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Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Standrewsschool · 14/02/2021 19:43

Wishing them all the best

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Roussette · 20/02/2021 20:53

'here'. Not 'hear'.

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derxa · 20/02/2021 21:04

(eg Gates foundation investing billions in toilets and sewerage, hardly sexy or woke). Or promoting lab grown meat Yuck

ARoseDowntown · 20/02/2021 21:13

@derxa

(eg Gates foundation investing billions in toilets and sewerage, hardly sexy or woke). Or promoting lab grown meat Yuck
Agree, it sounds gruesome! But, presumably a bid to check climate change.

Bill Gates not the most shining example of a selfless human, given his penchant for private planes. On balance, he’s probably contributed more than he’s taken though, I think. Don’t know.

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derxa · 20/02/2021 21:41

Agree, it sounds gruesome! But, presumably a bid to check climate change.Bill Gates not the most shining example of a selfless human, given his penchant for private planes. On balance, he’s probably contributed more than he’s taken though, I think. Don’t know.
We don't have the horrendous feed lots here in the Uk. I get so fed up with it.

Cacacoisfarraige · 20/02/2021 23:44

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minou123 · 21/02/2021 00:14

Didn’t something similar happen at a garden party at Highgrove where she was overhead complaining she was bored and wanted to go ? She was marched out pretty quickly by Camilla and Charles ?

That was Lady Colin Campbell who made that up.
It was completely debunked.
Even the Daily Mail said it was false and did not happen!

It comes to something when even the Daily Fail say that story is a load of old shit Grin

Sidewalksue · 21/02/2021 01:13

Can you be a philanthropist if you aren’t super wealthy (not just living on hand me down money?).

Sittinbythetree · 21/02/2021 08:33

Sidewalk - I agree that they’re not anywhere near rich enough to be philanthropists. Philanthropists generally do their giving in a low key way too.

Coronateachingagain · 21/02/2021 14:12

The problem with that reply from the Duke and the Duchess is that they are saying to the Queen, I want to keep the gig and I don't need to be associated with you, the RF or follow the rules of the monarchy to do it. I can do the same "service" without you.

But they miss a subtle but important point. They are implying that service is what the RF do and he can do, but he is ignoring that it goes beyond him, and them, that the Queen is part of the system here and it is more about what she represents and less about the individual limelight she gets (and that they would love to replicate in their own terms). The Queen's job and RF is also to keep the country together and going, not only to open hospitals and have zoom calls with the NHS front line. There is a mission behind that that goes beyond philanthropy or charity.

You can forgive an American actress for missing the point, after all she only had 3 or 4 years of proper exposure to the UK culture and system and no preparatory education or help on it like for instance Maxima of Holland had before marrying. But you cannot forgive him. He should have understood what he was part of. He should have understood the bigger picture of his country. But either he lost control or he never learnt or understood. The Palace will have taken note of this fact and best to cut your loses now. On top of going away, their PR team is reckless so not much of a choice really.

TheLaughingGenome · 21/02/2021 14:26

It seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding.

M&H: But anyone can do charity work.

Queen: However, only members of the Royal Family can carry out charity work as members of the Royal Family

M&H: Yeah but, anyone and everyone can do good works.

Queen:

Motherdare · 21/02/2021 15:19

It was a thoroughly childish response. They seem determined to be graceless in every situation, as if they enjoy rubbing people up the wrong way. Two spoiled brats who can’t believe they didn’t get their own way. I agree with the pp, she can be forgiven for not understanding the role. He knows better.

Lochmorlich · 23/02/2021 07:21

I felt H&M were given a rough ride by the press and were targets of racism.
However, I think the career they are determined to carve out along the lines of inspiring,challenging and educating is born of a desire to make themselves relevant.
Imo they are no longer relevant certainly in the UK. In the US it will depend on how long they're held in awe.
I suspect they will soon be seen as mundane and Prince Charles will be helping to keep his adult son for many years.

I wish them well but I think they need to hone a few skills and earn some money without relying on their title.
How many Oprah's can they do?

MissFlite · 23/02/2021 13:45

I'm not too fussed what they do, each to their own, although I think the manner of going about it has been questionable.
But I can't work out what it is they are doing, exactly?

The podcast thing...maybe I'm just old but I read this quote about three times and still can't quite grasp what he's on about.

Harry adds: “The biggest part of this is trying to create this community of where you can share (and) encourage everybody else to then share their own vulnerabilities within that safe space.”

It's a chat-show then, right?

Motherdare · 23/02/2021 18:05

They talk a lot of twaddle. There’s a whole vocabulary of nothingness that this sort of celebrity engages in. They talk of “making a difference, enabling your authenticity, being all you can be, widening the consciousness etc”. In reality this requires you to type these phrases Instagram and “voila” you’ve done your share of woke for the day.

ARoseDowntown · 23/02/2021 19:04

If there was no money in it, they wouldn’t be doing it.

Lovethesun100 · 23/02/2021 19:28

@Lochmorlich

I felt H&M were given a rough ride by the press and were targets of racism. However, I think the career they are determined to carve out along the lines of inspiring,challenging and educating is born of a desire to make themselves relevant. Imo they are no longer relevant certainly in the UK. In the US it will depend on how long they're held in awe. I suspect they will soon be seen as mundane and Prince Charles will be helping to keep his adult son for many years.

I wish them well but I think they need to hone a few skills and earn some money without relying on their title.
How many Oprah's can they do?

"How many Oprah's can they do ?" This /\
Lovethesun100 · 23/02/2021 19:29

@MissFlite

I'm not too fussed what they do, each to their own, although I think the manner of going about it has been questionable. But I can't work out what it is they are doing, exactly?

The podcast thing...maybe I'm just old but I read this quote about three times and still can't quite grasp what he's on about.

Harry adds: “The biggest part of this is trying to create this community of where you can share (and) encourage everybody else to then share their own vulnerabilities within that safe space.”

It's a chat-show then, right?

"Harry adds: “The biggest part of this is trying to create this community of where you can share (and) encourage everybody else to then share their own vulnerabilities within that safe space.”" So a bit like Mumsnet then ? Smile
C130 · 23/02/2021 19:54

@Motherdare

They talk a lot of twaddle. There’s a whole vocabulary of nothingness that this sort of celebrity engages in. They talk of “making a difference, enabling your authenticity, being all you can be, widening the consciousness etc”. In reality this requires you to type these phrases Instagram and “voila” you’ve done your share of woke for the day.
Sounds like you spend a lot of time listening to them. There are steps you can take so that does not happen.
LetMeBubble · 24/02/2021 10:37

I just realised when coming back to this thread that I spent a lot of time defending them on here but haven’t even heard their speech and I feel like it’s not something I’m keen on doing either.. it’s weird that most of their haters are following them so attentively, while I’m the one accused of being a fan girl !

I genuinely have no interest in them as people or the royal family for that matter.. it’s nice to hear some good news on life events like babies being made and weddings. A little bit of fairytale fun. But any deeper than that, it’s just really not interesting.

What for? Do I feel like they have a sense of obligation to uphold the tradition of this country for my sake? Hmm how old fashioned.

But I believe every human being needs to be treated with decency.

It is also a bit amusing to watch and learn how modernity (aka Harry and Meghan) clashes with tradition (aka royal family), and how it can be exploited by those looking for gossip (aka media).

Modernity should win over tradition where it is morally correct. Tradition should win over modernity where it’s morally correct.

What happens if the moral fabric for both is totally different though?? And they never end up seeing eye to eye?

And what happens when external people are looking to escalate those conflicts.. in order to exploit it and gain from it some of the attention??

I’m taking notes so i can use those events as examples for my kids about philosophy of life !

Popcorn anyone ?

StartupRepair · 24/02/2021 10:54

The problem for H and M is that they are simultaneously trying to be self supporting, ie make lots of $ to fund a high end lifestyle and also launching a vehicle to bring in money for charity. It's confusing.

Coronateachingagain · 24/02/2021 11:18

@StartupRepair I agree and that is exactly how their business is set up. They call it a "Foundation" and refer to charitable work, but in reality Archewell is a business with a "Foundation" arm (whatever that means from a profit or non profit perspective) that is very well used as a marketing tool. The marketing and PR department. Too keep it rolling.
So make no mistake, they are running a business first and foremost.

PretendSpeedGun · 24/02/2021 11:34

They seem to have a complete inability to 'read the room'. Or maybe there is a massive audience for this type of thing in the US. Most celebs and multi-millionaires have cottoned on that this is not the appropriate moment to complain about their lot in life.

Yet they choose now, when Philip is in hospital, the UK is still in the midst of a severe lockdown, California is on its knees with Covid - to do an Oprah tell all about complaining about life in the Royal family.

I can only think they realise that their time in the sun as ex-Royals is limited. If they want to re-brand as A-listers, philanthropists or politicians then they need to seize the day.

Mockolate · 24/02/2021 11:45

Yet they choose now, when Philip is in hospital, the UK is still in the midst of a severe lockdown, California is on its knees with Covid - to do an Oprah tell all about complaining about life in the Royal family.

Phillip's literally only just gone into hospital a few days ago - you can't possibly be beating them with that stick, surely they decided to do the interview before he became ill and had to go to hospital?!

Paquerette · 24/02/2021 11:59

[quote Coronateachingagain]@StartupRepair I agree and that is exactly how their business is set up. They call it a "Foundation" and refer to charitable work, but in reality Archewell is a business with a "Foundation" arm (whatever that means from a profit or non profit perspective) that is very well used as a marketing tool. The marketing and PR department. Too keep it rolling.
So make no mistake, they are running a business first and foremost.[/quote]
This.

I have no idea if the percentage is the same, but their Sussex Royal venture was going to donate 10% of net profit to charity.

Lochmorlich · 24/02/2021 12:04

@Paquerette yes. And we all know net profit depends on what the business pay themselves first.