Can white people ever experience racism?

[LittleRedCourgettes]

Following a discussion on this topic with some students, I was reading this article and am interested to hear your honest thoughts on this question.....

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/wherediddwegetttheideaathatonlyywhitepeopleecanbeeracist

@Coldasfish
Maybe the fact that you call the BLM movement moronic might be part of the reason people may not open up to you about their background. People in general can suss out those attitudes.

The IQ level of this site seems to be in free fall.

I think this has been a really useful thread and if it descends into piling on to each other it might be removed so can we just carry on discussing respectfully if possible?

@woodhill

Yes a better way to describe it. White privilege is a really irritating phrase

It is badly named and warrants some push back. I’m Chinese ethnicity and so for me, I see for a fact I have Asian privilege when I’m in China visiting family. And then notice the loss here at home in France. This privilege is real and exists but it is so badly named...my Asian privilege isn’t really “Asian” but through me being Han ethnicity within China, which is the majority ethnicity. Obviously a Indian person in China would have zero Asian privilege and I’d have zero Asian privilege in India too. I think white people see “white privilege” and react the same way...because there is no one ethnic group of white people so you can be white in a white country and still not have the kind of privilege the sociologists are describing when they came up with the term.

@PlanDeRaccordement

Your posts make a lot of sense.

@Coldasfish
I’m reporting a few of your posts because it seems you have no interest in discussion but only in saying outrageous and offensive things.

@Coldasfish

Tell me how I am privileged instead of just using what you think is a "big word" to sound intelligent. (Your posts really suggest a closed mind- typical of a low functioning one)

It’s not my job to educate you. Coming from a mixed family myself white privilege exists. No my white side of the family have NEVER said racist things to me either. It’s not that I am not proud of where I am from it’s the assumption someone running down the corridor at work saying do you speak..... the assumption was my SKIN TONE. I said no. They asked again. I’m not embarrassed however it’s easy to shout “be proud” your not wrong. However unless someone is saying those things things to you don’t speak on it and then tell me I should be “proud”. Did I ever tell you I am not proud to be British?

Hettya You seem very invested in this. I’m a mathematician and am quite clear on the data
Are you?

Yes. As it happens.

Although in all honesty it seems as though it's you that is very invested in this. I'm simply responding to some of your opinions, on a public forum.

@Coldasfish

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Did Floyds previous actions warrant the police to abuse their jobs? They are worse than Floys because the police have a duty to for fill imagine what mess we would be in if we all thought we was above the law. I don’t grudge you for not wanting to kneel.

Your comment is shocking though that you feel it was OK for the police to do what they did!

@Coldasfish
No one deserves to be murdered on the street by police.

@HmmSureJan

I think this has been a really useful thread and if it descends into piling on to each other it might be removed so can we just carry on discussing respectfully if possible?

Totally agree, apart from anything else racism is mostly imo down to lack of understanding and education, with fear maybe resentment and jealousy too.

I say the latter because personally I've experienced more than one group of people change their tune when they realised that we paid our bills the same as anyone else. We pay tax, household bills, rents and mortgages, council tax, etc.
We are a very clean race, the women scrub the vans daily and everything gleams, ask any health visitor or midwife who visits.
Yet, we are called, lazy, dirty scroungers.

Coldasfish, really, that's not on.

@Coldasfish

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Nobody said white privilege are racists. However there’s been a few denying white privileged and that is the problem.

@HmmSureJan
Thank you. I’ve been liking your posts as well.

I agree this thread has been really good, sometimes you can lose the woods for the trees and it’s important that these things are discussed. I’m not a supporter of the BLM in its entirety but the basic principle of needing to publicly support each other to eradicate systematic racism is worthy and has my full support. But sometimes you can lose the individual experiences of racism that can happen to all people of all ethnicities and I think it’s so important to keep these in sight and fight against these too.

@Summersummer22 I understand your frustration but the people who do not agree with the existence of white privilege it is likely because they don’t feel they have benefitted (FWIW I do know this is a reality and worse in some areas of the U.K.). It’s like two people go for a walk, one gets an unjustifiable fine from the police and yet the person who is blamed is the person who didn’t get fined and all the energy is put into making that person feel like they are in the wrong when it is the police (or the systems) that are wrong. It just seems really badly thought out to me and pushes people farther apart.

BLM was born of the experience of black lives as being treated as lesser by the police and judicial system. That is an experience that most people fortunately don’t have experience of. It is worse in the States but we are not immune. The recent MGS case is a clear example.
Cressida Dick is still in position after Charles de Menenez was shot. ( He was brown skinned walking out of a building with hundreds of residents. That was enough of an identification).
In the case of the MGS pupils, they stabbed a teenager to death. They were white though.

Blackberrycream

The problem with BLM isn't the concept/original premise, its that it has been hijacked by others and has lost some of its meaning.

@Blackberrycream
BLM was born of the experience of black lives as being treated as lesser by the police and judicial system. That is an experience that most people fortunately don’t have experience of. It is worse in the States but we are not immune.

That is my understanding too. I was happy to read that the London Met police relaxed their residency requirement for recruitment in an effort to hire a more diverse police force. As part of their efforts to correct the systematic racism that comes from having a mono-ethnic workforce. It seems a step in the right direction. Obviously it’s just one straw in a hay stack of changes needed, but thought I’d ask if you’d seen that news too.