Can white people ever experience racism?

[LittleRedCourgettes]

Following a discussion on this topic with some students, I was reading this article and am interested to hear your honest thoughts on this question.....

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/wherediddwegetttheideaathatonlyywhitepeopleecanbeeracist

Because it doesn't sound like you really have done much research about it apart from a 5 second google search, and there's a lot more to it than what you have surmised from that.

@Lifeinaonesie

Yes, I've had to sit and bite my tongue while with students who have sat discussing how all white women are whores and sluts.

Why would you sit and bite your tongue? That type of blatant misogyny needs calling out every time until people start getting the picture.

I've had a colleague tell me to keep my filthy whit hands off them (stopping them from punching another white female colleague - both racist against white people and a misogynist, lovely combination)

So yes of course there can be racism against any race including white.

I do not pretend that this one-off situation is a 'we can all have racism against us' card. It was unpleasant on the day but not something I would expect to happen again to a white person in the UK, unlike a lot of other racism.

@Hettia So what is it? Not asking for a dissertation on the subject, just something more than 'you know nuffin, Jon Snow'

@Mandalakia

Ok, then I guess it's the claim that blm is actually a Marxist movement and a Co-founder has ties to a Chinese communist group?

I have read about that. My conclusion was that it was a wonderful piece of disinformation that the right wing media used to discredit blm. Ask the average supporter of blm if they have communist ambitions and I very much doubt they will. I'm not saying the movement as a whole is perfect, of course its open to corruption, hidden agendas, etc. But I wouldn't discredit the whole of blm and critical race theory because of an unproven claim in the right wing media.

I can’t remember the full list of policies now, but I think most people who agree with the statement “Black lives matter” would not also agree with proposals to “defund” the police.

So that leaves you with a lot of anti-racists who agree with the sentiment that “black lives matter” (and would like a charity or similar to follow/fund) but cannot support the organisation “black lives matter” because it has an extremist agenda.

Sorry, I'm not here to do your research for you, to bring back for you to accept or reject, thus derailing the thread. If you were really interested, you would go and find out what you could about it, like I have spend the last year or so doing.🤷‍♀️

@Mandalakia

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,”

This was the full quote. It sounds more like she is educated on political and ideological movements and used her knowledge to build the blm movement. Not that she's plotting a communist take over.

Seriously? You thought that “we are trained Marxists” meant “we have studied political history and a range of ideologies”?

Who “trains” people to actually be Marxists?Not university politics departments or history books.

It’s more like something 1970s terrorist ground would say as they hijack an aircraft.

Unpleasantness because of their race perhaps, racism no

@Mandalakia sounds like you want to be spoon fed tbh. I've pointed you in the right direction, go and do some reading and use it for form your own opinions like everyone else has to. It's far too lengthy and complex to explain in a few posts and I admit I probably wouldn't do a decent job of it. I'm relatively new to it myself. If you can't be bothered to do your own research then don't but think about this statement "we are trained Marxists" without wanting to be rude to you wtf do you think that actually means? It's as plain as the nose on your face, yet you keep asking for explanations.

Research the origins of CRT, if you can be bothered, alongside that, look at identity politics and social justice theory overall. Make you sure you also look at Antifa and why the riots in the US happened and are continuing despite Biden being elected.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore as I am not convinced you're posting in good faith because if I were you and someone had raised these points I would make it my own business to go and find out more not expect everyone else to lead me by the nose to it, I know this because that's what I actually did.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore as I am not convinced you're posting in good faith because if I were you and someone had raised these points I would make it my own business to go and find out more not expect everyone else to lead me by the nose to it, I know this because that's what I actually did.

Yep. This.

@Gwenhwyfar

"The Scottish people and the English people are not a race, you idiot! That is why."

There is no agreed definition of what is a race.

ROFLMAO. Yeah I know. Just like gender.

Who “trains” people to actually be Marxists?

No one. Plenty of people study Marxist philosophy though. It doesn't mean they are communists. If you read the question she was replying to then her answer makes sense. Picking out "We are trained Marxists" without context paints her words in a different light.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread. I'm off to study secret agendas so I can disagree with people but offer no evidence to back up my statements

No one. Plenty of people study Marxist philosophy though. It doesn't mean they are communists. If you read the question she was replying to then her answer makes sense. Picking out "We are trained Marxists" without context paints her words in a different light.

It was her phrase: “We are trained Marxists”.

You don’t need to pick it out. It jumps out.

You would struggle to come up with a context that even slightly alters the meaning. It isn’t capable of a neutral interpretation.

Ditto the very clear policy aim to “defund the police”.

These things are very clear and were very, very disappointing to a lot of people who thought BLM was a good, straightforward anti-racism campaigning organisation.

It’s quite hard to believe you’re as clueless about all this as you are presenting yourself to be.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread. I'm off to study secret agendas so I can disagree with people but offer no evidence to back up my statements

The "evidence" is staring you right in the face! You quoted some yourself. You've been given ideas and interpretations that others have and been told to go and look at them and interpret them for yourself. Apart from feeding you like a baby cuckoo in a nest I'm not sure what anyone else can do

It’s quite hard to believe you’re as clueless about all this as you are presenting yourself to be.

Indeed.

It’s quite hard to believe you’re as clueless about all this as you are presenting yourself to be.

Yes. I suspect they are not a good faith actor.

Hettia

Many will only see what they want to see and then only that which validates them.

@ElliFAntspoo
That isn't racism. Scottish people are not a different race from English people

Actually, yes they are. The Scottish are descended from the Celtic British population that inhabited the British Isles and Ireland before the Romans invaded. After the Romans left, the Angles invaded who were a tribe of Saxons (hence Anglo Saxon). The Angles then pushed the Britons westwards where they took refuge in the mountains of Scotland and Wales and in what is now Cornwall. Many fled to France and founded Brittany. After they’d taken over most of Britain, they named their lands Angle-Land and they were called the Aenglish. This over the next five hundred years got shortened to England and English.

But they are definitely different races, the DNA of a Scottish, Welsh, Irish and Cornish are distinguishable from the DNA of an English person.

@Mandalakia
When it's said that 'all white people are racist' it doesn't mean we all secretly hate ethnic minorities. It means that white people have been raised in a racist society, enjoyed the benefits of racism and white privilege. Let's face it, we DO benefit from racism every day of our lives.

I disagree. The statement itself in plain English means all white People are racist. If it meant something else, then the people saying that would have said something else. All that explaining, is really about trying to dig out of the hole of knowing it’s racist but not feeling able to challenge the person saying it as a racist- and they are. Probably due to the white guilt that you seem to be carrying. You don’t need to feel any guilt over what people who shared same skin colour as you have done. Just let it go. I have no feelings of guilt over what Chengis Khan did to white people. He killed every man, woman and child in entire cities and left all their heads in a pyramid pile on the rubble of their homes.

We can experience xenophobia. I live in rural France. I speak fluent French (professional translator and interpreter) and have been told to go home several times (usually in the context of a row with another driver).
I set up a shop in 2014. It's still known as the "English" shop. The locals won't come in. All the customers travel to get to the shop. Sometimes, locals look through the window when they think there's nobody there
So, it's not horrendous racism, but it has had an effect on me. I know what it's like to feel unwelcome. But, it's nothing to do with my face. Maybe my nationality. Or maybe just because I'm not from around here. They really hate Parisians!

Yes, xenophobia is the hatred of all foreigners regardless of race. However, if it’s hatred of certain select foreign ethnicities then it is likely to be racism.

When I say it’s majority a white people problem... I mean as in primarily them causing it and them to sort it! Not that they mostly suffer from it, I meant the opposite!

I did get racist abuse abroad once too. But as I said above, in the UK it’s like 99.99% directed by white people to other people

@PlanDeRaccordement

The racial bias (racism) related to prosecutions in the UK is important to consider. Just because BAME people are prosecuted for any crime more than white people, it does not mean they are actually committing them more.

The justice system in the UK is racist.

@PlanDeRaccordement

"You don’t need to feel any guilt over what people who shared same skin colour as you have done. Just let it go."

To continue to benefit from racism, knowingly and to do nothing about it is heinous.