Prince Philip

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Just head that Prince Charles has been to visit him in hospital due to ‘exceptional circumstances’. He’s never visited him in hospital before and apparently left looking emotional. It doesn’t look good does it? I wonder how this will play out given the pandemic?

oh bless him. There's been no real updates since he went in. Hope he's OK and the Queen isn't too stressed out by it all. I can't imagine what it's like for her not to be able to be with him. It's been a terrible time for anyone who has a sick loved one.

@DobbyTheHouseElk

It won't be an emergency. He will be having use of specialist equipment that the King Edward may not have, or be having another op on his stent.

I don’t think I said he was on emergency. I was explaining that for some reasons people do move hospitals.

Unfortunately, private hospitals do not have an A&E dept. So in case of emergency they have to call 999 for an ambulance

You said this. Clearly inferring it was an emergency.

If it's not about PP why bother to write it?

@LoveYourUsername

(Not for the first time) a member of the Royal family has been removed from a private hospital, to an NHS one, because that's where the best medical expertise is.

That's too simplistic. The King Edward V11 has very good facilities including ICU.

Also, most consultants move around hospitals and work at more than one.

They might not have the specialist care team though. Barr’s is a renown cardiac centre, so it won’t be just the consultants who are cardiac specialists, it will be the nursing staff as well.

I really wasn’t inferring anything. Sorry I didn’t know this was such a strict thread.

@SilverBirchWithout

It’s probably a UTI associated with the bladder issues he seems to have regularly - I guess as a result of the previous prostate (?removal) concerns. It’s not uncommon to require either a long term catheter or an active manual urination device after prostate removal - and these activities obviously often lead to UTIs.

An infection could also be pneumonia - not uncommon in the very elderly - also known as ‘the old man’s friend’.

Personally I think it’s more likely to be the former given his medical history, and the reluctance to provide more information about his medical conditions. Obviously UTIs can be a cause of concern for someone so elderly, and being prone in bed for an extended period of time could lead to pneumonia developing as well.

Although he has had his Covid vaccine it only provides a certain level of security in someone of his age, there is also a very slim chance he has been infected whilst in hospital. This obviously would be a major news story and would be suppressed because of the serious ramifications in public trust of the vaccine - although no one has promised 100% immunity with the vaccine, a high-profile case would be a nightmare in terms of public health.

Anybody who has ever experienced what it is like to have Pneumonia (as I have) would very likely disagree about it being anybody's friend. It's incredibly painful, terrifying and can give you flashbacks years later. In days before there was so much access to pain relief and palliative medicine, perhaps it was better than being left to die of cancer for months/years, but it's not a kindness of nature.

There's a reason why waterboarding is used as a form of torture.

[quote LoveYourUsername]@RickiTarr The hospital is in a street in central London.

He was not brought out of the front door. He came out of the mews (back entrance which is not used normally) tucked away around the corner. It's set back several yards from the street, but the press are hanging out like vultures and will be using buildings opposite I suspect, and leaning out of windows.

I don't see what is wrong with using umbrellas. They did the job.[/quote]
Nothing wrong with brollies yes they did the job. But the previous poster and I would both have expected some sort pull out tunnel providing both shelter from the rain as well as privacy from cameras.

It would be a shame for this thread to get zapped. It was closed for a while before.

I think it’s really important to be able to talk about this. I certainly hope everything turns out ok. I feel so sad for HMQ. She hasn’t had a good year. I have utmost respect for her.

I think I read today that she is wearing a piece of jewellery given to her by PP on their engagement. She wants us to know she’s thinking of him.

@RickiTarr The hospital is in a street in central London.

Heh. Yes I’m familiar.

It's set back several yards from the street, but the press are hanging out like vultures and will be using buildings opposite I suspect, and leaning out of windows.

Yes, also aware and that’s what I most disapprove of.

Anybody who has ever experienced what it is like to have Pneumonia (as I have) would very likely disagree about it being anybody's friend. It's incredibly painful, terrifying and can give you flashbacks years later.

Sorry I have to disagree. I was ended up in HDU, no idea how ill I was, breathless but not in pain. I've felt worse with the cold.

I'd spoke to a colleague who would have come for me if my family wasn't visiting. Family arrived and called for help. My colleague said later I sounded like his mother hours before she died.

I suspect it wasn't Prince Philip under the umbrellas anyway. It could well have been a decoy.

@EnoughnowIthink

oh bless him. There's been no real updates since he went in. Hope he's OK and the Queen isn't too stressed out by it all. I can't imagine what it's like for her not to be able to be with him. It's been a terrible time for anyone who has a sick loved one.

In fairness, I expect he is a terribly irascible patient and giving him space is probably the lesser of the two evils.

[quote thetell]@stairway Why? I can't imagine Meghan has much sympathy for the overtly racist & sexist members of the royal family she had to endure or the ones who appear to be pedophiles either (not yet proved.) She doesn't have to any more.[/quote]
Maybe because it isn't really a good look to be rushing to do a "Poor us" interview when your husband's grandfather is seriously ill?

@Nith

I suspect it wasn't Prince Philip under the umbrellas anyway. It could well have been a decoy.

I thought that, but then wondered if they’d use an ambulance as a decoy.

[quote thetell]@stairway Why? I can't imagine Meghan has much sympathy for the overtly racist & sexist members of the royal family she had to endure or the ones who appear to be pedophiles either (not yet proved.) She doesn't have to any more.[/quote]
Prince Philip has spent 70 years walking 2/3 steps behind the queen. Princess Anne’s husband the same. I think It’s about the royal person not their sex.

And yes I don’t blame her for not wanting to be near Andrew but he’s not been found guilty of anything yet. And what he allegedly did isn’t paedophilia - the allegations relate to older girls.

• LoveYourUsername

(Not for the first time) a member of the Royal family has been removed from a private hospital, to an NHS one, because that's where the best medical expertise is*.

That's too simplistic. The King Edward V11 has very good facilities including ICU.

Also, most consultants move around hospitals and work at more than one.

They might not have the specialist care team though. Barr’s is a renown cardiac centre, so it won’t be just the consultants who are cardiac specialists, it will be the nursing staff as well.*

This is correct. I know King Eds quite well (work in private medicine) - there is no specialist cardiac care there so it lacks a lot of cardiac facilities. It is a small hospital. Also correct, a lot of the private consultants that work there will also be contracted to do a certain number of NHS sessions per week at NHS hospitals like Barts, so likelihood is that whichever cardiologist who has seen Prince Philip privately at King Eds will also be in charge of the cardiology team looking after him at Barts.

I thought that, but then wondered if they’d use an ambulance as a decoy

It'll be noticeable that he's in St Barts (perhaps not publicised in the media, but staff will know) and if he isn't then the fall out from the false story would be considerable, and to what benefit?

Occam's Razor puts him as the one screened from press cameras during transfer, on the day and at the time of the announced transfer.

I just hope that the security around him is not too much of an buggeration for an NHS hospital at the moment.

I hope he was sticking two fingers up to them.

Absolutely. 'There's life in the old dog yet.'

Maybe because it isn't really a good look to be rushing to do a "Poor us" interview when your husband's grandfather is seriously ill?

Hang on, we don't know how unwell he is - I mean clearly something is up, but we have no reason to think he in in a particularly bad way

But yes, circumstances aren't working in favour of broadcasting their interview around now. But I doubt they have the influence to change it, even if DofEd continues in Barts

In fact I suspect that to CBS, it makes for an even more powerful broadcast slot, even if it throws the two of them under the bus

@mrsjoyfulprizeforraffiawork

* LoveYourUsername

(Not for the first time) a member of the Royal family has been removed from a private hospital, to an NHS one, because that's where the best medical expertise is*.

That's too simplistic. The King Edward V11 has very good facilities including ICU.

Also, most consultants move around hospitals and work at more than one.

They might not have the specialist care team though. Barr’s is a renown cardiac centre, so it won’t be just the consultants who are cardiac specialists, it will be the nursing staff as well.*

This is correct. I know King Eds quite well (work in private medicine) - there is no specialist cardiac care there so it lacks a lot of cardiac facilities. It is a small hospital. Also correct, a lot of the private consultants that work there will also be contracted to do a certain number of NHS sessions per week at NHS hospitals like Barts, so likelihood is that whichever cardiologist who has seen Prince Philip privately at King Eds will also be in charge of the cardiology team looking after him at Barts.

Yes, I agree.

I said they had ICU but when it's the RF I suspect they are making absolutely sure that they have all the best team on hand 24/7 in case needed.

I know the KE very well too.

It'll be noticeable that he's in St Barts (perhaps not publicised in the media, but staff will know) and if he isn't then the fall out from the false story would be considerable, and to what benefit?

Occam's Razor puts him as the one screened from press cameras during transfer, on the day and at the time of the announced transfer.

Oh, I think it's a virtual certainty that he's there. It's just that he didn't necessarily travel in the ambulance that the Press were all busy photographing.

'Barts is not a private hospital; it;s a public NHS hospital.'

Yes we know that. The brolly thing was as he left the private one.

'honestly don't want to get into speculation here, but it seems safe to assume a hospital which deals with some very high profile people will have screens to use if they choose - after all if hotels can do it I'm pretty sure a private hospital can'

Well a private drive in transfer bay or similar then if wheeling out screens is too time consuming. A row of umbrellas just seemed so amateurish and ridiculous. Come on private hospitals get your arses in gear. Can't be the first time a famous person has needed a transfer 🙄

Hang on, we don't know how unwell he is - I mean clearly something is up, but we have no reason to think he in in a particularly bad way

He's 99, he's had heart problems for years, he's been in hospital for much longer than he has ever been before, and is being moved to a specialist unit. It's unlikely that he's got a bit of a sniffle, isn't it?

'Barts is not a private hospital; it;s a public NHS hospital.'

My goodness this thread is becoming some kind of “bloody obvious” society.

We do all understand the basics, I think.

Two hospitals.
One private.
One NHS.
On streets.
In London.
Ambulance transfer.
Press outside.
Decoy vehicle doesn’t mean different destination.

Sorted.

St Barts offers private healthcare especially cardiac care. Perhaps they have an agreement with the King Edward VII.