest that he went to...on his private jet...

We've all got to do our bit or something like that. Not sure what bit he's doing though.

I’m still not over W&K taking a helicopter trip to visit a melting glacier to alert us to climate change!!!

@Roussette

She doesn't 'lecture' as such. She offers a viewpoint, her take on things. Much like say W&K do from within the RF whilst catching far more private jets and helicopters.

She certainly isn't 'telling me what to do'. I pick and choose what I want to listen to. As should others. Some good, some not so good.

No, we are on here offering a viewpoint (which you are objecting to!). She is making money easily, and in huge quantities, by ‘advocating’ for these causes. Therefore she is lecturing people professionally.

Nobody like a hypocrite, even less one that clearly expects the little people to do what they say.

The important question for me is 'Were the Palace staff bullied?'

Right question but wrong tense, Derxa - after all there have been enough previous accounts of staff facing royal tantrums

Really, though, I'm just here for the deletion message ...

Has there been a tell all/putting their side across interview by a senior member of the royal family that has gone well for the person interviewed yet? I can’t think of one and in my (admittedly perhaps limited memory) they just seem to have caused more and more damage for the person concerned (Charles’ interview wasn’t as bad as Diana’s which wasn’t as bad as Andrew’s...).

It just all seems a very undignified and public slanging match by a family that many look up to and admire. A family who really should have learnt better from the vast previous experience it has.

And let's please be specific on this. Andrew has not been stripped of his military honours, titles and military patronages (Commander-in-Chief, Colonel-in-Chief and so on).

Harry has been stripped of them all. For protecting his family. A tad unfair maybe?

@TheKeatingFive

I’m still not over W&K taking a helicopter trip to visit a melting glacier to alert us to climate change!!!

This glacier was in Pakistan, right? They live in the UK. Should they have walked? Pushbiked?

Wondermule
Seriously.... where have I said I object to your viewpoint? I haven't. Anyone can give a viewpoint and I am allowed to disagree if I want. Please don't say I'm objecting to others' viewpoints because that is not true.

You need to read the tales about Haz on Blind Gossip. You may change your mind

Should they have walked?

Of course not. But considered the appropriateness of them travelling to ‘raise awareness’

As for were the Palace staff being bullied, there is no reason that they couldn’t have been bullied/feel they were (and perhaps others felt so as well) but at the same time Meghan could have felt bullied by others. It’s still not acceptable to treat others in that way and arguably even more so when you are speaking out about finding the bullying towards you so untenable that you cannot remain as a working senior royal.

I also don’t understand why it is seen as a smear campaign for the Palace to put their side forward, when putting their side forward is exactly what Harry and Meghan are being billed to do next week.

Finally, does anyone disagree about Andrew? I see him constantly compared and I never see anyone defending him although some of the reasons the H&M defenders give should also apply to him. And why is everything focused on what Andrew did? What about Bill Clinton, Donald Trump etc etc...?

@Roussette

And let's please be specific on this. Andrew has not been stripped of his military honours, titles and military patronages (Commander-in-Chief, Colonel-in-Chief and so on). Harry has been stripped of them all. For protecting his family. A tad unfair maybe?

Yes, unfair given the disrepute Andrew has brought to the organisation. He absolutely should’ve been stripped of his.

But in Harry’s case, he’s effectively resigned his job and now moaning that he didn’t get to keep the perks. Like if one of us left our job and had to hand back the company car and private health insurance.

@Roussette

And let's please be specific on this. Andrew has not been stripped of his military honours, titles and military patronages (Commander-in-Chief, Colonel-in-Chief and so on). Harry has been stripped of them all. For protecting his family. A tad unfair maybe?

Yet. The Andrew saga is far from over.

Harry has had to surrender the perks that go with being a working senior royal because he resigned the job. It’s a bit like having to give your company car back.

Blind Gossip? 🤣😂🤣
Tales is what it is!

Vinyl and Andrew is a non working Royal just the same but he was pushed as opposed to resigning. But still has all that I mentioned.